GOV Shutdown or not?

[WorkFE]

Burro,
4 axle Internationals. Work Horses
Kidding about needing help. My crew would mutiny. They have stuck with us through thick and thin. We are lucky to have them. Of course it is amazing the type employees you have when you treat them right.

 

[James48843]

Virginia Congressman warns shutdown could last a month or more:

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=47550&oref=todaysnews

 

[JTH]

May have to cook some crow stew tonight, just in case I told my wife to be prepared, she's pissed!

 

[FAB1]

I dont know about your agencies/offices but here they are telling us if the Gov shutdown happens we have to report Monday for 4 hours to fill out paperwork??

Is it the usual procedure Gov-wide??

 

[jpcavin]

I dont know about your agencies/offices but here they are telling us if the Gov shutdown happens we have to report Monday for 4 hours to fill out paperwork??

Is it the usual procedure Gov-wide??

That's what I read on all the circulars...that we come in to shutdown. We were just told (5 minutes ago) to come in to either work or shutdown. We will find out which on Monday.

 

[Silverbird]

When two sides meet and no one will compromise, the Kabuki dance begins. This is not a negotiation anymore, it's simply a pose dance. No one's clapping anymore, however, it's getting old.

Contrary to popular belief, declaration of war, or cutoff of a negotiation, does not mean that negotiation is useless. But sometimes when you are negotiating, you realize neither side is going anywhere. At that point, it's time to leave the table, and let everyone stew for a while.

It's time to call the bluff. I'm waiting to see what Wall Street does with no employment numbers, no GDP calculations, and no one can get a passport or visa. :toung: It isn't "essential", folks. But it sure is hard to steer your boat without any directions, and you literally can't get anywhere.

EEK, come in Monday? My commuter buses don't leave until mid-afternoon. Now that stinks. What am I supposed to do, the local Borders is closed, and I don't want to sit in Starbucks all afternoon.

 

[nasa1974]

I dont know about your agencies/offices but here they are telling us if the Gov shutdown happens we have to report Monday for 4 hours to fill out paperwork??

Is it the usual procedure Gov-wide??

Here also. We have to be in around 8am to sign an SF-8, some kind of roster and get our official furlough documents. Have to be out between 10:30 and 12:30 before security throws us out. WHAT EVER!!

 

[James48843]

I dont know about your agencies/offices but here they are telling us if the Gov shutdown happens we have to report Monday for 4 hours to fill out paperwork??

Is it the usual procedure Gov-wide??

I posted this last night-

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/memoranda/2011/m11-13.pdf

In it , are the instructions to agencies on how to do the shutdown.

They are required to tell each and every employee, by the close of business today, whether the person is furloughed or not.


Then, on Monday, they can take up to four hours, if needed, to get people to come in and turn in equipment, or sign whatever needs to be signed, and do whatever it takes to turn off the lights.

A lot of good information is in that link. Read it and you'll see what the plan is.
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Good luck.

 

[Frixxxx]

I have been told that I am an "EXCEPTED" employee. I will be working as usual, "except" I don't know when I will be paid.

I wonder if I can get the gas station to accept government I.O.U.s

 

[bkdaaa]

A theory (or perhaps call it a rant):
Why is the Administration so deadset against a shutdown? Why? Because, what would happen to Wall Street? - without the PPT, or POMO, or whatever you want to call that behind-the-scenes gov't group(s), that nudge the futures overnight, and in late days (when volume allows)? :blink:
Why else would such a fractional amount as 33 billion, even 100B be such a big deal, given the size of the U.S. debt?
Its not an about arguement whether to maintain pay for the Military, as "they" now are making it sound - they'll give our Country's best their due! - that's absurd.
But its rather about - let's not harm the "recovery" - oh no! Let's not harm the current market rally, the "recovering" Housing Market, Fannie/Freddie, and so on.. ...and on ...and on! All the rest is just smoke and obscurants - in a word ...:worried: :nuts:

Oh, I went thru the Clinton shutdown, and everyone will likely get paid retroactive, whether you worked or not, just like back then. So there's really only one big downside for the 33B (I suggest its the above).

If you calculate it at 60BN, it is 0% of the budget, actually 0.475% or so. All I know is that if I had not done my job since September of last year, I would not be on the news talking about it. I would be going down to stand in line and get my unemployment check. I think the politicos need to leave the fantasy land they are living in and return to reality.

 

[Scrappy]

I have been told that I am an "EXCEPTED" employee. I will be working as usual, "except" I don't know when I will be paid.

