ContrarianJeff's Account Talk

I think you have one of the top TSP investing strategies and I trust your postings as Honest and that puts you on my Very short list of participants I track. Job well done and keep it up!!! In my book, you came in 1[SUP]st[/SUP] place!!! Happy New Year!!! :cool::cool:
 
Love your simple investment strategy, Jeff. Your results speak for themselves. Well done! Best wishes for a great 2012...

John Ross
 
Good question. I call myself a contrarian because I've found that going against the sentiment of the crowd usually outperforms the market (especially at extremes). That's the contrarian part. But I've also found that long-term momentum--either up or down--is very strong. That's why I don't like going against the long-term direction of the market for too long. So, the ideal situation is a bull market as indicated by a rising 200dma (especially one that is not too long in the tooth) coupled with very bearish sentiment (in other words, people are freaking out). Ironically though, the most "violent" bullish days almost always come in the context of a bear market. There is no doubt that it's tough emotionally to be sitting in cash and while watching the markets shoot up 3% or 4% in a day, as has happened in the past few weeks.

Hello Jeff,
Do you have a favorite survey or surveys that you use to measure sentiment?

Thanks
HT
 
Hello Jeff,
Do you have a favorite survey or surveys that you use to measure sentiment?

Thanks
HT

Hey HT--Yes, I look at a variety of surveys and indicators to measure investor sentiment. But it's not an exact science by any stretch. I watch the AAII survey (which I saw is very bullish today), various put/call ratios, the sentiment survey here, various consumer sentiment surveys, Mark Hulbert's articles on sentiment found at Marketwatch, some of the writers at Minyanville who discuss sentiment, etc. I also try to get a feel for what the media (both general and financial) are saying about the markets. Reading the headlines of articles can help there.

The difficult part is that people are naturally drawn to investors/gurus/writers who support their view. That makes it hard because I don't want to get entrenched or emotionally attached to a bullish or bearish position. In other words, if I'm bearish, then I will have a tendency to listen to people who are also bearish, and I'll poo-poo the bulls. (And the opposite is true, of course.) To counteract that, I try to read a decent amount of articles that disagree with my outlook.

The key for me is to do my best, stay humble, and try not to get emotional. I realize that I'm going to be wrong a LOT of the time--so it shouldn't surprise me when I'm bullish and the market tanks, or when I'm sitting in cash and the market spikes. Also--big picture: money is nice, but it can quickly become an idol that enslaves you. It can never satisfy. Trying to build your life on making money leads to hellish misery. (I speak from experience.) That was a lot more than you asked for, wasn't it!
 
Hey HT--Yes, I look at a variety of surveys and indicators to measure investor sentiment. But it's not an exact science by any stretch. I watch the AAII survey (which I saw is very bullish today), various put/call ratios, the sentiment survey here, various consumer sentiment surveys, Mark Hulbert's articles on sentiment found at Marketwatch, some of the writers at Minyanville who discuss sentiment, etc. I also try to get a feel for what the media (both general and financial) are saying about the markets. Reading the headlines of articles can help there.

The difficult part is that people are naturally drawn to investors/gurus/writers who support their view. That makes it hard because I don't want to get entrenched or emotionally attached to a bullish or bearish position. In other words, if I'm bearish, then I will have a tendency to listen to people who are also bearish, and I'll poo-poo the bulls. (And the opposite is true, of course.) To counteract that, I try to read a decent amount of articles that disagree with my outlook.

The key for me is to do my best, stay humble, and try not to get emotional. I realize that I'm going to be wrong a LOT of the time--so it shouldn't surprise me when I'm bullish and the market tanks, or when I'm sitting in cash and the market spikes. Also--big picture: money is nice, but it can quickly become an idol that enslaves you. It can never satisfy. Trying to build your life on making money leads to hellish misery. (I speak from experience.) That was a lot more than you asked for, wasn't it!

Thanks, Jeff. Yep, that was a lot of really useful info! Thanks for taking the time to write all of that.

HT
 
I can't sit on the sidelines anymore. 50% S, 25% I and C.

Jeff, are your predictors getting close to having you make an IFT?
 
Oh Contraire

Oh Contraire, oh Contraire,
Let down your hair.

I see a smile forming on the 200 Day SMA.
I caught you smiling, again...

Are you ready to pull the trigger - or is it a bit early? I'm slowly bailing, but I have no system nor any skill. Just don't like to be fully invested in the summer...
 
