Who is this guy?

[James48843]

I was reading fat wallet last night, and they have a thread discussing the $15000 tax credit for buying a home. And this is a credit, not an interest free loan for 15 years. This is $19 billion of the package being considered. The abuse of just this part of the program is going to be awful. People who don't qualify because they bought a house in the past few months are furious. And others are trying to figure out how to trade houses with their neighbor, or buy their girl/boy friends house to qualify.

Let me see if I got this right.

Dems propose a stimulus bill, after the republican controlled administration for eight years let uncontrolled spending, two wars, and an unregulated banking industry go hog wild and take down the economy. Then the republicans yell for tax cuts to fix everything. So the dems propose a 15K tax credit to jump start home sales. So then the republicans scream that a 15K tax credit for new home sales is a bad thing.

Yeh, I get it.

Dems cut $137 billion out of the stimulus package in an effort to placate republican objections, but republicans still object ot everything.

From where I sit- this is what it looks like to me. The right wing cares nothing about humanity. They care nothing about fixing the economy. They are bankrupt of ideas. The only thing they care about is right-wing power. Plain and simple.

If they can't have everything their way, then they will poison any attempt at fixing things.

That's what it look like, anyway.

Yes, it would have been nice if dems brought republicans into the room during the writing of the House bill. They are being consulted now, and have been given billions in compromises already.

But if republican ideas were valid, why is it that after eight years of Republican control of the White House, and 6 of the last eight years with republican control of BOTH HOUSES of the Senate, you only give the new Congress and Administration two weeks to fix what took eight years to break? If republican ideas to fix the economy were valid,and worked- we'd be in the greatest economic situations right now, wouldn't we?

I say let's let the Senate work out what they can, and then let's pass a Stimulus bill, and see what happens.

It sure couldn't be a whole lot worse than what we've had out of the results of last eight years.

 

[momacs]

Momacs,

A well reasoned and executed and budgeted spending program would have some benefit. However, let us look at the big picture. What will be created over the next few years from the Porkulus Bill that will continue to offer support to America's economy.

• A hydroelectric power dam. Nope.
• An improved freeway between LA and Las Vegas. Nope.
• Some nuclear power plants that will reduce the use of coal, gas, and oil plants. Nope.

The problem President Obama has with Democratic ideas of stimulus is that they can't stimulate anything but love-ins without pissing off huge parts of their constituency. So, those morons settle for the dinky, small, and insignificant things they do so well. Maybe a bunch of post offices – right as I type this entry into an online blog. Maybe an AIDS clinic in Topeka. Maybe another anti-smoking campaign add.

Nobody in 2060 will stand atop a President Obama inspired TVA dam - generating power for millions of citizens - and wonder at the foresight and drive and American go-get-it-doneness of the new New Deal.

This new New Deal’s debt load will be punishing those people - and will have been spent on STD education decades past. Remember, Momacs, No Glove – No Love. That is advice Pelosi thinks cost billions.

I was reading fat wallet last night, and they have a thread discussing the $15000 tax credit for buying a home. And this is a credit, not an interest free loan for 15 years. This is $19 billion of the package being considered. The abuse of just this part of the program is going to be awful. People who don't qualify because they bought a house in the past few months are furious. And others are trying to figure out how to trade houses with their neighbor, or buy their girl/boy friends house to qualify.

Sellers in the depressed housing areas aren't going to lower their prices because of this $15000 of free money the buyers are going to receive, and sellers in rest of the country, are just going to jack up their selling price to try to get it.
This isn't going to do anything to restore the confidence of the American people. The proprosed 4% interest rate for refinancing or for buying a house has been dropped from the bill.

I'm starting to think the stimulus package isn't going to help at all. And I was totally against the Tarp program. It'd be awful, but maybe they should just go ahead and let everything go and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[XL-entLady]

I love ya, CB, but I really thought this cartoon was funny.

Lady

 

[Boghie]

What kind of spending do you think would stimulate the economy? The trickle down theory with tax cuts has been tried and it doesn't work.
Do you think there shouldn't be a stimulus package at all?
I agree that there was alot of crap in the Democratic house's stimulus bill. But there was some good things in there also. I hope they are fine tuning it in the Senate.
I thought the extension of unemployment benefits was good (the states need help paying for this, so giving the states some of the money is necessary) this isn't going to create any jobs, but it is necessary with the millions of people who are out of work.
Tax credits for businesses buying equipment or hiring new workers, this would bring some jobs.
Roads and bridges definately need some work
Weatherizing government buildings, this would create jobs and will help save energy.
I don't know what all else is in the package, I wonder if they have it online somewhere.

Momacs,

A well reasoned and executed and budgeted spending program would have some benefit. However, let us look at the big picture. What will be created over the next few years from the Porkulus Bill that will continue to offer support to America's economy.

• A hydroelectric power dam. Nope.
• An improved freeway between LA and Las Vegas. Nope.
• Some nuclear power plants that will reduce the use of coal, gas, and oil plants. Nope.

The problem President Obama has with Democratic ideas of stimulus is that they can't stimulate anything but love-ins without pissing off huge parts of their constituency. So, those morons settle for the dinky, small, and insignificant things they do so well. Maybe a bunch of post offices – right as I type this entry into an online blog. Maybe an AIDS clinic in Topeka. Maybe another anti-smoking campaign add.

Nobody in 2060 will stand atop a President Obama inspired TVA dam - generating power for millions of citizens - and wonder at the foresight and drive and American go-get-it-doneness of the new New Deal.

This new New Deal’s debt load will be punishing those people - and will have been spent on STD education decades past. Remember, Momacs, No Glove – No Love. That is advice Pelosi thinks cost billions.

 

[McDuck]

But if all you know about Goebbels is his role as Propaganda Minister, you may want to look into this little event called Kristallnacht that is attributed to him. Wiki says that night killed 91 jews and sent another 25,000-30,000 to concentration camps.

 

[Birchtree]

You can bet that ChemEng will change his tune when his kids start public schools. That will be awhile yet but it's coming. He and I have already had our discussion on this topic. Public schools are preparing to start serving dinner after school along with the reduced lunch for the at risk bunch - it's one way to save money and separate that single parent from total responsibility. Yes, social engineering is wonderful and so is the prison system as one reaches into adulthood. And again "Atlas Shrugged".

 

[tsptalk]

I think it's ironic and disgusting for someone having "moderator" credentials to turn so many forum discussions into pissing contests with arrogant and flaming comments.

As a moderator, ChemEng's job is to enforce the rules and watch out for spammers, and he does a fine job. It's a volunteer position and he's still allowed to voice his opinions. I don't necessarily agree with his opinions, but he's allowed to express them, and I did not see any flaming. Politics are always tough to discuss.

All opinions expressed by our moderators on this website are solely the moderator's opinions and do not reflect the opinions of TSP Talk or their parent company.

 

[CountryBoy]

And my opinion is that everyone has had enough caffeine today. Time to chill.

Lady

Chilling commencing ma'am.

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

What kind of spending do you think would stimulate the economy? The trickle down theory with tax cuts has been tried and it doesn't work.
Do you think there shouldn't be a stimulus package at all?
I agree that there was alot of crap in the Democratic house's stimulus bill. But there was some good things in there also. I hope they are fine tuning it in the Senate.
I thought the extension of unemployment benefits was good (the states need help paying for this, so giving the states some of the money is necessary) this isn't going to create any jobs, but it is necessary with the millions of people who are out of work.
Tax credits for businesses buying equipment or hiring new workers, this would bring some jobs.
Roads and bridges definately need some work
Weatherizing government buildings, this would create jobs and will help save energy.
I don't know what all else is in the package, I wonder if they have it online somewhere.

I wasn't for the bailout from TARP 1, but sense BHO touted this as a Ifras. Stim. Pack, that's what I expect, not a single percentage to actual infras and yeah there were some good stuff in the bill hopefully they'll add more. The extension of unemployment bennies, though should have been in an
appropriation bill,I can live with it in this bill.

Tax credits for businesses buying equipment or hiring new workers, this would bring some jobs.
Roads and bridges definately need some work
Weatherizing government buildings, this would create jobs and will help save energy.
I don't know what all else is in the package, I wonder if they have it online somewhere. I agree with ya on these, but weatherizing some government buildings, based on age, structure type etc, it may be less expensive to just totally rebuild.

Trickle down or trickle up the job creators need to get money in their pockets or nothing will get done.

I'll sign off now cause I can feel Lady give me the evil eye for not listening to her. Sorry Lady.

There are a couple of sites out there that have the package listed, but I've gottem linked at the office, but I've posted 2 or lists on here somewhere. Google will probably lead to some lists. This was my edit.

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

CB, don't let CE rain on your parade. It's obvious that he loves and defends Obama and all that spews from the pie-holes of most other left-wingers who want to "change" our country to fit their socialistic ideas. (notice he began his protest by posting "Rule #1").

Does that sound harsh? Let me answer that. Yes!

I think it's ironic and disgusting for someone having "moderator" credentials to turn so many forum discussions into pissing contests with arrogant and flaming comments. I hear enough of that kind of childish crap on C-span. Maybe he should go back to the college that he proudly professes to have graduated and take a couple of refresher courses in intelligent debating techniques.

As for my involvement in further debate about my comments on this matter, there will be none from me. I said it and I meant it. Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one.
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Yep budnipper,

Everyone has one and thankfuly we still have the freedom to express it. Nah CE rain on my parade, I actually have a couple of card carrying socialist and actually only vote that way, now they can debate, CE is like dealing with a lawyer.

He is the first Mod I've ever met who likes to flame and doesn't really discuss the linked article, but he'll sure rise to the bait quick enough on others POV on the article, but not the facts in the article. He's kinda circular in his thinking, rarely does he express what he stays for or about.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend,
CB
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[momacs]

What kind of spending do you think would stimulate the economy? The trickle down theory with tax cuts has been tried and it doesn't work.
Do you think there shouldn't be a stimulus package at all?
I agree that there was alot of crap in the Democratic house's stimulus bill. But there was some good things in there also. I hope they are fine tuning it in the Senate.
I thought the extension of unemployment benefits was good (the states need help paying for this, so giving the states some of the money is necessary) this isn't going to create any jobs, but it is necessary with the millions of people who are out of work.
Tax credits for businesses buying equipment or hiring new workers, this would bring some jobs.
Roads and bridges definately need some work
Weatherizing government buildings, this would create jobs and will help save energy.
I don't know what all else is in the package, I wonder if they have it online somewhere.

 

[XL-entLady]

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one.

And my opinion is that everyone has had enough caffeine today. Time to chill.

Lady

 

[budnipper1]

CB, don't let CE rain on your parade. It's obvious that he loves and defends Obama and all that spews from the pie-holes of most other left-wingers who want to "change" our country to fit their socialistic ideas. (notice he began his protest by posting "Rule #1").

Does that sound harsh? Let me answer that. Yes!

I think it's ironic and disgusting for someone having "moderator" credentials to turn so many forum discussions into pissing contests with arrogant and flaming comments. I hear enough of that kind of childish crap on C-span. Maybe he should go back to the college that he proudly professes to have graduated and take a couple of refresher courses in intelligent debating techniques.

As for my involvement in further debate about my comments on this matter, there will be none from me. I said it and I meant it. Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one.
​

 

[ChemEng]

You must try to understand the term analogy or parallel or correlation, I know it's one of those terms, that can be used to expalin what we are going thru or can be related to.

What is the correlation you are making exactly?

Our discussion is over, when you fail to even recognize the possibility of this being the beginning of one the of the most horrible times in human history or the mere mention causes you to tune out.

Right now could always be the beginning the most horrible times in human history. Chicken Little could have also been right. The sky could have been falling. Except that it wasn't, and in that story they all got eaten.

And using Wiki as a source is questionable at best, since the last I checked data can be amended at will and I only really use it as more of a Readers Digest or Cliff Notes version of anything, especially history. But each to his own level of comfort.

Umm, that is exactly how I used it? I'm not using it as a primary source for anything. But seems we agree that it serves as an awful good reference for those looking for a starting point.

BHO's not blaming the Jews, except for the ME problems ..yet

Wow.

 

[CountryBoy]

I'm not really interested in debating history. But if all you know about Goebbels is his role as Propaganda Minister, you may want to look into this little event called Kristallnacht that is attributed to him. Wiki says that night killed 91 jews and sent another 25,000-30,000 to concentration camps. Is that really the comparison you are trying to make?

That aside, I was referring to Godwin's Law. One of the corollaries of Godwin's Law is that an internet discussion is over as soon as someone brings up the Nazi's.


Wow.

Good then we won,t debate history and yeah I know more about Goebbels than Kristallnacht, but thanks for running thru it for those who give that aren't.

So I take it from your failure to reposne to the gist of the post, that you are comfortable with a Infrastucture stimulus package evolving into a welfare wish list. If so, then game, point and match to you since as BHO is constantly reminding us that you all won and we lost. I can except that, but I still retain the right to call BS whenever feds do I disagree with or will hurt the future of this country, at least until the Supremes get packed. I know that galls you winners, but that's life in a democracy.

You must try to understand the term analogy or parallel or correlation, I know it's one of those terms, that can be used to expalin what we are going thru or can be related to. But I'm sure you'll correct me on my incorrect use of words. Oh BTW, I knew you have some attorney gentics in you when you fell back to Godwins Law. :laugh:

Our discussion is over, when you fail to even recognize the possibility of this being the beginning of one the of the most horrible times in human history or the mere mention causes you to tune out.

And using Wiki as a source is questionable at best, since the last I checked data can be amended at will and I only really use it as more of a Readers Digest or Cliff Notes version of anything, especially history. But each to his own level of comfort.


Have a good one and enjoy the next 4 years since you won,

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

You know, we've had a new president all of two weeks, and it is clear the honeymoon is over, eh?

Time to break out a cold one, relax, take a deep breath CB- you work too hard.

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Thanks Bullishreturn,

Just about 3 more hours and the sun will be over the yard arm....somewhere.

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

CB my friend, just be mindful of that blood pressure, you GOF. :laugh:

Lady

Thank ya Lady,

I was thinking of your words and thoughts as I typed my rant. I'm the type of person who has the initially blowup and then after that I just post documnted facts, thought provoking analogies and being the occasion smart a$$. :nuts:

Your concern a couple of weeks ago was my blowing off steam. After the I accept the facts, but won't rollover to what I perceive is wrong and the analogies of what this country is going thru is blame as the nose on our face.

Another hypocritical action the libs are perpetrating now is the rush to get this social package passed. They raked Paulson over the coals for rushing thru the first TARP, which I didn't want nor am I a defender of Paulson, who by the way was side by side with gaether on the first TARP, but I digress.

The latest Rasmassun sp? poll late last week showed 60% of the public don't think this will work, that's why BHO is trying to rush this thru and bullying anyone who dares question any part of it. There is something wrong with that.

We have to get this right, because we don't have the funds for another try and I just feel that the is not a stimulus package but a big welfare giveaway. And when this fails, look out below, 93% of this package is approriated to the non job productive part of society and 7% is job stimulus.

We lost our way and got way off point with this jobs stimulus package, because as I mentioned earlier, Rahim (gotta watch some sensitivites with him ) has told BHO that this is the golden opportunity to turn this country into a grand socialist/welfare experiment. Those words are public record and I have yet seen any country that has been successful with socialism/communism/marxism, heck even Karl himself renounced Marxism before he died, becase they had bastardized it.

Thanks for the reminder though, I appreciate it, but I have always enjoyed a good debate.

I sure miss a few of folks, hopefully they are lurking.

Take Care,
CB

 

[ChemEng]

I'm not really interested in debating history. But if all you know about Goebbels is his role as Propaganda Minister, you may want to look into this little event called Kristallnacht that is attributed to him. Wiki says that night killed 91 jews and sent another 25,000-30,000 to concentration camps. Is that really the comparison you are trying to make?

That aside, I was referring to Godwin's Law. One of the corollaries of Godwin's Law is that an internet discussion is over as soon as someone brings up the Nazi's.

BHO's not blaming the Jews, except for the ME problems ..yet

Wow.

 

[James48843]

You know, we've had a new president all of two weeks, and it is clear the honeymoon is over, eh?

Time to break out a cold one, relax, take a deep breath CB- you work too hard.

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[XL-entLady]

CB my friend, just be mindful of that blood pressure, you GOF. :laugh:

Lady