Callme_CO
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I can't speak for squalebear but i'll tell you a good 90 percent of the inmates in my institution are from broken homes.
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Or you can now use TapaTalk again!Who is this guy?
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justbizness45
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Rant on: You guys need to quit B****** about who is at fault and worry more about making money and securing your retirement. This problem started in Clinton's era, bloomed at an exponential rate to the mess we have today. We have all contributed to this mess in one small way or another. Every president, senator, congressman and voter who voted these ineffective individuals into office. Rant over, I feel better,:cheesy:
Sounds like Benjamin Scafidi got a good job! He's got way too much time on his hands to make up these numbers BS numbers. And by the way - I would rather help our own (social welfare spending), then constantly giving money to needy foreign countries (ie., foreign welfare spending).
CountryBoy
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'Sanctions' sought in eligibility case President's attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public'
A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88746
Yeah, I know it's World Net Daily and some folks think its tabloid level, but all of this is public knowledge and if it would have been an elephant instead of a jack ass, everyone would be screaming for blood at the very least.
I'm really curious what this guy is hiding and why he doesn't end this controversy by simply supplying the necessary notarized items. We're having to have the dean of the college sign a piece of paper right now, so my daughter can get the good grade insurance reduction on her insurance. Is BHO above the law?
Instead he threatens anyone with legal action, if they dare question him and his supposed birthplace. We still have freedom of speech in this country and when someone fights like this to keep such simple records secret, it really sets off my BS meter. I know some of you don't care whether he can prove his US citizenship or not, but enough American citizens have voiced the concern and it would be a very simple thing to disspell these rumors if he can.
It's an honest question, and should be simple to answer, without BHO resorting to thuggish tactics and legalese. Where is the transparency he promised? Congress fell down on their responsibility to insure the Constitution is obeyed, they sure vetted he heck outta McCain.
This question has been raised time and time again and he avoids answering it. If the libs were intellectually honest, they would admit that thy would expect it from the other side.
It's a simple question, but "what is this guy hiding and why are so many of his followers fighting this so stringently and busting the chos of those of us that just want a simple answer.
I know I sure would've have let questions about my lineage go on this long without providing the facts to end this controversy.
CB
Silverbird
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Well, usually if you waste the court's time, you pay the fines. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and although it's out in the Pacific, it still qualifies as a U.S. State.:cheesy: He was NOT born in Nigeria. And if you want to be picky about his immigrant parent status, remember you are only talking about one of his parents, you know, the one who got a divorce and went back to Nigeria when the President was a one year old kid. Or does his mom's citizenship somehow not count when she's the one who brought him up?
They keep claiming they have something they never show, they say they have proof that Barak Obama was born in Nigeria, but don't bring out any document. They say there was a record of a Barak Obama coming into the States that was a Nigerian citizen - is it the dad, perhaps, or where's the proof? And they demand only original birth and college documents, and won't take copies and want to keep them as they claim copies can be forged and you can find some one to notorize anything, so notorization doesn't matter. They said this on the news, they want originals because they don't trust notorized documents, and want to be able to keep the orignals so they can "examine" them. Sorry, you don't get to keep someone else's original documents unless you are one of the signatories or that person, someone else has to be in the room and you do NOT get to keep even notorized copies, and definately NOT originals. And we are assuming that the originals still exist, I don't have a copy of my original college transcripts anymore, and I know I'm unsual in that my parents kept my original birth certificate, most people don't have their own. So what do you do with that kind of case except kick them in the wallet since you are never going to change their mind?Last edited:
McDuck
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Where's the proof?
CountryBoy
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I'd like to see some links where people who file frivolous lawsuits have to pay for them. From what I read and seen this isn't the case. This would be great if this was the case,
then people wouldn't have won the coffee, lawnmower or snowblower cases. But then lack of common sense or just plain stupidity ain't a crime.
And fine, we don't need to vet BHO's birth Certificate except it was required for McCain, but I ain't going to die on this hill. The subject is being shoved under the rug and it won't be the first or last thing that will be buried and some of us more conservative Americans will be chastised for havingthe audacity to ask such questions or ask for something closer to the truth thane canned responses d from the left. I had to show my Birth Certificate for to be hired by the DOD and also to be allowed on AEP's Cook Nuclear Power Plant, FBI back ground check and of course they don't get to keep them, I may be old, but I ain't stupid. But then I also have several notorized copies of my birth certificate and about 3 with the Seal on them. All ya got to do is go to the US Couthouse in the County you were born and they are on record. It's easy.
