Arizona Immigration law

[CountryBoy]

Poll: Most Ariz. voters support state's immigration law

Nearly two-thirds of Arizona voters say they favor tough immigration rules signed into law last week by Gov. Jan Brewer, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll released today.

The law, which allows police officers to request that people show documentation proving their immigration status, has caused an uproar. President Obama condemned the law at a town hall meeting in Iowa this week. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom imposed a moratorium on official city travel to Arizona.

The poll also finds that 57% of Arizona voters favor an immigration policy that welcomes all immigrants except "national security threats, criminals and those who would come here to live off our welfare system," according to the poll. Seventy-six percent say it's more important to gain control of the border than to legalize the status of undocumented workers.


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...st-az-voters-support-states-immigration-law/1

Hey, the AZ folks have spoken. Our Manchurian president is fighting with the will of the citizens of this country again.

It's simple, we have laws on the books that the Feds refuse to enforce and the citizens of AZ are sick and tired of being invaded, by illegal aliens, they are criminals. Of course the folks that call them undocumented immigrants, also consider the atrocity the 9/11 hijackers did, just a "man made disasters" now. Talking about PC running amok.

Oh and about showing an ID. Didn't the HC Bill require that we show proof of our purchasing his socialized medicine, by having a medical card/some proof of participation or get fined/thrown in jail?

Progs your hypocritical slip is showing big time. Ya can't have it both ways. We show ID everywhere. Most folks, at least at hospitals, must show proof of citizenship, either birth certificate or passport, before they are hired. That should be a requirement for all jobs. "wink, wink"

 

[CountryBoy]

Next time I see them crossing the Rio Grande to come watch a soccer match, I'll notify the authorities.

Really James? I am starting to question the requirements to be a moderator.:suspicious:

I've questioned the requirements for being a moderator several months ago. SHow me was man enough to stop being a mod, but Prog boy lurks in the shadows, constanting stirring the Rahm with his know-it-all attitude, just tromps around where ever he wants to go, avoids the gist of the debate or question and runs and hides like a little girl when called out. Rules don't apply to the Progs

 

[CountryBoy]

LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT…

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

1 - A JOB,

2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,

3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,

4 - WELFARE,

5 - FOOD STAMPS,

6 - CREDIT CARDS,

7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,

8 - FREE EDUCATION,

9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,

10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON

11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE

12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

Befroe you Progs go apoplectic, there is no way that I want the United States of America to even consider such horrible treatment or measures, that the above countries do to people who cross their borders illegally, See Venezula and Cuba for example, workers paradise and praised/touted here as a much better place to live than America.

All I ask, is that the people respect our laws and follow them. I guess for some that is really asking too much and for those that feel that they can't respect our laws, then how do they expect for folks to have any respect for them and their beliefs? The immigrants that have come here legally, don't like the illegal aliens, because it is a black eye to those that followed the law.

 

[Minnow]

It is a sad, sad day indeed when our nation becomes a place where everyone is carryiNG id and subject to stop and be questioned by "the authorities'.


sad, sad day.

Thought you were gonna keep an open mind and go read the Constitution again? Guess not. Or maybe you just read the 4th amendment and decided I was right but wanted to bait someone else into an aspect of your argument.

As far as carrying id ... hmmm I guess show-me and every other person with common sense on this thread addressed that just fine. If you want the benefits, there has to be some way to identify who gets them. I can't see where the Constitution guaranteed the rights or benefits of citizenship to non-citizens -- maybe I'm missing something.

But maybe you just want a political argument and your derisive "the authorities" placed in quotations was bait. Fine... how's about 10,000 Japanese a day start pouring over the Canadian border and into Michigan and taking american autoworker jobs and doing them for fractions of union wages... 'cuz their country got ran into the ground by a corrupt/inept government. Wonder if you would change your tune about the need to enforce the immigration laws then?

 

[Minnow]

AZ governor says that she doesn't know what an illegal immigrant looks like but AZ-POST (Police Officers' Standards and Training) will put down the description and the law will be enforced without discriminatory points to it.

Spouse has some serious law enforcement experience, including being a past chairman of the Utah-Arizona Law Enforcement Training Advisory Council. His words when he heard this clip? "That's an absurd task."

Your spouse is right... leave it to a politician to screw things up.

 

[Steadygain]

The law, which allows police officers to request that people show documentation proving their immigration status, has caused an uproar.

I'll tell you -- this is the craziest thing I could ever imagine. They are police officers and therefore they fully have the right to ask anyone for this kind of documentation.

This is simply the all time bull rahm to date. Would be like people being in an uproar because sales people have a right to look at their ID to verify their age.

President Obama condemned the law at a town hall meeting in Iowa this week.

Then he had better come up with a far better plan. Like implants under the skin -- so all the police officers have to do is a quick scan -- without asking any questions.

I've questioned the requirements for being a moderator several months ago.

