JTH's Account Talk

Re: What's so hot?

What's so hot and/or good grasping about those moves? IMO, it remains to be seen:

Were the leaders who properly picked F-fund chopped liver? Frankly - I'm half inclined to follow them into F to start out february, rather than hope for some sharp V in S (or I). In fact, it's starting to look like an inverted teacup handle instead of a right shoulder.
It just looks like the leaders are in the F fund because everybody in the F fund has gone to the top because the F fund ruled in January. It's too early in the trading season to really tell. The S fund could have went up 2 1/2% just as easily. Who knew about emerging markets and more tapering even with lower hiring for jobs because of weather. This year sale the news rules. JMHO
 
i'm up for the ride, do i get to be thelma or louise?

i don't like the late turn the market took on friday, it looks like over the cliff for sure now.

in that case i want to be louise, geena davis is smart and hot, i'd rather be with her than be her. besides, i don't think i could handle susan sarandon on top of me all jumbled up in the sand at the bottom of a cliff.
 
JTH, obviously you think short turn bounce will happen (100% S). Seems like tech fellows like yerself hedge with tech analysis (duh). Does not seem as much like gambling (Vegas with bad odds) when i see your graphs and dialogue that makes sense. Yet do you bias with emotion at all (yer human not a machine). My last several years with TSP have lead to bad choices by emotion, and yet i continue to do so... any thoughts

I do think a short-term bounce will happen, but I'm also prepared to absorb some pain and get out if it doesn't happen, thereby taking a loss on the trade. When I first started here I thought the S&P 500 was a stock car race, trading with emotion was the norm and if you were lucky, it went your way, but back then we had unlimited IFTs so there were multiple opportunities to make money within any given timeframe. At some point in time the majority of us will get caught up with an emotional trade, some of this stems from how we were raised to handle money. Growing up I did not have a money management foundation to build from, so I had to learn my lessons the hard way. The best way to counteract emotion is with education, experience and discipline.

Education through reading, reading, reading, experience though the application of your education and discipline to apply a set of constraints for your education & experience to work within. These three fundamentals have a synergistic effect on the outcome of what makes up the investor. We are only as strong as the weakest of these three components. One of the most important things I do before I make a trade is ask myself "Why am I making the trade, and what will I do if the trade doesn't go my way?" Another saying I like is "Be wrong and move on" hope is a 4-letter word and if you're hoping the trade is going to work out, it's probably already past the time you should have made the exit, or accepted that you will be stuck in that trade for a long time.

Amoeba, I made my trade based off of a variety of principles...

There were long candlestick tails throughout the major indexes, hinting that the bulls were controlling prices.
The Transports (often an Index that leads the markets) were in the green at the time of the IFT (they did close down -.18% but that's not bad.)
I had a 1.73% edge over the S-Fund (I took an entry into the markets when SPX had already pulled back 3.19%)
On many indexes we've spent an abnormal amount of time outside of the bottom (20, 2) bollinger band.
One of my systems had triggered a partial buy on the 27th & 29th.
Another one of my systems had triggered a buy on the 27th.
We are at the bottom of a 14 month parallel price channel (see chart below.)
Historically, following a weak week 3, weeks 4 & 5 are strong (we are already behind on the curve.)
Lastly, it's the end of the month and I still had 1 IFT, if Monday is strong, then I can pull out, take the gain and still jump back in later in the month. If the markets are weak, I can either get out or stick it out until the 1770 key level breaks, at which point I may jump back in at 1740, riding the markets back up to 1780-1810.

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I do think a short-term bounce will happen, but I'm also prepared to absorb some pain and get out if it doesn't happen, thereby taking a loss on the trade. When I first started here I thought the S&P 500 was a stock car race, trading with emotion was the norm and if you were lucky, it went your way, but back then we had unlimited IFTs so there were multiple opportunities to make money within any given timeframe. At some point in time the majority of us will get caught up with an emotional trade, some of this stems from how we were raised to handle money. Growing up I did not have a money management foundation to build from, so I had to learn my lessons the hard way. The best way to counteract emotion is with education, experience and discipline.

Education through reading, reading, reading, experience though the application of your education and discipline to apply a set of constraints for your education & experience to work within. These three fundamentals have a synergistic effect on the outcome of what makes up the investor. We are only as strong as the weakest of these three components. One of the most important things I do before I make a trade is ask myself "Why am I making the trade, and what will I do if the trade doesn't go my way?" Another saying I like is "Be wrong and move on" hope is a 4-letter word and if you're hoping the trade is going to work out, it's probably already past the time you should have made the exit, or accepted that you will be stuck in that trade for a long time.

Amoeba, I made my trade based off of a variety of principles...

