Birchtree's Account Talk

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ACA CAPITAL now....who's next?..this whole thing stinks......cash is king..............frig stocks and bonds also.............not gonna be a pretty sight down the road......the pain is only beginning!
 
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Birchtree,

You are very lucky to have someone updating you every few minutes on market conditions.

The futures market just closed so that's it for today Dennis.

1265 in the S&P

1773 NAS

11586 DOW

Ben and Paulson are clueless.


I'm selling everything tomorrow at the open! Lucky I'm up around 45% since the start of the Bull in 2003 and your probably up over 60%. I guess you will hold untill we hit new highs again. The patience of buy and hold. No, I'm not selling now. Even in Bear Markets you have rallies. I should have sold everything weeks ago. By the way, my birthday is Oct 19, 1953 and I remember that sell-off, and the panic. I don't have any I Fund, but the C and S could also be very bad tomorrow. We could close down 500 points tomorrow in the DOW or up 100. Only the shadow knows for sure.

The dollar rally will really hurt the I Fund.

Take Care!


The Stock Market Crash of 1987

The Investment U e-Letter: Issue # 649
Friday, March 09, 2007

The Stock Market Crash of 1987… Timeless Investing Lessons from Black Monday and the Risk Appetite Index
by Alexander Green, Investment Director, The Oxford Club

On October 19, 1987, the Dow lost 22.6% of its value in a single session.

The cause of the stock market crash of 1987, know as Black Monday, is still debated. After all, no one was shot. No currency crashed. No government failed.

The market simply gapped down at the opening and - between the computer-driven program trades and individuals dumping shares "because everyone else was selling" - it didn't stop falling until more than $500 billion in equity value had been erased.

What Can Investors Learn From the 1987 Crash?

This was a sobering day for investors. It underscores the unpredictability of markets in the short-term. And it provides an object lesson for those wondering what the heck's been going on with the market over the past few weeks.

After all, the sudden selloff we witnessed last week wasn't caused by a blue-chip bankruptcy or a major hedge fund blowup. Instead, thousands of investors suddenly decided en masse to hit the exit, even though there have been no large-scale surprises concerning economic growth, interest rates or earnings.

While the initial drop on February 27th was a bit bracing, the market's decline has been orderly and prices (while volatile) have stabilized somewhat.

Still, this is a market to watch closely. Why? Because over the past few years, many investors around the world have grown increasingly cavalier about risk.

Just ask Jonathan Wilmot and the Appetite Risk Index…

Wilmot is a research analyst with Credit Suisse First Boston. And his "Risk Appetite Index" shows that global investors' speculative fever recently reached a 12-year high and is near the all-time high reached just before the stock market crash of 1987.

His index, a measurement of investors' willingness to put their capital "in the fire," is pretty ingenious. Wilmot examines the type of investments that investors currently favor - and extrapolates from that data whether they're feeling risk averse… or just the opposite.

Right now, it seems, many of them are content to take their hard-earned investment capital to the dog track.

Over the past four years investors have been increasing their exposure to growth stocks over value stocks, small-caps over large-caps, foreign markets over domestic markets, and emerging markets over developed markets. They've also been increasing their exposure to corporate bonds over government bonds and junk bonds over investment-grade bonds.

Add to this aggressive stance record volume in options and futures trading, blatant (and highly-leveraged) speculation in the real estate market, and the ardent desire for Mom and Pop to plunk a portion of their retirement money in someone's (anyone's) hedge fund and you have the Risk Appetite Index ringing like a fire alarm.

This is not good.

How to Put the 1987 Stock Market Crash Lessons Into Action Today

Does it mean you should cash in your chips and move to the sidelines? No.

But it's an excellent time for a gut check. For starters, that means remembering that stocks give the best return over the long haul because they often scare the bejesus out of investors in the short term.

Next you should make sure now that you're not taking more risk in your portfolio than you're comfortable with. That means diversifying beyond stocks into:

high-grade bonds,
inflation-adjusted Treasuries,
real estate investment trusts
and precious metals, for example.
Dividing your portfolio in different, non-correlated assets like these - and rebalancing annually - increases your annual returns and smoothes out the inevitable bumps along the way.

You should also run a trailing stop behind your individual stock positions. (More on this in a future column.) This protects both your profits and your principal. If you don't use a sell discipline, chances are you're merely wishin' and hopin' - and flying by the seat of your pants.

In short, your investment strategy should be implemented with an eye to not only maximizing returns but also limiting risk.