I'd say the requirements are pretty obvious with Nnutt, James, Lady, Show-me, Rod and all the others I've known. Spaf and Griffin too.

You have to be someone with very solid integrity ~ that consistently interacts with others and does their best to give everyone a fair chance. I think the MODS are great.

SHow me was man enough to stop being a mod,

Well I'll be darned !! Here my comment about grinding him into fine dust :laugh: -- I thought that was a Moderator talking.

Show-me you're every bit as much a man being one again.

but Prog boy lurks in the shadows, constanting stirring the Rahm with his know-it-all attitude, just tromps around where ever he wants to go,

Yeah I've got to admit -- I've been kind of shocked by some of the recent posts.

I mean there is a big difference between being witty and somewhat amuzing (entertaining) and down right annoying.

avoids the gist of the debate or question and runs and hides like a little girl when called out.

Oooh man !!! That's Great -- :cheesy:

Ladies -- please take no offense

Rules don't apply to the Progs

Well I've got another name for em -- there is nothing 'progressive' about most of the rahm I'm seeing.

Well gotta run -- got a few waiting

 

[nnuut]

Gordon Brown: I understand immigration fears

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8651476.stm

 

[nnuut]

OK, let's be nice to each other!!:nuts:

 

[CountryBoy]

Then he had better come up with a far better plan. Like implants under the skin -- so all the police officers have to do is a quick scan -- without asking any questions.



Well I've got another name for em -- there is nothing 'progressive' about most of the rahm I'm seeing.

Well gotta run -- got a few waiting

I must've of missed the implants under the skin becoming law and you must have missed my post of all the places and times, that we as Legal American Citizens must show id as a normal part of life. Dang those pesky facts, but ya don't have to acknowlege them. Your implants under the skin seems to work for you.

Also, If you find me annoying , just hit the ignore button, I'm sure others have and it'll make your life must better, not having to listen to someone using his right of free speech.

That'll be nice and easy for ya.

 

[nnuut]

A good listen on what's happening in Briton!~Immigration, IT's a problem!

BNP 'will shut Britain's doors'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8650000/8650909.stm

 

[nnuut]

The Day the Immigrants Left

Synopsis


Evan Davis presents a programme exploring the effects of immigration in the UK by focusing on Wisbech, a town in Cambridgeshire.
Since 2004 this once prosperous market town has received up to 9,000 immigrants seeking work - the majority from Eastern Europe. But with nearly 2,000 locals unemployed and claiming benefits, many of them blame the foreign workers for their predicament.
To test if the town needs so many foreign workers, immigrant employees are temporarily removed from their jobs, and the work given to the local unemployed. Now the town's British workers have a chance to prove they can do it.
Eleven British unemployed workers are recruited to go into a range of different Wisbech workplaces including a potato company, an asparagus farm, an Indian restaurant and a building site run by a local landlord.
Moving beyond the workplace, Evan Davis investigates how the town's local public services, such as schools and the NHS, are coping with the demands of the new arrivals.
As the British unemployed workers get to grips with their new jobs, this documentary examines the facts and dispels the myths around the subject of immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r3qyw

 

[alevin]

Poll: Most Ariz. voters support state's immigration law

Nearly two-thirds of Arizona voters say they favor tough immigration rules signed into law last week by Gov. Jan Brewer, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll released today.

The law, which allows police officers to request that people show documentation proving their immigration status, has caused an uproar. President Obama condemned the law at a town hall meeting in Iowa this week. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom imposed a moratorium on official city travel to Arizona.

The poll also finds that 57% of Arizona voters favor an immigration policy that welcomes all immigrants except "national security threats, criminals and those who would come here to live off our welfare system," according to the poll. Seventy-six percent say it's more important to gain control of the border than to legalize the status of undocumented workers.


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...st-az-voters-support-states-immigration-law/1

Hey, the AZ folks have spoken. Our Manchurian president is fighting with the will of the citizens of this country again.

It's simple, we have laws on the books that the Feds refuse to enforce and the citizens of AZ are sick and tired of being invaded, by illegal aliens, they are criminals. Of course the folks that call them undocumented immigrants, also consider the atrocity the 9/11 hijackers did, just a "man made disasters" now. Talking about PC running amok.

Oh and about showing an ID. Didn't the HC Bill require that we show proof of our purchasing his socialized medicine, by having a medical card/some proof of participation or get fined/thrown in jail?

Progs your hypocritical slip is showing big time. Ya can't have it both ways. We show ID everywhere. Most folks, at least at hospitals, must show proof of citizenship, either birth certificate or passport, before they are hired. That should be a requirement for all jobs. "wink, wink"

CB, I don't recall anyone saying shouldn't have to show proof of citizenship (or green card), before getting hired for a job. I personally believe employers need to be held accountable to best of their ability.

