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[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Rita's steady rains sent water pouring through breaches in a patched levee Friday, cascading into one of the city's lowest-lying neighborhoods in a devastating repeat of New Orleans' flooding nightmare.[/font]

[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]***thank God the Federal government pleaded with that FOOL Nagin NOT to allow people back into the city..........things would be truly catastrophic.[/font]
 
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during floyd it took us 1 1/2 hours to go fromthe beachto I95....about 14 miles. A1A going off the islandto the 95 is now a oneway corridor during hurrivac.

neighbors that left at the last minute did better time wise driving. problem for them was finding gas and a hotel within 200 miles avail.
 
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I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and whisper to the folks from New Orleans who went to Houston: "Psst! Go to Dallas instead!" We had some fugitives from N.O. come to Key West if you can believe it. That is just asking for it. Nebraska, Chicago, anywhere but the heart of hurricane country.

The powers that be learned the lesson of Katrina: Evacuate! So they ordered the evacuation of the country's 4th largest metropolitan area, over 4 million people, just like that. Did they expect it to go smoothly? They did this into the pathof the people who were leaving the coastal islands and towns, which all the roads in the area funnel through Houston. Is it any wonder that it turned into the evacuation from hell?

Down here we do PHASED evacuations. First, tourists and visitors, then Lower Keys, then Middle Keys, then Upper Keys. That way there isn't a big jam up on our one 2-lane road outta town. We must empty the island chain within 24 hours. If we cannot achieve the 24 hour limit, the state refuses to issue any more building permits. (The developers want to 4-lane the entire road to accomodate more traffic and hence, acquire building permits.)

So why not let Galveston go, then 24 hours later evacuate south Houston and the locations near the bayous, and after that let everyone else stay put, so long as you are above the projected high tide line. Like up on the Florida mainland they have zones. The beach zone, the zone east of A1A, etc. The idea is to move as few people as necessary as short a distance as necessary. Youonly needto go may 10 miles to be safe from the surge. Why have people going all over the country? They were renting motel rooms in Oklahoma fer cryin out loud. That is needless and costly. And look at the result -- SNAFU.

The people of Houston have learned the lesson of the people of New Orleans who learned the lesson learned by the people on the Titanic: Thosein charge don't know what they're doing, and there are too few lifeboats.

Dave
 
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Greg wrote:
teknobucks wrote:
would hate to think how GOD will punish us for printing all that money from thin air
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Matthew 22:15-17 - Then the Pharisees went off and discussed how they could trap him in argument. Eventually they sent their disciples with some of the Herod-party to say this, "Master, we know that you are an honest man who teaches the way of God faithfully and that you don't care for human approval. Now tell us - 'is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not'?"

22:18-20 - But Jesus knowing their evil intention said, "Why try this trick on me, you frauds? Show me the money you pay the tax with." They handed him a coin, and he said to them, "Whose face is this and whose name is in the inscription?"

22:21 - "Caesar's," they said. "Then give to Caesar," he replied, "what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God!"

22:22 - This reply staggered them and they went away and let him alone.
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Pharisees.......2005

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Greenspan is my hero. Without him we wouldn't have the greatest stock market bubble in history, the greatest real estate bubble in history, and the greatest bond market in history. If you think about it, the very way we trade today has been strongly influenced by Greenspan. I will surely miss him and so will you once you take a closer look at his replacement Mr. Bernanke.
 
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Dave M wrote:
Teckno, I have a track ball on the eye of this storm on my workstation. It has held a motion of 305 degrees at 9 knots for the last 24 hours. During the conference call that just ended -- 0830Z -- they chose Sabine Pass as the most likely place for landfall.

Surge is complicated. Forward speed and wind speed must synchronize for surge to maximize. If it is strong but slow, surge will be less than if it is strong but fast. However if it is moving too fast, it can outrun its surge. Coming straight on toward the coast will be a factor -- less surge than if it was paralleling the coast.Bottom topography and the shape of the shoreline also are critical. Sabine Pass is a narrow inlet to a large bay or lake. The necks on either side of the inlet will reflect and slow the surge.

To the right of the track lie extensive marshes south of Lake Charles LA. these will absorb a lot of the surge.

The main event with this system may not come fora week after landfall. It is forecast to stall in the Texarkana/Shreveport region and may even drift back toward the south. Thus it will be dumping 3-6 inches of rain per day for maybe 5 days over the same area. Once this water gets into the rivers a significant fresh water floodwill occur.For one thing, it means the folks who evacuated will not be able to get back for a long time.

Rita brushed my island Tuesday with 76 mph winds on land but 98 mph just five miles off shore.

Dave
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folks in hou area may of got a gift from this track change.:cool:

*tues or wed. fang sent amerlin outta jax to photo the entire keys 4 storm damage ....worked pilot on return leg andhe indicatedya'll fairedwell. THANK GOD!
 
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very worried about platform damage from this one.

this link is active...by clicking on it u may zoom in and out. Rita and the Texas oil rigs
[url]http://gom.rigzone.com/rita.asp[/url]


dave m is right about the soaking rains creating flooding in the area.....may in fact be the biggest problem caused by Rita

tekno
 
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I sometimes have trouble logging in so I did a test message which I edited out.

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From the Technician: "I've been saying this for two days now due to weather patterns I have noticed..."

Gee, not only are you a marketexpert but a weather expert, too. A Renaissance Man.

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Teckno, I have a track ball on the eye of this storm on my workstation. It has held a motion of 305 degrees at 9 knots for the last 24 hours. During the conference call that just ended -- 0830Z -- they chose Sabine Pass as the most likely place for landfall.

