Griffin Account Talk

It is the irony of the moment that China and the Arabian Peninsula, neither of them particularly fond of the United States, are trapped into stabilizing the United States. And, so far, they are doing a fine job.

Unfortunately neither one of them is nearly "as trapped" as we may like to think. China fuels our economy because they only get richer and richer as a result. But Oil is a global "gold mine" and China could easily out buy essentially every available drop - especially by letting our economy collapse. We are expecting some economies to essentially merge in an effort to better compete with China in the fairly near future - but that should be years off - and so for now things will move on merrily, in a rosey world where everything seems just right.
 
If your looking at the decision tree

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You have to say "it's time to punch out"

However, the pattern we are seeing is similar to what we saw after the last correction, where we had a couple very substantial sudden sell-offs from overbought conditions. These were short lived and the upward momentum continued.

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When you look at the volume/accumulation pattern of the last five days, you can clearly see that last thursday, friday and this monday were typical days, but yesterday and today both show clear divergences, which were accompanied by the rapid downturns - they are the big boys hissy fits.

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It seems reasonable that we could see the losses of the last two days disappear in a normal volume trades over the next couple of days. The big boys have made their point, it's time to move on. My hypothesis is that 1490 was only broken as a result of the actions of this rampage and under normal circumstances we will see the upward trend return.

We have all morning to see if that is the case. Unfortunately for me, I will be traveling and I am not sure if I will be able to react accordingly. If I can, I will move out if 1490 appears to act as resistance, otherwise I am still looking for my exit point at 1530.
 
Hmmmm, well it looks like 1490 was the magic number today, or did I look at the chart crooked?

Should we have gotten out today?

GGAL
 
Dear,

That's been the $200K question - we won't know until tomorrow morning but we did close slightly above the 200 dma - that's a positive sign. These two big pushes down are in a class of those really bizarre events that makes you question it's validity.

Think of it like this, the big boys want to make Bernake look like a jacka$$, so they know there are critical levels that will filter into those emotionless equations that comprise the quants. They want to trip the quants into selling - but ultimately, there are human beings that make the decision about the quants and quite frankly, they aren't buying this BS. They also recognize that this kind of market manipulation has been successful in the past - that's why all the OSM's are holding steady. There doing the same thing I am - waiting for the true face of this market to be revealed once we strip away the silicone and smoke screens of the lies of the past 36 hours.

My point is "no" you should have stayed in - if you got spooked - that's what the big boys wanted - to trip up the quants and the little people.

Hmmmm, well it looks like 1490 was the magic number today, or did I look at the chart crooked?

Should we have gotten out today?

GGAL
 
That scenario is not as far-fetched as some might think.

Thanks. Some may think I'm delusional - but the fact is the US is trillions of dollars in debt - hummmm who are we in debt to???? Who has the surplus to match our debt??? Who is really behind the constant lending (buying our Bonds and Securities) to keep us going??? And last but not least - where is most of this money going (cheap imports) to keep everything stable. They are definately in a WIN WIN situation. We like to think of ourselves as the richest country in the world - but who is in debt and who has the surplus - who is excessively rich and who is desperately poor???
 
My 2 cents, as someone who works in international trade, up to you if it's really copper or just copper coated zinc.:p

Actually, in controlling currency by buying up $ (China) and using a dollar denominated benchmark for pricing oil (OPEC - Sweet Crude), the oil rich nations, China, and also Japan (who also bought up $ to control their currency), all three groups are awash in dollars. The budget deficit means that there are more treasury bonds and other $ denominated debt instruments out there. Trade deficit puts $ into importing economies. Fed interest rate changes means printing more $, putting downward pressure on the $'s value.

With all these $'s, gotta buy something, and why not something with a AAA rating with a high return. Sounded good, at the time, and now overseas banks and even provincial governments are stuck holding SIV's. Another choice is to invest in/buy other strong currencies, which often means the Euro (which makes the Euro go up). But the foreign investors/governments have to buy up quietly, because they have too many of these falling $ and can't afford for it to crash, and the Europeans are getting a bit unhappy with their currency being the latest craze.:cheesy: But there's evidence the oil-rich countries are buying up Euros, and they may want a change in the basis of the valuation.