That doesn't mean retreating to the safety of cash. (After taxes and inflation, you'd be left with very little return.) But don't throw caution to the wind either, thinking only of your upside potential.

Because once a genuine market correction gets under way, it's generally too late to do anything terribly smart.

Or as legendary mutual fund manager Peter Lynch warned, "If you're gonna panic, do it early."

Good Investing,

Alex
 
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Ya, I surely appreciate the market updates - saves me a little work. Bring on the rain showers tomorrow because I'm simply sitting back and will be watching the pillars of civililization crumble as Rome burns. This is certainly panic time and I'm nowhere near that level in my emotional makeup. We are approaching scavenger time - get the wall flowers when they are being tossed into the streets. I say let the inexperienced panic their way to feeling better - I'm doing just fine holding on to my "holy grail" - this was designed as part of my plan to ride and survive any and all blind sides, so we'll see if it works. This nonsense won't be the last set of troubles attacking the markets and of course there will always be more bear markets - but the bulls will return and run even further than the last time. After all we've been through this many times before - even if I am the last man standing.
 
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Ya, I surely appreciate the market updates - saves me a little work. Bring on the rain showers tomorrow because I'm simply sitting back and will be watching the pillars of civililization crumble as Rome burns. This is certainly panic time and I'm nowhere near that level in my emotional makeup. We are approaching scavenger time - get the wall flowers when they are being tossed into the streets. I say let the inexperienced panic their way to feeling better - I'm doing just fine holding on to my "holy grail" - this was designed as part of my plan to ride and survive any and all blind sides, so we'll see if it works. This nonsense won't be the last set of troubles attacking the markets and of course there will always be more bear markets - but the bulls will return and run even further than the last time. After all we've been through this many times before - even if I am the last man standing.


Honestly, I think I understand Birchtree's trading style. It is very similar to my Mother's. My father was the controller of all his account's. He did not sell anything. It did not matter if it went down or up. He just kept accumulating shares. That is all he talked about and all I can remember. "I have 22700 shares of fidelity Magellan. He always got dividends along the way and he liked that. Well he died 11 year's ago when the Dow Jones was at 7800. I talked to my mother today and it is not like I have not tried to talk to her about this before about the stock market as in You should at least talk to your broker. She does not want to hear about this. She wants to be blindsided, It is the only way she knows. She Tell's me about how past recession's have been and the market always goes back up. Obviously we know this from past experience but I was just trying to get her out and then buy back in later.

I can tell you now, I know she has taken a hit for at least 250,000 in equity but there is nothing I can say to her that doesn't get her really riled up and does not want to talk about it. Period.....


I think Birctree is the same way. He somehow has been taught, Only accumulate shares and never sell. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but Birch, This is really Bad and none of your indicator's has gotten you out of this devastation.

When in your mind would be "Enough is Enough".

It ain't going to happen because from what you say you have a never ending amount of money to buy the "Wallflowers". DCA DCA DCA is all you talk about and seem to have a never ending supply of money. I hope this is a correct assumption of how I perceive your trading advice.

In the same conversation we will be talking and I say "Mom, The stock market does not look good now and it is going to go lower and she will say well if you see me eating bean's and bread you will know why.

It's very frustrating knowing she or I could have had 2 Corvette Z06's right now and been in the same situation.


Sucks...:(


Mind you I get a Cake for my Birthday and $50.00 for Christmas.



"Bad Advice is just plain Bad Advice"
 
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poolman,

I seldom give advise unless I'm specifically asked. And besides, I have your Mom beat when it comes to taking a licking - I'm down over $277K. I've been in the market since 1972 and have developed my particular style by joining the college of hard knocks. I took substantial profits during the July highs and completed some purchases in the August-September correction and did the same thing during the last quarter. I think for the year I made like 19 sales and made 522 purchases. You can't make a purchase without money my friend. My oceanic is still above the $1.3M mark so I have some room to dabble in the depths of pain. I'm also aware that on many charts we are below levels seen at the 2002 lows, we are at levels in which major bottoms are usually seen. The common only NYSE breadth MCO continues to remain above levels created back earlier this month - this would mean that a divergent structure, amazingly, remains in place. What's kept me from climbing on this bearish train has been the activity of the McClellan Oscillator over this period of time. We are still on a bottoms above bottoms scenario. Also adding to this idea of divergence, you would see that the NYA closed below the August range and since the MCO is at a higher level than this flag point, you now have double divergence as a possibility. So this bull is searching for creativity to stay long and so far it's there, you just have to find it.

