Are we now immortal?

alevin said:
to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303




the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO
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Well before I head home -- am now 1 hour late -- and the inlaws and everyone else are about to sit at the table and have dinner.

Sooooo NEED to fly


Anyway - when I wrote my other comment the only thing I barely glanced at was 'The JOBS' -- when I made my post.

Then got to thinkin' about my comment --- feeling bad for the New Zealand media guy -- who turned out to be 'Trashing' a lady because he's an idiot filled with 'hate' 'prejudism' 'narrow minded' and all the other Negative Things -- that keep people from thinking and living and expressing themselves as they should.

SOOO - If I missed something -- and perhaps said the wrong thing -- it's because I didn't read everything -- but glaced at 'Need for Jobs'

alevin said:
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2010/10/08/ami-talks-in-flv-format/

Debt growth-until the cancer runs out of host to feed on.
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Amen!!! That's what I've been saying since 1985 when they started this mess.

Anyway -- mmmmmm -- to leave off on something good.

Enjoy the cold 'delightful weather' -- FALL is such a wonderful season and I enjoy the colors in the leaves ... using a little blanket and life in general and all it brings.

Have a great one everybody --- and Tom - I hope you especially can relax and let everything float on down the river.
 
Birchtree said:
Now you're sounding more like that prescient Birchtree, and that's a good thing.
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My views have NEVER changed Birch - it's simply everyone has been so caught up in whatever piece of crap wears the crown; and all the more to actually believe that being a Rep or a Dem - makes any difference.


That's the only way I've stood out as looking so 'unknowing' and like such an idiot to everyone else.

The one who wears the crown has 'no power' to change the immense garbage that has been ruining our Country from one Admin. to the Next regardless of who wore the crown.

The 'Laws and Policies' that are solidly in place and increasing reinforced and broadened by the 'parasites' are all the more given their grounding by the 'candy asses' who only care about the image - keeping the population happy - winning votes - not making any waves.

So my Point - all along is - even if Vietnam vet Rep wore the crown with a woman VP - the WAR and the Economic Conditions - and the Bigger Government - and all the longstanding policies and regulations that make the 'Parasites' untouchable --- NONE of that would have changed.

We'd still have a bunch of garbage - and there is simply no way possible changing the 'Hat' - can change the historical circumstances and all the conditions that led to that change. ESPECIALLY when the underlying System mostly operates to 100% compete against each other. One is only in place to keep the other from doing 'any good'.

nnuut said:
Parasites have always been a problem, put them to work!!
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Thanks Norm. You now have the right to stand with CB, Buster, Birch, and me.

alevin said:
to do that, there needs to be JOBS! /QUOTE]

Sorry, I messed up your quote.

I completely acknowledge the need for 'jobs' to make it work and I've totally considered ways to make that happen.

1. Stop outsourceing to all the other Nations - because you can pay them less.
2. Make the 'parasites' take the exact same jobs that are 'outsourced' for the same pay. Money is Money and they have a right to make some.
3. Bring their status to a point where they refuse to live with the bare essentials - and I mean 'bare essentials'. They get caught 'abusing' what we are providing - then make sure there are consequences. Say limited energy supply and a bunch of other things that would be easy to implement.

Alevie - the PROBLEM is not 'Jobs' - the problem is 'The undeniable rights the parasites have and the present conditions by which it would be 'impossible' to challenge them'.

We 'can' provide the JOBS - and we (as a Country) could most certainly make them available; even if answering a phone or a ton of other things - but the 'underlying conditions' would have to be changed in a manner that 'FORCED' the population to be productive - to earn the perks - an active and productive life merits.

Many of these JOBS would be equally in line with LESS Corporate Coruption - and their interests over 'people'.

So I've factored in the need for Jobs.

BTW - :) - I also think we need 'More WOMEN' in control - to help the guys think and act better.
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So, the thread had changed a bit, which is fine by me. I find the new topic(s) interesting also.

I've been thinking about the need for jobs in this country. My son told me something I didn't know the other day (not sure of the truth). Seem the whole stereotype with Jews and money stems from many many years ago. As he explains it, way back when everyone bartered for what they needed/wanted with whatever skills they had. Someone proposed going to a monetary system and the majority of religions/people didn't approve of it so didn't adopt it, except for the Jewish community. So, fast forward quite a few years, and the social infrastructure changes such that everyone is somewhat forced to start using a monetary unit. Since the Jewish community had adopted it many years ago they 'had all the money'. Interesting story given the stereotypes we now have.