So in the short term, a crash of the $ is unlikely, because everyone around the world with $ holdings is going to lose. There is a chance of it crashing if a couple other things go drastically wrong with the world economy, or someone panics and drops all their $'s but that's in no one's interest.

In the long term, trust in the $ has taken a big hit, and there is a chance that currency exchange rates and oil prices will be based on a basket of currencies rather than the $. I'm hoping we don't go to gold, simply because there are other uses for gold besides jewelery and currency. Having the price of electronics and other gold-using manufacturing fluctuating due to currency issues, and using a commodity with large reserves in some rather...unsavory countries...will only exchange one problem for another.
 
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I'm moving to the F and following the decision tree. Looks like the big boys will get there way.

It works for me Griffin, I'm tired of being beat up this week anyway, by the Street trying to show Ben how tough they are.:mad:

It'll give me a day, at least to lick my wounds.

CB
 
My 2 cents, as someone who works in international trade, up to you if it's really copper or just copper coated zinc.:p

Actually, in controlling currency by buying up $ (China) and using a dollar denominated benchmark for pricing oil (OPEC - Sweet Crude), the oil rich nations, China, and also Japan (who also bought up $ to control their currency), all three groups are awash in dollars. The budget deficit means that there are more treasury bonds and other $ denominated debt instruments out there. Trade deficit puts $ into importing economies. Fed interest rate changes means printing more $, putting downward pressure on the $'s value.

With all these $'s, gotta buy something, and why not something with a AAA rating with a high return. Sounded good, at the time, and now overseas banks and even provincial governments are stuck holding SIV's. Another choice is to invest in/buy other strong currencies, which often means the Euro (which makes the Euro go up). But the foreign investors/governments have to buy up quietly, because they have too many of these falling $ and can't afford for it to crash, and the Europeans are getting a bit unhappy with their currency being the latest craze.:cheesy:

So in the short term, a crash of the $ is unlikely, because everyone around the world with $ holdings is going to lose. There is a chance of it crashing if a couple other things go drastically wrong with the world economy, or someone panics and drops all their $'s but that's in no one's interest.

In the long term, trust in the $ has taken a big hit, and there is a chance that currency exchange rates will be based on a basket of currencies rather than the $. I'm hoping we don't go to gold, simply because there are other uses for gold besides jewelery and currency. Having the price of electronics and other gold-using manufacturing fluctuating due to currency issues, and using a commodity with large reserves in some rather...unsavory countries...will only exchange one problem for another.


WOW!! I'm impressed. Very well put - Thank you.
 
Griff, I decided to stay in. I felt your first/initial thoughts, seemed the most valid. That combined with, other technical analysis, factors (& 12% call -at 11:24 am), I decided to hold on. I'm hoping the 2yr olds(bankers) have gotten over their tantrum now, today, and last 2-days bizzare events end, returning now to more normal seasonal conditions tomorrow.) But I wanted to say thanks, because in weighing your advice below, with other analyses, seemed to make the best sense to me! Suppose I'll have to see what tomorrow brings! Either way, its my decision, but wanted to say thanks for the below perspective! Overall, I'm positive about my decision (again either way).:D
VR!!
The $200K question - but we did close slightly above the 200 dma - that's a positive sign. These two big pushes down are in a class of those really bizarre events that makes you question it's validity.

Think of it like this, the big boys want to make Bernake look like a jacka$$, so they know there are critical levels that will filter into those emotionless equations that comprise the quants. They want to trip the quants into selling - but ultimately, there are human beings that make the decision about the quants and quite frankly, they aren't buying this BS. They also recognize that this kind of market manipulation has been successful in the past - that's why all the OSM's are holding steady. There doing the same thing I am - waiting for the true face of this market to be revealed once we strip away the silicone and smoke screens of the lies of the past 36 hours.

My point is "no" you should have stayed in - if you got spooked - that's what the big boys wanted - to trip up the quants and the little people.
 
Hessian,
I don't care if I sound like a darn copycat, I am still behind you!
Airlift, Thanks, I really appreciate the sentiments, but w/o Griff, I can't say I'd have had perspective that I needed. I'd like to see Griff get the credit for for this one, for the larger perspective - that helped keep me focused! :)
VR - (and GL to us all).
 
We had a relatively normal trading day yesterday which included a sell-off and remarkable recovery. That tripped my decision tree and I moved to the F-fund. I was traveling and I posted my IFT to my account but I did not have my autotracker password so I was unable to post it in that system. I apologize if I tripped anyone up.

The futures keeping bobbing above and below 1490 and the picture is still unclear. The futures are reacting to the CPI numbers which came in above the Fed's comfort level.

Greenspan's interview will air today and it sounds like it's going to be fairly dour. The word of the day is going to be stagflation, and despite the end of day rally yesterday, the S&P is still below 1490. At this stage of the game, I am starting to look for a retest of the bottom of the five year channel, round to the nearest "ten" at about 1410.

If we break below that, I believe we will have successfully seen the creation of a head and shoulders reversal pattern, and I would expect the market to shed 20% over the next few months. The stakes in that game are way to big to play onsie's, twosie's with IFTs and the F-fund will become the default position of choice.

Greenspan is going to talk about stall speed - and like any stall - the only way to get out of it, is to turn your plane into a nose dive, in order to build up enough airspeed to regain control. That's obviously a metaphor but there is some truth.

Despite what should be some holiday cheer and end of year window dressing, Nostro-greenspan-damas may paint a self fulfilling prophecy of doom.
 
Griffin,
Do you think the 1460 area is still a major area to watch? If we stay above that the short term rising channel is intact. What is your opinion? Thanks
 
Despite what should be some holiday cheer and end of year window dressing, Nostro-greenspan-damas may paint a self fulfilling prophecy of doom.
Luckily, it appears Greenspan is getting less attention than before, I suspect personally it's because he's turning into "Captain Obvious". Yes, Captain, there is a problem, and what's being done now isn't going to make the problem disappear. I don't need a former Fed Chairman to tell me that. How about...something constructive!:eek: what a concept!
 
Griffin,
Do you think the 1460 area is still a major area to watch? If we stay above that the short term rising channel is intact. What is your opinion? Thanks

I'll certainly look at it before I go into next weeks decision tree. Today my attention is focused on resistance at 1490. If 1470 collapses as support, I am more inclined to believe we will fill the gap at 1430 then see any significant support at 1460.

Luckily, it appears Greenspan is getting less attention than before, I suspect personally it's because he's turning into "Captain Obvious". Yes, Captain, there is a problem, and what's being done now isn't going to make the problem disappear. I don't need a former Fed Chairman to tell me that. How about...something constructive!:eek: what a concept!

That's a darn good point. It's amazing that he is now the master of the obvious and speaks in clear concise terms. Now that his bankroll is on the speaking tour - he's talking to Joe Sixpack - a much wider audience.
 
If 1470 collapses as support

I can't determine if it hold or collapsed.

z
 
There was a close at 1468. It would be called a close call by different analyst's. Support did fail at the 1470 level. ;)

It's hard to say what the weekend will do to investors, maybe they'll load up on the egg-nog and go holiday shopping crazy come monday.....hmmmm.....I doubt it. :)

What is interesting is that we did not slip below that level until the last few minutes of trading on a Friday, that has me a bit suspicious. Did the market manipulators want to send investors into the weekend on edge with this very question on their mind?

I don't think those last few minutes really meant anything that wasn't clear at the opening bell. Next week brings us housing numbers, industrial growth and more insight on inflation. At this stage of the game, if the numbers come in on expectations, then the best thing you'll be able to say is "the economy is really not in that bad of shape" - not exactly words to inspire market madness. :) The other side of that coin is far worse.

It's not a pretty picture, except bonds should be set up for a nice pop on Monday.

Keep thinking big picture - the bottom of the five year channel - it's the force - it surrounds us and binds the galaxy together.
 
Can you explain your reasons for having the C fund in your decision tree instead of S fund? (I think I fund is out because of the rising dollar and also because of the unpredictability of the FV, right?)

Seems like I'm seeing a trend After a correction, many experienced traders seem to first seek out the C fund. I didn't see that the data shows the C fund rising more quickly after a correction but then maybe I'm not looking carefully enough. (But it IS rising a little higher than S fund today as I write this, is this more than luck?)

Any insight would be appreciated.
 
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