Surge is complicated. Forward speed and wind speed must synchronize for surge to maximize. If it is strong but slow, surge will be less than if it is strong but fast. However if it is moving too fast, it can outrun its surge. Coming straight on toward the coast will be a factor -- less surge than if it was paralleling the coast.Bottom topography and the shape of the shoreline also are critical. Sabine Pass is a narrow inlet to a large bay or lake. The necks on either side of the inlet will reflect and slow the surge.

To the right of the track lie extensive marshes south of Lake Charles LA. these will absorb a lot of the surge.

The main event with this system may not come fora week after landfall. It is forecast to stall in the Texarkana/Shreveport region and may even drift back toward the south. Thus it will be dumping 3-6 inches of rain per day for maybe 5 days over the same area. Once this water gets into the rivers a significant fresh water floodwill occur.For one thing, it means the folks who evacuated will not be able to get back for a long time.

Rita brushed my island Tuesday with 76 mph winds on land but 98 mph just five miles off shore.

Dave
 
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teknobucks wrote:
very interesting read on canes.: http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
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That is fascinating - you've keyed us in to this site before on another subject at some time in the past, haven't you? I didn't follow the links and there was a lot I didn't understand. We have had the earthquake, if I understood that partright, probably not, since it was across the continent. Thanx for the share,

and to your wife,
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also, for her patience!
 
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teknobucks wrote:
would hate to think how GOD will punish us for printing all that money from thin air
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Matthew 22:15-17 - Then the Pharisees went off and discussed how they could trap him in argument. Eventually they sent their disciples with some of the Herod-party to say this, "Master, we know that you are an honest man who teaches the way of God faithfully and that you don't care for human approval. Now tell us - 'is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not'?"

22:18-20 - But Jesus knowing their evil intention said, "Why try this trick on me, you frauds? Show me the money you pay the tax with." They handed him a coin, and he said to them, "Whose face is this and whose name is in the inscription?"

22:21 - "Caesar's," they said. "Then give to Caesar," he replied, "what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God!"

22:22 - This reply staggered them and they went away and let him alone.
 
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Greg wrote:
teknobucks wrote:
[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]The U.S. appears to be in line for another catastrophic landfalling hurricane[/font]
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Maybe the federal courts shouldn't have let the one judgeremove the Pledge of Allegiance from public schools because it has the reference "one nation under God" in it.
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well Greg i'd like to think it's just nature.

would hate to think how GOD will punish us for printing all that money from thin air:shock:


Rita and the Texas oil rigs
[url]http://gom.rigzone.com/rita.asp[/url]
 
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[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]markets will rock if this is true.....[/font]

[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]Rita is weakening, but that can be just a ERC, which should be ending by tonight right when she passes the warm spot. If she can't get back to the 905-10 level, she will most likely collapse into a Cat 2. Maybe alot of hype for nothing?[/font]
 
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teknobucks wrote:
[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]The U.S. appears to be in line for another catastrophic landfalling hurricane[/font]
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Maybe the federal courts shouldn't have let the one judgeremove the Pledge of Allegiance from public schools because it has the reference "one nation under God" in it.
 
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I would suppose that Jim will leave when his job is done. My daughter went to sons' in Austinyesterday, after she cleaned out her classroom (into the main bldg.). I just don't know when : `the job is considered to be done....'
 
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grandma wrote:
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If Rita heads back toward NO, won't that lessen the cost of damages - or does it engulf even more oil rigs when turning back?
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best for your relatives (they need to evac btw)and the stock market is for the damn thing to keep turning right.

the more rigs, refineries,and populationon the left side of this storm the better.;)



hurricane tracking info:
Eglin AFB Tropical Weather page
Florida Coastal Waters
Hurricane & Tropical Storm Weather Updates - Weatherhub
HURRICANE WEATHER DATA
hurricanetracking
J Squared Weather Forum - excoboard.com
Moored Buoy and C-MAN Locations and Information
Perry's Hurricane 05'
POD WEATHER Podcasting Weather One Day at a Time
Unisys Weather 3 hour Loop of Infrared Satellite Image
Wright-Weather - powered by vBulletin
 
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robo wrote:
How to pay for the Hurricanes?

"High Three" to "High Five"?
Government spending to recover from Hurricane Katrina means spending cuts will probably be necessary in other government programs. One possibility is changing the formula for calculating federal employee pension benefits.
Date Published: September 22, 2005


http://www.fedsmith.com/articles/articles.showarticle.db.php?intArticleID=711
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here is what I posted elsewhere before i got to this page - on paying & who is not payingfor the damages.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/forum31/2251.html
 
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teknobucks wrote:
[font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]The U.S. appears to be in line for another catastrophic landfalling hurricane[/font][font="verdana, arial, helvetica,"]
Right now, the guidance has shifted somewhat to the north and east. However, the GFS 500 mb ensemble mean height anomalies indicate that the turn might be wider than what some of the guidance suggests:
Right now, I believe Rita will make landfall somewhere between Corpus Christi and Galveston:

ritalf2.jpg

Tekno- thank your for this picture - it shows the most clearly (for me) where my kids are...that little peninsula just above Corpus. He is dir of transp at the Rockport schools, & on the local taskforce, so right now is busybusing folksout. I understand the prisoners went first, then the nsg home folks. If Rita heads back toward NO, won't that lessen the cost of damages - or does it engulf even more oil rigs when turning back?
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Dave M "the WX guy of EYW"..... a few ?'s reference Rita if u have the time......

what is your opinion of these higher pressure readings and the breakdown on left side at this point? do you think she could breakdown even more?

since these canes are always changing in intensity.....is it a bad time for her to cycle back to a 4 with so much hot water to traverse prior to landfall?

TIA!!

tekno
 
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