Anyway, I'm trying to think about this perception that everyone unemployed has that it is someone elses responsibility to create enough jobs so that there is one that fits their particular skill set. That's my whole issue with this. People are saying I'm a (insert your career here) and there are no jobs. I say it's time to broaden your scope of abilities. Maybe you're not a whatever....maybe you need to be something else. Look at the retired people who supplement their income by making birdhouses, stained glass windows, pottery.... And maybe you need to keep your current skill and approach it differently...many companies are interested in outsourcing. I'm an IT guy. Maybe my approach would be to approach companies that are paying other companies for service and tell them I'm now available anytime and can support them at a much lower cost because I don't have all the trappings of a big company (HR staff, legal staff, payroll staff.....)
Anyway, I think there has to be another solution than the market (society) doesn't have work for me and because of that the government (society again) has to take care of me until it does. You are competing with everyone else on this planet...what do you have to offer that is better than the next guy. Maybe that's the problem, maybe you are an obsolete unit and evolution needs to remove you from the species. That last line should solicit some debate:nuts:
 
alevin said:
to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303




the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO
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We all know what happened and why...you say JOBS is the answer or solution?..Hmmm..I agree to some degree (a little rhyme for you:D)..But JOBS come from the PRIVATE sector, Not from give away no incentive welfare programs that imparts laziness and lack of SELF support as the liberal socialists want or endorse so much...Employers that have a need for workers..Employers that are not ham-strung at every turn in their business by the Feds meddling in thier business', forcing them to take their business to third world countries to escape ..Such as TAXes beyond reason, moritoriums to halt production (we know what I'm talking about here)..Forcing healthcare laws down their throats when they are doing fine before Obamacare..Crap like that is what deters making JOBS...The problem lies in DC and they are the ones that have the power to cripple the economy and they have...:mad:..Get rid of all the road blocks for employers and the JOBS will return.
 
to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303



http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303
the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO
 
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Buster said:
That is the best and most sense you've made in a very LONG time...The analogy was spot on!!!

Thanks man - and we're cool and we always have been

It's only in asking questions like this 'we can all come on the same page and realize deep down we all take the same stand'.

So this is my first time to really 'come clean'

This however I beg to differ:

If not this way as the leading beginning, then WHAT do you perscribe?

I immensely 'respect' this kind of question.

First let's ignore the dirtball who filled the White House/Administration with rham. :worried:

Second - let's stop pretending that some Rep. Super Conservative - and VP Tea Party Speaker - or any kind of diprham Dem. is going to make any difference ---

WHEN: You've got a dumbass WAR taking place - and the next Clown has to make it 'his war'. It's just a bunch of crap that goes on and on.

WHEN: The rhameating LAWS and Policies solidly in place are so deeply entrenched with loopholes and reinforced rham that the 'Parasites' not only become more popular - but they get more and more.

WHEN: Corporate Interests - obviously dominate every aspect of how society functions and their profits have taken far greater priority than the 'people' of the Nation.

..In order to identified the problem as you always seem to do, then you must of formulated a solution, which you always seem not to do..Otherwise always pointing out problems with NO soulutions usualy gets yourself ignored for lack of credibility..
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I would say - we NEED to change the Rules and Laws the underlying 'system' keeps in place.

1. They don't pay 'taxes' - they don't vote
2. Reduce the parasites to 'substaining life' - and not EXCESS.
3. Greatly restrict not only their 'income' but how they spend it. Do random drug tests, no tobacco, alcohol, junk food, and most certainly no satelite TV, and a million other perks they come to expect.

Make them WORK - for anything other than the bare 'neccesities' then they have something to feel proud about and they can spend money for things they enjoy.

I would start with the Parasites.

Equal to that we NEED to make the public aware of what is really happening - and the 'System' is (and has been) far more in place to keep things 'covered up'.

So I would go after the underlying 'Specifics' that are ruining our country and the more we bring these 'Specifics' to light - -is the only way we can KNOW these diprhams are going into office on 'our behalf'.

NOT - to keep the same rham going on and on and the gov't getting bigger and bigger.


Got a meeting bro -- need to run - 5 min late already
 
Steadygain said:
First the difference between guys and girls.

Cancer cells are 'immortal' because they become exactly like the parasites that suck the life out of society. If we use the USA as the example - we see the more that programs expand to strengthen and reinforce the parasites - the greater and stronger they become. Soon you would have say 46% of the population paying 'no taxes' - as they gain benefits that far outweigh their needs.

So - YES - Cancer cells are 'immortal' because the 'underlying system fails to recognize the threat they represent' to all the key structures and foundations vital to a healthy and vibrant LIFE (or society).

Cancer cells lose their 'immortality' when they underlying structures have nothing more to supply.

This my friend is what we need to modify and correct - and the underlying 'system' that keeps them in place and reinforces them are what need to be 'addressed' and 'corrected'.


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That is the best and most sense you've made in a very LONG time...The analogy was spot on!!!


This however I beg to differ:

This will not happen by changing the hats - of someone we view as 'king'.
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If not this way as the leading beginning, then WHAT do you perscribe?

