Are we now immortal?

[Birchtree]

Now you're sounding more like that prescient Birchtree, and that's a good thing.

 

[nnuut]

Parasites have always been a problem, put them to work!!

 

[alevin]

to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303



http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303
the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO

 

[Buster]

to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303




the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO

We all know what happened and why...you say JOBS is the answer or solution?..Hmmm..I agree to some degree (a little rhyme for you)..But JOBS come from the PRIVATE sector, Not from give away no incentive welfare programs that imparts laziness and lack of SELF support as the liberal socialists want or endorse so much...Employers that have a need for workers..Employers that are not ham-strung at every turn in their business by the Feds meddling in thier business', forcing them to take their business to third world countries to escape ..Such as TAXes beyond reason, moritoriums to halt production (we know what I'm talking about here)..Forcing healthcare laws down their throats when they are doing fine before Obamacare..Crap like that is what deters making JOBS...The problem lies in DC and they are the ones that have the power to cripple the economy and they have.....Get rid of all the road blocks for employers and the JOBS will return.

 

[72Zorad]

So, the thread had changed a bit, which is fine by me. I find the new topic(s) interesting also.

I've been thinking about the need for jobs in this country. My son told me something I didn't know the other day (not sure of the truth). Seem the whole stereotype with Jews and money stems from many many years ago. As he explains it, way back when everyone bartered for what they needed/wanted with whatever skills they had. Someone proposed going to a monetary system and the majority of religions/people didn't approve of it so didn't adopt it, except for the Jewish community. So, fast forward quite a few years, and the social infrastructure changes such that everyone is somewhat forced to start using a monetary unit. Since the Jewish community had adopted it many years ago they 'had all the money'. Interesting story given the stereotypes we now have.

Anyway, I'm trying to think about this perception that everyone unemployed has that it is someone elses responsibility to create enough jobs so that there is one that fits their particular skill set. That's my whole issue with this. People are saying I'm a (insert your career here) and there are no jobs. I say it's time to broaden your scope of abilities. Maybe you're not a whatever....maybe you need to be something else. Look at the retired people who supplement their income by making birdhouses, stained glass windows, pottery.... And maybe you need to keep your current skill and approach it differently...many companies are interested in outsourcing. I'm an IT guy. Maybe my approach would be to approach companies that are paying other companies for service and tell them I'm now available anytime and can support them at a much lower cost because I don't have all the trappings of a big company (HR staff, legal staff, payroll staff.....)
Anyway, I think there has to be another solution than the market (society) doesn't have work for me and because of that the government (society again) has to take care of me until it does. You are competing with everyone else on this planet...what do you have to offer that is better than the next guy. Maybe that's the problem, maybe you are an obsolete unit and evolution needs to remove you from the species. That last line should solicit some debate:nuts:

 

[alevin]

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2010/10/08/ami-talks-in-flv-format/

discussion of entrepreneurial finance and debt-banking GDP implications begins at 19 minutes in. Debt growth-until the cancer runs out of host to feed on. Relationship between private debt and private employment-including entrepreneurs (good graphs) at minute 28. Major point at minute 34. whole hour was worth my time. YMMV.

 

[Steadygain]

Now you're sounding more like that prescient Birchtree, and that's a good thing.

My views have NEVER changed Birch - it's simply everyone has been so caught up in whatever piece of crap wears the crown; and all the more to actually believe that being a Rep or a Dem - makes any difference.


That's the only way I've stood out as looking so 'unknowing' and like such an idiot to everyone else.

The one who wears the crown has 'no power' to change the immense garbage that has been ruining our Country from one Admin. to the Next regardless of who wore the crown.

The 'Laws and Policies' that are solidly in place and increasing reinforced and broadened by the 'parasites' are all the more given their grounding by the 'candy asses' who only care about the image - keeping the population happy - winning votes - not making any waves.

So my Point - all along is - even if Vietnam vet Rep wore the crown with a woman VP - the WAR and the Economic Conditions - and the Bigger Government - and all the longstanding policies and regulations that make the 'Parasites' untouchable --- NONE of that would have changed.