For what it's worth, I'm moving out of the G and into 100% I fund. The I fund looks undervalued and I think the dollar is due for a pullback. I wouldn't be surprised if the markets move down some during the next week, but I don't want to take a chance in case we continue up. This appears to be a strong move and the SP is holding well above 1300. (I'm disappointed that I missed out on a move off the bottom. Oh well.) With respect to both sentiment and technical analysis, it appears that we are due for a bounce--I'm guessing an up wave that lasts 3 to 4 weeks. After that, who knows--this is a very dangerous market and nothing would surprise me at this point.
 
Oh Contraire, oh Contraire,
Let down your hair.

Oh, Juliet, that was a high risk move. I still think Europe will be very choppy, but Japan could pull the train along just fine.

Why not a blend of the equity funds? Do you see something especially ugly in the U.S. equities? Wish I wasn't 100% out of the 'I Fund'. That might be my big 2012 mistake. Oh well...
 
Hey Boghie--No, I don't see anything especially great about the I fund or bad about the U.S. markets. I just think the dollar is overbought and the I fund is really oversold. All the markets pretty much move together nowadays. If the markets revert to the mean, I'm hoping the I fund will shoot up a little higher. Having said all this, I'm extremely bearish long-term. Fundamentally, I think the world's economies are in really bad shape and I don't see how the Fed, ECB, sovereigns, anyone can keep us from heading down big time. I sure hope I'm wrong.
 
Another FWIW post (I'm trying to post my moves on the message board in case they may be of help to anyone). I'm moving 100% from I-fund to the G garage as of COB today. I'm thinking now that I should have left a little in the I-fund, but I'll stick with it. Hulbert's newsletter sentiment index is showing some slightly excessive bullishness. Also, the McClellan Oscillator is overbought. Obviously, neither of these means that the markets are going down. It would not surprise me if we grind higher. But I'm in a cash preservation mode right now, so I'll sit it out and see what unfolds next. Blessings!
 
I've flip-flopped on my previous bearish stance. I'm now thinking that although we may pull-back during earnings season, it looks like we're going to run higher. I don't want to be too cute trying to perfectly time my re-entry into the market (which I've done many times before), so I'm moving back to 100% I-fund as of COB today. This market is flat out strong as evidenced by the fact that the NYSE cumulative advance/decline line keeps powering higher. I may rethink this if the SP500 breaks below 1330 or so.
 
I guess I'll never be able to hold a lead on ContrarianJeff:p.
What is in the water where you live?

I am now thinking of migrating some of my G (earning me a massive $1.40 a day) to equities. Should have made my move earlier. Looking for a dip...
 
Ah, Boghie--we're basically tied. And on Monday, I'm sure the I fund will be crushed again. It's been down almost every Monday for 2 months.
My hope is that the dollar will continue to roll over--which will be great for all stocks, but especially the I fund.

A contrarian observation of the autotracker: lots of folks moved out of stocks and into cash/bonds after the big rally yesterday--hardly anyone moved from cash/bonds to stocks.
It's a small sample, and may mean nothing--but it also may indicate that there is still a lot of bearish sentiment out there, which is bullish. We'll see.
 
That will give me a chance to buy in. I don't like the 20% holdings in the 'G Fund'. I was waiting for a downturn or for summer to end. I always seem to get bored with conservative allocations in August - and that always hurts me.

Yowser, decisions, decisions...
 
Interesting that dozens and dozens of folks on the tracker have moved to the F or G in the past few days, and hardly anyone is jumping into stocks. The volume of penny stocks being traded is near a record low. Newsletters are not recommending their subscribers to buy into this market. These and other indicators show that people are not believing in this rally--despite the fact that the SP500 is near multi-year highs and technically looks healthy.
 
Interesting that dozens and dozens of folks on the tracker have moved to the F or G in the past few days, and hardly anyone is jumping into stocks. The volume of penny stocks being traded is near a record low. Newsletters are not recommending their subscribers to buy into this market. These and other indicators show that people are not believing in this rally--despite the fact that the SP500 is near multi-year highs and technically looks healthy.

I admit I was on that ship earlier, despite technical indicators screaming at me to buy since July 26. I kept thinking "August usually sucks for the market", which made me hold my cash. But I eventually reminded myself to trade the chart and stick to my strategy. I'm back in, so help me god haha.
 
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