There were long candlestick tails throughout the major indexes, hinting that the bulls were controlling prices.
The Transports (often an Index that leads the markets) were in the green at the time of the IFT (they did close down -.18% but that's not bad.)
I had a 1.73% edge over the S-Fund (I took an entry into the markets when SPX had already pulled back 3.19%)
On many indexes we've spent an abnormal amount of time outside of the bottom (20, 2) bollinger band.
One of my systems had triggered a partial buy on the 27th & 29th.
Another one of my systems had triggered a buy on the 27th.
We are at the bottom of a 14 month parallel price channel (see chart below.)
Historically, following a weak week 3, weeks 4 & 5 are strong (we are already behind on the curve.)
Lastly, it's the end of the month and I still had 1 IFT, if Monday is strong, then I can pull out, take the gain and still jump back in later in the month. If the markets are weak, I can either get out or stick it out until the 1770 key level breaks, at which point I may jump back in at 1740, riding the markets back up to 1780-1810.

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JT, From experience you know you are not going to time the market perfectly every trade. We only have 1 transaction a month to enter the market unless you enter the first part of the month invested, which will allow you to get out and then back in. Since we have such restriction with TSP my strategy is like yours. I like to be invested going into the month. Your charts and knowledge of the market are great and if you stick to your strategy, you will come out on top. I'm hoping for a VERA/VSIP offer this year. If I am offered one I will roll my money out of TSP where I will have unlimited IFT's. Using your stategy can make you big money when we have volitility in the market. I even did great with TSP when we had unlimited trades. I feel that we will have a short term bounce unless there is more problems in the EM. I am ready to exit if that occurs. Another negative to the TSP is you get the end of trading day entry and exit prices. Best of luck to those that are in equities.
 

Thanks for the analysis..and especially the chart. I lose sight of the intermediate/long due to the short ranges I usually look at. I hope that you are right on the short term bounce still. I thought it was underway on Thursday...when that broke down I lost a lot of confidence in the bulls continuing.
 
JTH is an inverted cup and handle bearish and is this one?:worried:

I wouldn't call it a Cup & Handle, although the "in the sprit of" characteristics are certianly there. I would estimate it would have the same price objective as the Bear Flag. It looks like I missed the opportunity by 1 day, too bad, I would have loved to buy this price action today!
 
Well since I moved to the F-Fund today you folks will make some serious hay in C&S the rest of the week. It's just the way it goes... :-(

I was in the F and made it up to +0.58% then went 25/25 in C&S in mid Jan. Bumped up to 60% S COB last Friday looking for a bounce today, and got it in the chops.

So I stopped out not wanting to go beyond ~-2% down for the year.

This market is in trouble and maybe, just maybe Janet should think about firing up the presses to full QE

-Geaux
 
Well since I moved to the F-Fund today you folks will make some serious hay in C&S the rest of the week. It's just the way it goes... :-(

I was in the F and made it up to +0.58% then went 25/25 in C&S in mid Jan. Bumped up to 60% S COB last Friday looking for a bounce today, and got it in the chops.

So I stopped out not wanting to go beyond ~-2% down for the year.

This market is in trouble and maybe, just maybe Janet should think about firing up the presses to full QE

-Geaux

You can always make money whether the market is up or down, you just have to be on the right side of the trade. I remember waiting for a correction last year that never came, end up not making as much as I like because of paranoia
 
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Holy crapola batman this is awesome!!!
Batman can fly outa this free-fall though. Autotracker will look interesting this eve- lookin' up at the G-Fund will have new meaning. Was that a flushing sound i just heard?
 
Looks like a inverted toilet bowl without a handle; and you know what happens when you have one of those.

I see possible support at 1,650-1,700 range at the most.
 
1740 stands a fair chance of holding, Im more concerned with the potential for a downward sloping H&S....

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I agree JTH. IMO, we have more downside in the cards after a brief rebound. It's going to take some time for the market to get over the QE withdrawals and with every little bit of bad news comes the haymaker.

Hope its not a bottomless pit...

Regardless, I have another IFT loaded for the moon shot but will make it to the party a day or so late. :D

-Geaux
 
ROTH IRA progress report. :cool:

I'm currently 28.02% in Large Caps (GE) / 18.02% in Mid Caps (SNV) / 28.75% in Small Caps (TNA) and 25.02% Cash. That's a bit heavier than I'd like to be at these levels, but some of those positions were taken recently.

- Stopped out on ALU over 3 positions for an overall -10% loss.
- Still holding GE over 3 positions, down -8.34% w/stop @ 24.03 Since GE is a dividend paying large cap, I may just hold it, but that would go against the rules I setup.
- Still holding TNA, 3rd position triggered today @ 65.84 (the mental-stop price triggered @ 63.85) I'm down -9.76% if I place the stop, it could easily trigger tomorrow.
- Still holding SNV over 2 positions @ 3.45 & 3.21 currently down -5.35%

This may just be the worst start I've ever had. Setting rules with position sizing is not an easy thing to do when the trades aren't going your way. If my trades were going well, I'd be telling you how awesome I was and trying to sell you the t-shirt :D Still, the stops are in place to protect the bulk of the account, in this perspective I am doing well (judging the depth of the pullback's speed, not so much.)

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If we should get a bounce, what would the price target be? I'm looking for the exit. I definitely think we will get more selling. Margin levels are too high and there will be margin calls eventually. I'm only down 2% but it feels like 10%. After Fri. close I felt we had more downside but I didn't feel it would fall this fast. I guess good news is bad news and bad news is bad news. It's time to re-group. Thanks
 
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