A few words from Henry To: "Trading or making decisions based on chart patterns is only useful on the condition that:1, not many other analysts are observing the same patterns at the same time, 2, the chart pattern is being confirmed by other indicators, especially from a valuation and sentiment standpoint."

And now I will break a rule and remind you that you should listen to your Mom - she's worth a lot more than you. And don't worry, she'll leave you with a lot more than she has now - the bull market is far from finished.
 
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Poolman -- you could be talking about my MIL -- only her money has been in US savings bonds for the past 15 years. She lives on her pension from being a seamstress in a department store and banks all the survivor benefits from her husband and the mandatory withdrawals from the IRAs. She has her "investment plan" and won't hear of any other ideas. Of course she's at the opposite end of the spectrum from your mother, but we just chuckle.

She gives everyone a set amount for Christmas -- now it's just cash, but a few years back she bought me a present that was $7 over the set amount. She called and told me to bring $7 with me so I could pay her before I opened my present. :)
 
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Poolman -- you could be talking about my MIL -- only her money has been in US savings bonds for the past 15 years. She lives on her pension from being a seamstress in a department store and banks all the survivor benefits from her husband and the mandatory withdrawals from the IRAs. She has her "investment plan" and won't hear of any other ideas. Of course she's at the opposite end of the spectrum from your mother, but we just chuckle.

She gives everyone a set amount for Christmas -- now it's just cash, but a few years back she bought me a present that was $7 over the set amount. She called and told me to bring $7 with me so I could pay her before I opened my present. :)
Good old Mums. Gotta love em. A lot of us on this board probably have parents that were born in the 20's and lived through the great depression and the stock market crash. They were taught patience and to be frugal with money. Not like today when everyone wants instant gratification.(myself included) Good things come to those who wait. At least that is what my Mum used to tell me. Looks like I will learn patience --whether I want to or not.
Just my 2 cents.:)
 
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according to terry salvage...BONDS ARE NEXT..of course thats her opinion...but i dont own any so it does not apply to me...glad i dont have any stocks either....i have to toot my own horn on this one saying this thing was gonna blow up.....still sitting on 7.4 gains since last yr this time since selling out on the 15th jan....cash is king!:nuts:
 
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I think Birctree is the same way. He somehow has been taught, Only accumulate shares and never sell. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but Birch, This is really Bad and none of your indicator's has gotten you out of this devastation.

When in your mind would be "Enough is Enough".

It has become conventional wisdom (thanks, to a large degree, to Warren Buffet) to "buy when everyone else is selling, and sell when everyone else is buying". In other words, don't follow the crowd.

The problem is, this is a gross oversimplification. It's extremely valuable to not automatically follow the herd -- but it doesn't follow that the herd is always wrong. What if the herd is actually doing what it's doing for good reason?

There's another bit of good conventional wisdom out there: "never add to a losing position". Not following that advice is what gets gambling addicts in trouble.

Right now, I don't think we've even begun to sense how bad things are going to get.
 
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We are at the bottom. Plain and simple. The composite NYSE breadth MCO broke down out of its symmetrical triangle to the downside, and like all triangles, such a break in either direction is usually quite dramatic. At this point in time, the composite NYSE breadth MCO is showing a triple divergent structure with Thursday's break with a bottom above bottom still intact, considering the sell off, this is a stunning piece of evidence. If we do hold here with these same divergent structures, this would be the first time since the 2003 period when this has happened. There are now divergences on a number of indexes signaling a bottom has arrived - I don't look for much more price decay to the downside. NYSE TRIN is at 1.62.
 
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WV:

I wish Mum's had been managing our subprime market...Something tells me she would have done a much better job than the supposed Wall Street experts..

FS
 
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I just looked in on my daughter's accounts - remember she has been buying the naughty bank stocks and housing related issues. Well the accounts are all geared to be green today. We'll do more buying tomorrow - I've got about 40 more on the list. If we end up with 76 stocks that will give us 304 individual dividend hits/year. If we end up with 92 stocks we'll be looking at 360 dividend hits/year. What a great country. We are locking in nice yields with the prospect to eventually gain capital appreciation as well as further increases in dividend income over the coming years. Dad knows best.
 
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Some people think I'm stupid but I can assure anyone that I know exactly what I'm doing. I LOVE pain, it's that simple. Hit me with your best shot - fire away.
 
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