But as I've seen there are rules for us worker bees and a different for our royality. Again why he is hiding them and making it such a big deal.
And I still say he can end this very easily, by supplying the docs, I've had to do it several times. But damn, him andhis followers are fighting this tooth and nail, that alone speak volumes of something be hidden from the public. I've never know anyone who couldn't provide this documentation, but BHO must the outliar, but I smell a rat.
But sorry for being picky about asking for real documentation, but people sure get their bowels in an uproar for such a simple queston. And though public schools are crap, I do recall that Hawaii is a state.:cheesy:
CB
Silverbird
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Politifact.com
SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.
..As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver's license record from the Illinois Secretary of State's office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."
The ultimate document we sought was Obama's birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama's campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won't go away: He's Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.......
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
More analysis of the birth certificate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.htmlLast edited:
CountryBoy
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Illinois politics, the bastion of honesty and truthfulness. :laugh: Well if the St. Pete Times has said it, then it is gospel. Those of us that read it know how fair and balanced they are
, and answers some of my other concerns and questions.
So it works for me if it work for you.
CB
budnipper1
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Illinois politics, the bastion of honesty and truthfulness. :laugh: Well if the St. Pete Times has said it, then it is gospel. Those of us that read it know how fair and balanced they are, and answers some of my other concerns and questions.
So it works for me if it work for you. CB
Yep. It is better to suspect anything you read on the internet.View attachment 5795
Everything is subject to intentional "spin". This birth certificate
issue is far from being satisfactorily resolved. :suspicious:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm
James48843
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You know, I won't debate the certificate.
I believe he is a natural born American".
But the conspiracy theorists should have a field day with this-
you will notice the version of the certificate- revision of 11/01.
budnipper1
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Neither will I. Yes, I noticed the form version date.
I also noticed the ink stamp that shows up on the "copy"
of the birth certificate, but I know it doesn't prove or
disprove anything.
View attachment 5798
This is much more common within the minority prison population. However,
the numbers amongst non-minorities is growing at a very fast pace. The
weaker our economy gets, the higher the numbers will go. No matter who
is in the White House. The numbers are staggering and the outlook is grim.
(I didn't get a chance to read the entire topic, but I wanted to add my opinion anyway):embarrest:
budnipper1
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I'm curious as to what groups are now considered "non-minorities".
Also, to gauge social disorders as a function of a weak economy,
Which seems more likely? ...
A. The weaker the economy becomes, the higher the numbers will go...
OR...
B. The higher the numbers go, the weaker the ecomomy becomes.
(which came first; the chicken, or the egg?)
"I'm curious as to what groups are now considered "non-minorities".
A- There is only one (1) Group considered non-minorities. It is the group
that holds the largest population base in the country. But I have a funny
feeling that you knew that already. :cheesy:
"Social disorders as a function of a weak economy,"Which seems more likely?"
They are not seperate, they go hand-in-hand as Society exists today. But
I'm not knowledgable enough to tell you which came first. As far back as
the caveman I would think. There's always been the "Have's" and the "Have Not's". So I guess my answer to your question is a multiple one;
A and B,,,,,,Eggs for breakfast,,,,,,Chicken for dinner. :toung:
Buster
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Well if you really want to know...the answer is quite simple...Birds today as you know are direct descendants of dinosaurs (raptors) and Dinosaurs have not been proven to bear live young, (at least by any archaeological evidence) but only to lay clutches of eggs..So, to sum it up simply, the EGG came first in regards to the Chicken.
Now if you ever wondered about the other age old question...Here is actual photographic evidence as to the truth in this matter.
budnipper1
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Well, that's "simply" fascinating... :cheesy:
so, if the egg came first, where did that egg come from?
Buster
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If you weren't so busy playing human spell checker you would have deduced....Dinosaurs
budnipper1
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Linking Illegitimacy to Welfare
By Ben J. Wattenberg
A debate over whether the incentives implicit in welfare programs have a significant effect on out-of-wedlock birthrates has effectively been resolved in the affirmative. But the deniers remain in denial.
It’s tough for conservatives to make a buck these days. Consider crime. Conservatives said if you put more thugs in prison for longer sentences, violent crime would diminish. Why? Thugs in prison cannot mug your sister. More thugs have been put in prison, for longer sentences. As predicted, the violent crime rate has gone down.