We'd still have a bunch of garbage - and there is simply no way possible changing the 'Hat' - can change the historical circumstances and all the conditions that led to that change. ESPECIALLY when the underlying System mostly operates to 100% compete against each other. One is only in place to keep the other from doing 'any good'.

Parasites have always been a problem, put them to work!!

Thanks Norm. You now have the right to stand with CB, Buster, Birch, and me.

to do that, there needs to be JOBS! /QUOTE]

Sorry, I messed up your quote.

I completely acknowledge the need for 'jobs' to make it work and I've totally considered ways to make that happen.

1. Stop outsourceing to all the other Nations - because you can pay them less.
2. Make the 'parasites' take the exact same jobs that are 'outsourced' for the same pay. Money is Money and they have a right to make some.
3. Bring their status to a point where they refuse to live with the bare essentials - and I mean 'bare essentials'. They get caught 'abusing' what we are providing - then make sure there are consequences. Say limited energy supply and a bunch of other things that would be easy to implement.

Alevie - the PROBLEM is not 'Jobs' - the problem is 'The undeniable rights the parasites have and the present conditions by which it would be 'impossible' to challenge them'.

We 'can' provide the JOBS - and we (as a Country) could most certainly make them available; even if answering a phone or a ton of other things - but the 'underlying conditions' would have to be changed in a manner that 'FORCED' the population to be productive - to earn the perks - an active and productive life merits.

Many of these JOBS would be equally in line with LESS Corporate Coruption - and their interests over 'people'.

So I've factored in the need for Jobs.

BTW - - I also think we need 'More WOMEN' in control - to help the guys think and act better.

 

[Steadygain]

to do that, there needs to be JOBS! system isn't going to change til there are enough JOBS being created that create a net benefit to society, and ones that pay enough for people to survive with the basics. food, water, rent, basic utilities, transportation to get to their JOBS and to provide access to decent food, insurance to pay for the transportation if public transport or transport pooling is not available. net productivity/profit for a company rises when they lay off people and the remaining ones get to work harder and harder and harder for relatively less $/hour on average. where are the JOBS for the people that got laid off? 20% unemployment/underemployment already-not counting the kids graduating from high school/college coming into the workforce, people coming out of retirement into the workforce because their SS/savings interest payments are not covering increased costs of food and energy which are going up and up lately. not enough JOBS to put everyone to work that wants to work. not enough decent paying JOBS to cover the existing bills or money enough to allow people to get out from under and move to where the available JOBS are.

Birch, you'll appreciate this article-it speaks to the difficulties of young people from dysfunctional families coming out of the "system" into the "world", trying to find their way and having a hard time getting their lives underway.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/young-adults-are-new-face-of-homelessness/19678303




the credit/mortgage implosion/fraud uncovering-unravelling is still happening under our feet. Until it is allowed to finish imploding AND responsible people and companies (banks, etc) are indicted and held accountable and regulations and contract/property law enforced in ALL directions, there wont be enough JOBS or money to go around for a very long time to come. IMO

Well before I head home -- am now 1 hour late -- and the inlaws and everyone else are about to sit at the table and have dinner.

Sooooo NEED to fly


Anyway - when I wrote my other comment the only thing I barely glanced at was 'The JOBS' -- when I made my post.

Then got to thinkin' about my comment --- feeling bad for the New Zealand media guy -- who turned out to be 'Trashing' a lady because he's an idiot filled with 'hate' 'prejudism' 'narrow minded' and all the other Negative Things -- that keep people from thinking and living and expressing themselves as they should.

SOOO - If I missed something -- and perhaps said the wrong thing -- it's because I didn't read everything -- but glaced at 'Need for Jobs'

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2010/10/08/ami-talks-in-flv-format/

Debt growth-until the cancer runs out of host to feed on.

Amen!!! That's what I've been saying since 1985 when they started this mess.

Anyway -- mmmmmm -- to leave off on something good.

Enjoy the cold 'delightful weather' -- FALL is such a wonderful season and I enjoy the colors in the leaves ... using a little blanket and life in general and all it brings.

Have a great one everybody --- and Tom - I hope you especially can relax and let everything float on down the river.