I'm talking about getting pulled over on the road somewhere for something simple like busted taillight, failure to signal right turn, going 5 miles over the limit-and suddenly having proof of citizenship demanded or getting thrown in jail. If you're in AZ, having an Ohio DL or a credit card wouldn't cut it. You'd get thrown in jail til somebody arrived from Ohio with the right papers. Doesn't matter if your ancestors celebrated the first Thanksgiving.

I said earlier that yes, AZ needs to do something to help themselves since the feds are so underfunded and unsupported at sealing the border, that it's all in the way the state law is implemented.

 

[CountryBoy]

OK, let's be nice to each other!!:nuts:

Sorry nnuut,

I'll watch what I say and who I say it to or about. I'll try to stay to the facts, like laws and such.

CB

 

[Frixxxx]

I said earlier that yes, AZ needs to do something to help themselves since the feds are so underfunded and unsupported at sealing the border, that it's all in the way the state law is implemented.

Wait, the federal government has laws it can't fund or support? Wait, you can't support or fund? So the answer is not to enforce but to ignore. So does that mean I don't HAVE to get healthcare? They can't enforce it?

Am I missing something in this discussion?

 

[nnuut]

Sorry nnuut,

I'll watch what I say and who I say it to or about. I'll try to stay to the facts, like laws and such.

CB

It's normal during a heated discussion when party's disagree, we just have to respect each others opinion, I know that's a hard one, but most of us have been on the Board a long time and we are all good people. It's hard being a COP!

 

[grandma]

The Day the Immigrants Left

Synopsis
... documentary examines the facts and dispels the myths around the subject of immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r3qyw

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[alevin]

You know what Frixxx, yes there are federal AGENCIES and PROGRAMS that Congress and the Pres don't fund or limit funding for-which inhibits ability to ENFORCE the laws the agencies are tasked with carrying out (the programs are there to implement the laws). surprise surprise. More border enforcement is needed, I totally agree. the impact of illegals on municipal, county and state services and financing is evident in this state too, just not as bad as in AZ.

There'll be a lot of people who pay the fine on HC, it'll be cheaper for them than buying the insurance. Heck, younger members of my family are likely to be in that crowd once they figure it out (and become old enough to leave home). I am in a state of suspended animation on longterm impacts of HC bill, we won't see full impact for some time yet thanks to the phase-in.

 

[CountryBoy]

CB, I don't recall anyone saying shouldn't have to show proof of citizenship (or green card), before getting hired for a job. I personally believe employers need to be held accountable to best of their ability.

I'm talking about getting pulled over on the road somewhere for something simple like busted taillight, failure to signal right turn, going 5 miles over the limit-and suddenly having proof of citizenship demanded or getting thrown in jail. If you're in AZ, having an Ohio DL or a credit card wouldn't cut it. You'd get thrown in jail til somebody arrived from Ohio with the right papers. Doesn't matter if your ancestors celebrated the first Thanksgiving.

I said earlier that yes, AZ needs to do something to help themselves since the feds are so underfunded and unsupported at sealing the border, that it's all in the way the state law is implemented.

Alevin,

I was trying to strictly stick to the facts that a law had been passed that the folks in AZ seemed to want. I also personally believe employers who hire illegals should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am very Law and Order, regardless of whom or what you are. It should apply evenly to everyone. We currently have laws on the books that should have solved this problem, but the authorities, for decades, for various reasons, have ignored them or turned a blind eye.

Now it has apparently gotten to the point where the citizens of one state, are tired of being taken advantage of by what I call criminals, those people that break the laws.

I didn’t realize the new AZ law would result in me being thrown in jail for something simple like busted taillight, failure to signal right turn, going 5 miles over the limit-and suddenly having proof of citizenship demanded or getting thrown in jail and that my Ohio DL or a credit card wouldn't cut it. You'd get thrown in jail til somebody arrived from Ohio with the right papers.

What does the law say are the proper papers, so I can carry them to AZ. I also didn’t realize Thanksgiving and participating in the first one was singled out as a reason for possibly being thrown into jail or not being thrown in jail. If all of the above that was the intent of the law, then the folks in AZ must be pretty stupid. Does being 20% Cherokee count for or against you?

If the law really says that, then it’s a bad law and somebody will get sued for doing that regardless of the status of their ancestors. And yes it’s all in the way the state law is implemented, but the above example you used is pretty dramatic.

 

[nnuut]

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I knew that, but the synopsis was pretty detailed about the problems Briton is having with immigration.

 

[alevin]

CB, if you get pulled over, they can demand proof of citizenship-the new law REQUIRES LE to enforce, they can be sued by AZ citizens if they don't enforce. They will currently accept an AZ DL, they will NOT accept a DL from another state as proof of citizenship. What do you carry in your wallet that would keep you out of jail in AZ under the new state law if you were stopped and asked for proof? My 2 youngest nephews are citizens with colonial ancestry on my side. they look Hispanic, their mother is Puerto Rican. Should they need to carry passports on their persons at all times, even tho you don't?