But conservatives get little credit. Pop sociologists attribute the drop in crime to new policing techniques, the aging of Baby Boomers, a stronger economy, and fading crack wars. So what? What’s important is that people are safer than they used to be, right? Not right. Progress comes from answering the question: Why?
The Outlines of the Debate
Consider now welfare. Liberals denied any serious link between climbing welfare benefits and climbing rates of illegitimate birth. Such linkage, they believed, would tarnish a noble program by connecting it to ignoble acts.
Conservatives said welfare was a horror show that demeaned both getter and giver. They posited that if welfare were made less attractive, particularly for teen-agers, then illegitimate birth rates would go down, particularly among blacks and Hispanics where out-of-wedlock rates had been highest. This did not necessarily mean that minority teen-agers were having babies to get a welfare check. It could involve a more positive process: Responsible behavior rises in reaction to a lack of viable irresponsible economic alternatives and to the cessation of messages by governments that out-of-wedlock birth is a socially acceptable lifestyle.
Welfare has indeed been made less attractive. As predicted, illegitimate teen-age birth rates have tumbled sharply, particularly among blacks and Hispanics. New data from the National Center for Health Statistics show out-of-wedlock births for blacks fell by 21 percent from 1991 to 1996. Hispanic rates have fallen by 10 percent from 1994 to 1996. The non-Hispanic white rate has fallen by 4 percent during the same time.
Again, no credit to conservative thinking. (Not an oxymoron.) A July 1 front-page story in the New York Times has determined what caused the decline in teen-age minority fertility. It was mostly the economy, stupid. The Times offered reasons put forth by "federal health officials" and "people who monitor fertility rates." These: a booming economic situation, improved contraception use, sex education, abstinence campaigns, and fear of AIDS.
But what about the idea that welfare reform made benefits harder to come by and illegitimacy less feasible? Sorry, says the Times: "Changes in the welfare system have not been a significant factor, according to some people who monitor fertility rates. Noting that out-of-wedlock birth rates for black women have been dropping steadily since 1989, they assert that the decline started before states and the federal government enacted welfare reform measures."
Wrong. Welfare reforms in the states, facilitated by federal "waivers," had gained steam since Ronald Reagan’s first term, when waivers were granted if they were dedicated to the idea that "work is an obligation." In 1991 the Bush administration made the waiver process "easier and quicker."
Bill Clinton is the hero of the middle game. In 1991 he pledged generally "no more something for nothing" and specifically to "end welfare as we know it," the six most important words in recent American political history. Right after his inauguration, Mr. Clinton told the National Governors Association that he would continue and expand the Reagan-Bush waiver policy. By mid-1996, 43 states had some form of welfare waiver. From 1994 to 1996 welfare rolls fell by 11 percent, from 14.2 million recipients to 12.6 million. Clintonites ought to be in brag mode. Instead, they seem afraid to offend liberal sensibilities.
The end game concerned the dramatic 1996 federal welfare reform bill, tougher than the Clinton plan, driven in large measure by the Gingrich Congress. One million people left the welfare rolls in 1996 alone, mostly because of what welfare technicians called an "announcement effect," that is, behavior based not on present reality but on new expectations of future reality.
In fact, the announcement effect had been going on for years. The culture had changed. Society would no longer send out messages that out-of-wedlock births were acceptable, backing them up with cash grants, food stamps, rent supplements, Medicaid, and 80 other welfare programs.
Continuing to Drop
From the beginning of 1997 to March 1998, the welfare rolls have been reduced by another 29 percent, to 8.9 million. When the birth rates are published for these years, we should see minority teen-age fertility drop further. Linkage lives. Welfare did not go down just because of a good economy. During the boom of the early 1980s, welfare went up, not down, revealing how the existing system had been corrupted.
Of course, it’s good that welfare is down. But it is important we understand why. Something for nothing is corrosive policy, damned by recipients as well as taxpayers. Something for something is what works, and should serve as a motto for other decisions.
http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.9330/pub_detail.asp
Liberalists (and children), have no concept of responsible behavior. They expect their government (and parents) to provide for their needs, unconditionally. As long as an undisciplined child is rewarded equally for behaving or for misbehaving, the child will likely never fully mature or become independent. The spoiled brat was never taught the difference between good and bad or right and wrong.
(They also believe that chickens were hatched from dinosaur eggs that magically appeared out of thin air) :laugh:
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