..In order to identified the problem as you always seem to do, then you must of formulated a solution, which you always seem not to do..Otherwise always pointing out problems with NO soulutions usualy gets yourself ignored for lack of credibility..
 
nnuut said:
Clue To Cancer Cells' Eternal Life

Sept 2010
CANCER RESEARCH UK scientists have uncovered a new strategy that could be used by cancer cells to side step the body’s normal safety checks and become immortal – a key step for a cancer cell – according to a study published in Nature today. [more]

http://www.ddw-online.com/industrynews/624001/clue_to_cancer_cells_eternal_life.html
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First the difference between guys and girls.

Cancer cells are 'immortal' because they become exactly like the parasites that suck the life out of society. If we use the USA as the example - we see the more that programs expand to strengthen and reinforce the parasites - the greater and stronger they become. Soon you would have say 46% of the population paying 'no taxes' - as they gain benefits that far outweigh their needs.

So - YES - Cancer cells are 'immortal' because the 'underlying system fails to recognize the threat they represent' to all the key structures and foundations vital to a healthy and vibrant LIFE (or society).

Cancer cells lose their 'immortality' when they underlying structures have nothing more to supply.

This my friend is what we need to modify and correct - and the underlying 'system' that keeps them in place and reinforces them are what need to be 'addressed' and 'corrected'. This will not happen by changing the hats - of someone we view as 'king'.


Steel_Magnolia said:
Quality of life. Not quantity. What if we figure out how to live to 150 but we still feel like we've been run through a screen door at 70?
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Now for the girls:

Quality of life - is everything - and the last thing they are looking for is some 'quick fix'.

But maybe we can learn from each other ;):) and find a path somewhere in the middle that makes it good for everyone.
 
Quality of life. Not quantity. What if we figure out how to live to 150 but we still feel like we've been run through a screen door at 70?
 
72Zorad said:
Basically they have identified that we are not 'designed' to die.

We age because our cells don't reproduce accurately, blah, blah, blah and a 'fix' is right around the corner at the current pace of research.

Anyway, the show basically said there are people alive today who will theoretically live forever. Due to accidental deaths the average lifespan will be about 2000 years but people won't die of old age/disease.

Me, I don't want to live to 2000......300-400 years would be good sufficient :)
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I have to admit - Good Title

First - we are totally designed to LIVE and live life to the fullest possible potiential. The more you discover the intregicate details of how the wide variety of organs interact with one another on a molecular level - the more you see how true this is.

The body itself is nothing more than a container to something that was never meant to die and in fact it's impossible to kill.

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But let's go to the ways of extending life for several hundred years.

1. Genetics: we have found numerous genes that offer a far longer lifespan.

2. Embryonic Stem Cells - Cloning (parts) - for periodic and regular replacements.

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Easy short cuts:
Put a small to medium sized gold fish in a large glass of water. Place it under a tree until either a squirrel or bird - drop their waste in it. (What is waste to them is 'priceless' to us). Add 1 pinch of salt - have 5 people unrelated to each other spit in the glass. Stir and drink.

That will add at least 25 to 30 years of excellent health and life.

Hard Way:
Eat and live healthy lifestyles
Maintain a constant state of 'hunger' - and stay thin
Exercise regularly (cardiovascular)
Maintain active and productive lives
Develop and strengthen social bonds - be emphathetic and giving
Frequently stimulate the brain in a wide and varried manner
Lose the stress and find 'freedom'
Let LOVE dominate everything you do and all you think
 
"That's a movie I'd like to see remade with modern special effects."

Remember the scene of Washington DC covered in vines and jungle? Then Peter Ustinov living in the capitol building with all those cats! :)
 
I believe that 49% of our society pay no taxes and some even collect free money with the earned income tax credit program. Those in the 15% AGI tax bracket will only pay 5% capital gains taxes - that's my target when my wife decides to retire. People think that they are lucky if they can replace their working income when retired - but they will continue to pay those taxes like they do now until they die. I don't want Sam in my pocket. Savings are not regarded as income - only the interest that is paid. If you can limit income you can save big.
 
Birchtree said:
I believe that any time you can control your AGI you are better off. As an investor, if the Bush program is extended, then the old rules still apply. That means the 10% AGI bracket has a 0% capital gains tax. Live on savings and don't take income to satisfy taxes - they are minimal. It just requires planning to beat the smucks like Obama.
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But that's the problem....Those who can't take care of themselves think the government will do it for them..... That is why you get people saying it is "good thing" the government controls our money....

God, and with Medicaid and Social Security to use as examples...... :mad:Another well thought idea thoroughly screwed up by the government.
 
I believe that any time you can control your AGI you are better off. As an investor, if the Bush program is extended, then the old rules still apply. That means the 10% AGI bracket has a 0% capital gains tax. Live on savings and don't take income to satisfy taxes - they are minimal. It just requires planning to beat the smucks like Obama.
 
I'll take my Anniuty myself and the Wifie gets 55% of mine when I exit stage RIGHT!:laugh::laugh::laugh::rolleyes:
 
The problem is that is income you can't control - which means taxes are due probably at higher and higher levels. With a defined contribution plan you take the money your way when you want it. That way you control your tax bracket to blend with other income.
 
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