Arizona Immigration law

[Viva_La_Migra]

Do you think THEY will be stopped, and made to prove that they are in this country legally?

Do you think for a minute that the officer wouldn't come up with some "reasonable suspicion"?

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I've processed better looking women for removal from the United States, so yes, they may be asked to prove they are in the United States legally if the officer has reason to believe they are not here legally. Not all of us think with the wrong head...all of the time!

If you've paid attention to some of my posts, you'd know that I have escorted deportees to the Philippines, Barbados, Jamaica, the British Virgin Islands, Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Belize. My coworkers have taken deportees to England, Canada, France, Germany, Uganda, Spain, Denmark, Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Greece, Nigeria...ALL OVER THE WORLD! This isn't a "latino" issue!

 

[Steadygain]

I've processed better looking women for removal from the United States,

Really :nuts: WOW -- I picked the wrong job

so yes, they may be asked to prove they are in the United States legally if the officer has reason to believe they are not here legally. Not all of us think with the wrong head...all of the time!

If you've paid attention to some of my posts, you'd know that I have escorted deportees to the Philippines, Barbados, Jamaica, the British Virgin Islands, Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Belize. My coworkers have taken deportees to England, Canada, France, Germany, Uganda, Spain, Denmark, Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Greece, Nigeria...ALL OVER THE WORLD! This isn't a "latino" issue!

Well I believe it should be MANDATORY -- Goverment Paid (since you're Federal Employees)

That anytime anyone like you (or your coworkers) go to:
Philippines, Barbados, Jamaica, the British Virgin Islands, Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Belize. England, France, Germany, Uganda, Spain, Denmark, Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Greece, Nigeria...ALL OVER THE WORLD!

That you be required to take 2 full days to relax; blend in and get to know the area better.

I took Canada out -- but all the rest -- I believe if you're going to take anyone there -- you need to really take some time to appreciate all they have to offer.

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...zonas-new-immigration-law-offering-sanctuary/

They may call themselves "sanctuary cities," but very few of them are offering sanctuary to the illegal immigrants in Arizona who now face possible arrest and deportation.

Typical liberal response.

"So I go down the streets,
Down to my good friend's house
I said "Look man I'm outdoors you know,
Can I stay with you maybe a couple days?"
He said "Let me go and ask my wife"
He come out of the house,
I could see it in his face
I know that was no
He said "I don't know man, ah she kinda funny, you know"
1 Bourbon, 1 Scotch, 1 Beer-George Thorogood

 

[Show-me]

I've processed better looking women for removal from the United States, so yes, they may be asked to prove they are in the United States legally if the officer has reason to believe they are not here legally. Not all of us think with the wrong head...all of the time!

Breaks your heart some times.

 

[Show-me]

I want a card check or citizen check system at these protests. I want to make sure that only citizens are allowed free speech and the freedom to assemble and not the criminals that are here illegally. Not much to ask that the law be enforced.

 

[Frixxxx]

Knowing that a number of ACTUAL CITIZENS would have to stop and get checked BY THE GOV'T...isn't that directly from...

At least in 1984, everyone was required to perform a job.

Oh wait, requiring me to have healthcare and forcing me to claim it on my taxes is OK though.....
Isn't that an illegal search and seizure?

 

[Frixxxx]

At least having healthcare is a benefit for a citizen. How does a citizen who went out into the Arizona sun in shorts/tanktop with no pockets benefit when he/she has to pull an ID or go to the pokie?

If we lose tax-exempt status for a BENEFIT...well, I can think of many worse things. However I think a flat tax and NO tax exemptions is the way to go.

The immigration bru-hah is a legitimate concern though. State/local gov'ts who deal directly with the consequences have been forced to pick up the slack from a Federal Gov't that can't or won't do what its supposed to do...protect our borders.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

If I have to show that I am a citizen to ensure that my tax dollars support my country, my country's resources, my country's economic system, my Country's sovereignty...WOW, puts all those other little things like "Where's your ID?" items into perspective.

The title of this thread needs to change from Arizona Immigration Law to Arizona's answer to the LACK of enforcement of Federal Law. No immigrants rights were violated during the course of enactment. Asking someone for an ID is not a Constitutional issue, it is a safety issue.

 

[Warrenlm]

Can you just visualize the effect of setting up simple checkpoints on all pedestrian routes leading to the approved protest area? Just like they have in DC for certain neighborhoods to screen for residents. Just like they have on roads to catch DUI drivers. No recording of pedestrian's names. But gee, what an impact. Might be a more civil demonstration?

Of course, it's possible all the illegal immigrants already have driver's licenses, perhaps originally obtained in Virginia and then transferred. And don't forget the benefit cards.

 

[alevin]

If I have to show that I am a citizen to ensure that my tax dollars support my country, my country's resources, my country's economic system, my Country's sovereignty...WOW, puts all those other little things like "Where's your ID?" items into perspective.

The title of this thread needs to change from Arizona Immigration Law to Arizona's answer to the LACK of enforcement of Federal Law. No immigrants rights were violated during the course of enactment. Asking someone for an ID is not a Constitutional issue, it is a safety issue.