I wonder if I can get the gas station to accept government I.O.U.s

http://www.hark.com/clips/bbdwcpzpsg-thats-as-good-as-money-sir-those-are-ious

 

[jpcavin]

All

Were starting to see the effects of the shutdown in our office. At least on the reserve side. Our office is getting flooded with phone calls from reservists because their LES is reflecting a debt. (Reservists don't get one LES at the end of the month like active duty)

As you know, or may not know. Reservists on Annual Training orders are paid up through the 15th if their orders take them past or up to the 15th. What DFAS is doing is taking back any pay past the 8th. I suppose it will be the same for active duty except they won't have an LES to look at until the end of the month.

I thought since the pay cutoff for the 15th was on the 6th, that everyone would get paid through the 15th. I guess not. Long arm of the government at work.

 

[Frixxxx]

All

Were starting to see the effects of the shutdown in our office. At least on the reserve side. Our office is getting flooded with phone calls from reservists because their LES is reflecting a debt. (Reservists don't get one LES at the end of the month like active duty)

JP,

As a reservist, thanks for your support.

I was just explaining that since my weekend got cancelled, I would be showing debts for insurance and allotments.

Keep up the great work....

 

[James48843]

Official furlough count lists starting to roll in:

See it agency by agency:

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=47552&oref=todaysnews


An extract:

Education: 4,150 workers out of 4,465 full- and part-time employees would be furloughed.


Energy: No furloughs in the short term.

General Services Administration: 11,298 workers out of 12,697 employees would be furloughed.

Health and Human Services: 47,693 workers departmentwide would be furloughed.

Interior: From 52,000 to 55,000 out of 68,900 total employees would be furloughed.

Small Business Administration: 2,102 out of 3,230 employees would be furloughed.

Labor:14,449 out of 16,099 workers would be furloughed.


Social Security Administration: 20,846 employees out of 68,028 would be furloughed.

Transportation: 17,870 workers out of 58,011 would be furloughed.

More at that link above.

 

[Steel_Magnolia]

When two sides meet and no one will compromise, the Kabuki dance begins. This is not a negotiation anymore, it's simply a pose dance. No one's clapping anymore, however, it's getting old.
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This is the picture and lead paragraph on CNN. I agree with you, SB, as usual.

And in '95 when we went through this for 3 weeks our agencies set up a phone line with recorded updates on whether to report to work or not the following day. Now with today's technology, I would hope they set up a web pages as well.
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[jpcavin]

JP,

As a reservist, thanks for your support.

I was just explaining that since my weekend got cancelled, I would be showing debts for insurance and allotments.

Keep up the great work....

Thanks Frixxx. I understood what you were saying. However, my post had nothing to do with what you posted. I was merely reporting "live" as we see it happening...I work in a Pay and Personnel Office(Navy)...S1 for Marines...not sure what the other branches call it.

 

[Christopher]

Please don't hold it against us - we account for and manage funding for the Armed Services. We don't "make the rules" on pay, we just follow them...

What DFAS is doing is taking back any pay past the 8th.

 

[jpcavin]

Please don't hold it against us - we account for and manage funding for the Armed Services. We don't "make the rules" on pay, we just follow them...

Please don't be so literal. Of course you are doing what you are told to do. I never said and I belief it's widely understood that it's not DFAS making the call.

 

[James48843]

It's not about the money.

Government Shutdown Threatened By Republicans Over Planned Parenthood


WASHINGTON -- The United States government is on the verge of shutting down over a dispute about subsidized pap smears, according to sources familiar with the budget negotiations.

The White House and Senate Democrats have publicly capitulated to ever-increasing Republican demands for spending cuts, but negotiations over the budget for the remainder of the fiscal year have shifted their focus from money to so-called riders -- provisions that restrict the federal government from spending money on certain projects or entities.

Riders are used by members of Congress to make social policy without going through the regular congressional committee process, or they are used to benefit business interests by specifically blocking the government from spending money to write or enforce certain regulations.

At a late-night White House meeting between the president and key congressional leaders, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) made clear that his conference would not approve funding for the government if any money were allowed to flow to Planned Parenthood through legislation known as Title X. "This comes down to women's health issues related to Title X," a person in the meeting told HuffPost.

More:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/government-shutdown-planned-parenthood_n_846463.html

 

[nnuut]

Oh by the way, when I voted I accidentally selected NO and as you know wanted to vote yes! Give one more for YES and subtract one from NO!
What a dummy!:embarrest: