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[Whipsaw]

One more thing... over 110,000 restaurants have closed permanently nationwide, consider the employees and their livelihoods, the supply chains affected and those employees, etc. That is easily over a million people affected, and just one sector of the economy.

 

[weatherweenie]

Nonsense. The shutdown is an effort to stem a highly contagious virus. Desperate times, call for desperate measures.

Didn't ask for a check, though it is being spent to support the local economy, which has been shutdown (many think unnecessarily, consider H1N1...) by the government. This shutdown, in violation of the Bill of Rights, is destroying peoples livelihoods - that is the outcome of socialism.

 

[weatherweenie]

Begs the question, with millions of more employees in the restaurant industry, why didn't they get included in the bailout, compared to the airline industry?

One more thing... over 110,000 restaurants have closed permanently nationwide, consider the employees and their livelihoods, the supply chains affected and those employees, etc. That is easily over a million people affected, and just one sector of the economy.

 

[ravensfan]

:soapbox:fftopic::thumbsdown::sucks:

 

[tsptalk]

OK folks, we're starting to go too far. If you want to talk about policies civilly, give it a shot. Once we start attacking people instead of debating the issues, we move into the bad place.

We've been down this road before and we know how it ends.

We don't have any specific rule about politics, but the rules are being bent.

https://www.tsptalk.com/mb/rules-tos-and-info-please-read/3295-rules-guidelines-tos.html

 

[Valkyrie]

Begs the question, with millions of more employees in the restaurant industry, why didn't they get included in the bailout, compared to the airline industry?

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14742

 

[weatherweenie]

Doesn't seem right/fair.

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14742

 

[weatherweenie]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...rumps-coronavirus-relief-plans-103402731.html

“The biggest omission in the federal response so far is assistance to states and assistance to localities,” Furman, now an economics professor at Harvard, explained on Yahoo FInance’s YFi PM. “The basic economic logic of all of the efforts being made so far is that the one entity in the economy that can borrow and borrow at low rates in an unlimited fashion is the federal government.”

 

[Whipsaw]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...rumps-coronavirus-relief-plans-103402731.html

“The biggest omission in the federal response so far is assistance to states and assistance to localities,” Furman, now an economics professor at Harvard, explained on Yahoo FInance’s YFi PM. “The basic economic logic of all of the efforts being made so far is that the one entity in the economy that can borrow and borrow at low rates in an unlimited fashion is the federal government.”

...the Constitution has left most police authority and public health safety to the states in our system of federalism. The Framers believed liberties and powers were safest when held closest to citizens in local and state governments. Elected officials at the local and state levels are more readily held accountable than unknown Washington bureaucrats. Of course, with authority comes responsibility, and the latter notion is not always as welcomed as the former.

...the authority held by governors is only as effective as each governor. This means that, as I noted in 2003, a state may be “cursed with some dimwit” who fails to take necessary precautions or sufficient measures.States remain in the best position to address emergencies, and such laws gave governors ample authority to act. But they did relatively little in the next two decades to prepare for public health emergencies. A New York Health Department task force report in 2015 has resurfaced, warning that the state faces a shortage of 15,000 ventilators in a pandemic. While the report did not call for stockpiling supplies, states clearly have not done enough, individually or collectively, to set aside such resources.


[h=1]Governors should focus on tackling coronavirus rather than shift blame[/h]https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/489968-governors-should-focus-on-tackling-coronavirus-rather-than-shift-blame

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Awesome points Whipsaw! You are spot on!

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

One more thing... over 110,000 restaurants have closed permanently nationwide, consider the employees and their livelihoods, the supply chains affected and those employees, etc. That is easily over a million people affected, and just one sector of the economy.

Begs the question, with millions of more employees in the restaurant industry, why didn't they get included in the bailout, compared to the airline industry?

Who says restaurants were not included? Aren't they small businesses? PPP. oh yeah, politics were being played...slow walking the bill. Then mom and pop left out to dry while big banks picked winners and losers. Now it ran out of money...more slow walking to pass the next one …..in the interim, back at the ranch...…. folks swamping food pantries and restaurants folding.....Congress with years and years of experience knew the piece of **** they were writing...can't convince me otherwise!

 

[weatherweenie]

It would be great if all politicians, from the President on down would be able to quit trying to shift blame.

Governors should focus on tackling coronavirus rather than shift blame

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...-tackling-coronavirus-rather-than-shift-blame

 

[Whipsaw]

Don't move the goal posts; of course shifting blame is a bad thing. In this case, it is the primary responsibility of the Governor's of the States to plan accordingly and be prepared to handle a crisis, in this instance the Wuhan Virus. Spending what limited resources they have on pet projects such as solar panel factories (which is the responsibility of private business if economically sound (the factory failed BTW), rather than ventilators, as occurred in NY was unconscionable. Then to throw up their hands and blame the Federal Gov't is ridiculous. The article above claiming the Feds should have responsibility because they have deep pockets is ludicrous, and a slap in the face to taxpayers.

 

[nasa1974]

Before this whole thing escalates, let's stop talking politics.

 

[weatherweenie]

The article above claiming the Feds should have responsibility because they have deep pockets is ludicrous, and a slap in the face to taxpayers.

Of course the Feds are accountable to the state and local governments, in the time of emergency. We had a catastrophic flood in 2013 that devastated the town of Lyons, CO. With your logic, the town and state shouldn't expect to get assistance from the Feds.

Same thing is going on now.

 

[Whipsaw]

Of course the Feds are accountable to the state and local governments, in the time of emergency. We had a catastrophic flood in 2013 that devastated the town of Lyons, CO. With your logic, the town and state shouldn't expect to get assistance from the Feds.

Same thing is going on now.

No, they're not; Feds are there to assist, if needed. You didn't read the article...

"Federal disaster relief and control is a relatively recent phenomenon. The response to the Galveston hurricane in 1900, with some 12,000 dead, was almost entirely by Texas. After the San Francisco earthquake in 1906, with around 3,000 dead, federal troops helped maintain order and establish medical units, but the recovery was primarily an effort by California. The Federal Emergency Management Agency was not created until 1979. Its mandate was to coordinate national responses to assist state and local governments in disasters. It was never meant to shift control."

 

[weatherweenie]

Distinction without a difference. Assistance in the form of financial and material aid.

No, they're not; Feds are there to assist, if needed. You didn't read the article...

"Federal disaster relief and control is a relatively recent phenomenon. The response to the Galveston hurricane in 1900, with some 12,000 dead, was almost entirely by Texas. After the San Francisco earthquake in 1906, with around 3,000 dead, federal troops helped maintain order and establish medical units, but the recovery was primarily an effort by California. The Federal Emergency Management Agency was not created until 1979. Its mandate was to coordinate national responses to assist state and local governments in disasters. It was never meant to shift control."

 

[ravensfan]

Before this whole thing escalates, let's stop talking politics.

Guess they didn't learn from Tom's stern warning the other day. Like my aunt used to say, "They made their beds, now lay in it".

So nasa, who do you like at number 10 in tonight's draft for your Browns???

 

[tsptalk]

Most of you are doing a good job of discussing the issues, but I can see some still want to attack others who disagree.

I am going to start giving one week bans to those who can't stick to the topic and continue to make personal attacks.

Some of you older members knows how poisonous this can get and I won't let it go that far again.

This is your 2nd warning!

Try to moderate this thread if you don't mind, ww. Thanks.

No personal attacks. Stick to the issues.

Here's an example of what's OK:

"I disagree with that and here's why"

What's not OK:

"You liberal / republican idiologs are braindead and do whatever your party tells you."

Got it?

OK folks, we're starting to go too far. If you want to talk about policies civilly, give it a shot. Once we start attacking people instead of debating the issues, we move into the bad place.

We've been down this road before and we know how it ends.

We don't have any specific rule about politics, but the rules are being bent.

https://www.tsptalk.com/mb/rules-tos-and-info-please-read/3295-rules-guidelines-tos.html

 

[nasa1974]

So nasa, who do you like at number 10 in tonight's draft for your Browns???

Actually I haven't paid too much attention to the draft. Since Joe Thomas retired we really need a good left tackle. My guess is they will pick the best player available at the #10. The local stations think they will trade the 10 spot.