I can just imagine how many passports would start being lost/stolen if we all had to start carrying them around routinely about our everyday business, for the "just in case". Black market major uptrend. I really don't want to be carrying mine around routinely, that's for sure. I have to carry it when out of the country, but that's to protect me, who am not a citizen of those other countries, and to help me get back home.

as a citizen of this country who does a lot of within-country travel, I don't want to have to worry about crossing state borders and not having "acceptable" proof of citizenship on me, would make me feel like I was an alien in my own country.

One of those Constitutional bennies we have as citizens, to not have to worry about internal travel barriers-only if outside the country trying to get back in at a border checkpoint. Which is expected and a given.

 

[nnuut]

You have to be Joking, we are being invaded by the same criminals that are at war with the Country of Mexico. Phoenix is 2nd in the world for kidnapping just behind Bogotá Columbia. This requires drastic actions and we are not talking about the financial drain on the economy. I can carry my ID and my wife will carry her GREEN CARD that she is supposed to carry with her everywhere NOW by LAW of the land.

 

[alevin]

Green cards have always been required, and do need to be carried. I said U.S. citizens have never been required to carry passports internally, unlike South Africa.

I know about Mexi mafia. I wrote last year about a rural new property owner in my area down the road from a friend of mine, the new owner whose buildings can't be seen from the road and who has guards at his gate with auto-weapons-

my own local LEO didn't know about it til I told him and county LE hadn't said anything to him about it, and he'd just had a meeting with them.. I still don't want to be carrying my passport around with me casually or routinely to cross state borders. Arizona is not accepting other states DLs as id, only their own. I''ll just stay away from AZ til the feds start doing better job of border enforcement. Freedom of internal travel=US citizen right. -if we go under martial law, that's another matter. We're not there yet.

 

[nnuut]

I'll carry whatever it takes to properly ID the real CITIZENS, nothing is wrong with that we get carded all of the time, show your ID to prove you are who you claim to be. Buy a bottle of wine, use a credit card, get a speeding ticket, cross the California border and you have to prove you are not carrying any unauthorized plants fruits veggies! That has to be unreasonable search and they will take them if you have any? Profiling?

 

[James48843]

It is a sad, sad day indeed when our nation becomes a place where everyone is carryiNG id and subject to stop and be questioned by "the authorities'.


sad, sad day.

 

[burrocrat]

It is a sad, sad day indeed when our nation becomes a place where everyone is carryiNG id and subject to stop and be questioned by "the authorities'.


sad, sad day.

well, how else are we supposed to tell if they are eligible for the free health care, link the med records to cut costs, etc.? or does all it take being just a warm body, and present?

what's to worry about, we all been tagged and bagged long ago, do you need a card with chip to sign onto computer at work, get access to your area or floor? how far does our expectation of privacy really go?

i used to think the goose and gander thing was fair, until i realized i was getting goosed, and others were gander-ing at their share of the value of my productivity.

sad day indeed.

 

[PessOptimist]

I find it very interesting that Law Enforcement Officers at all levels are coming out for or against the law. Strictly along party lines. I guess they no longer have to take an oath about upholding the law.

I am also finding the growing CA initiative to break contracts and refuse to use anything produced in AZ to be kind of amusing. I hope they all like rationing electricity. My only regret is that four of the nine generators at Hoover Dam are on the NV side of the river.

 

[Show-me]

Uhhmmm...aren't you for LESS GOVERNMENT?

And for the Constitutional rights against random search and siezure...The 4th Amendment?

Knowing that a number of ACTUAL CITIZENS would have to stop and get checked BY THE GOV'T...isn't that directly from...

So the answer is to let them continue to break the law?

I am for less government, but I am for showing proof of citizenship. How is that more government? It is enforcement of law.

 

[Show-me]

It is a sad, sad day indeed when our nation becomes a place where everyone is carryiNG id and subject to stop and be questioned by "the authorities'.


sad, sad day.

You work for the government, got a ID? Have to show it? What's the problem?

 

[Show-me]

I have to wear and show my ID at all times while at work. No big deal at all, I wear it around my neck. Got dog tags, got military ID, got ID to see a R rated movie? No big deal unless you are committing a crime.

 

[nnuut]

This is SAD when some of the citizens don't have the Cajones to protect their own country in the name of WHAT, inconvenience? I know plenty of immigrants and every one of them think that if your going to immigrate to this country you should do it the right way, they are from TEXAS, SPAIN, ITALY, HONDURAS, CHILE, COLUMBIA, BRITON and more! The Same thing that's happening here is happening in their home countries and they HATE IT!!

 

[XL-entLady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2VSGEWzEW0http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002669/

AZ governor says that she doesn't know what an illegal immigrant looks like but AZ-POST (Police Officers' Standards and Training) will put down the description and the law will be enforced without discriminatory points to it.

Spouse has some serious law enforcement experience, including being a past chairman of the Utah-Arizona Law Enforcement Training Advisory Council. His words when he heard this clip? "That's an absurd task."