TSP Poker Club

[alevin]

we need the rest of the crew to weigh in now.

 

[burrocrat]

we need the rest of the crew to weigh in now.

yep. good idea.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Hi, UQ...thanks for having served this season!!:smile:

I second anyone who has not yet been seconded.
I like the alternating Sunday/Monday single tournament schedule.

If you need someone to schedule games or just help out, I can do that.
My busy season is about over.

 

[jpcavin]

I nominate DBA and I second Alevin

 

[alevin]

I second DBA, yay!

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Current voting status:

Raising Games per Next Season onward:
Current: 8

PRO: Eight is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: Increasing the number will be detrimental to the club in the long run. If a member can only make one day of the two, they are only able to play 6 or 7 games. They will not be able to compete with those whose stats include 10 games. Our purpose is not to compete with the WSOP. We must first be about fun. If everyone can play 6 games, why not only judge 6 games. It's not really that serious. Please post to change/add to this argument.

userque: 6
att: whatever the majority decides
FS: whatever the majority decides
JPC: 10
burro: 10
winter: 10
k0n: 10

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
k0n: Yes, 17
JPC: Yes, 17
DBA: Yes, 17

Give Points for Last Place:
CURRENT: No

PRO:
Last place should make more points than someone that doesn't even play. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON:
Last place should not make more points than someone that doesn't even play. No 'participation points'. Everyone is GUARANTEED at least last place, if you enter. Plus, changing this would change the values for all other places as well. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: Yes
k0n: No
FS: whatever the majority decides

sorry guys....ok...so don't groan... I just read the whole thing. I thought you all were going to have 10 of 13 for current season and that we were voting on 17 of 23 for next season. My vote is not to change the current method, especially if it creates more work for anyone. Whatever it is now is what it should stay as far as I'm concerned. Not sure it makes any difference at this point. But if it does would UQ come back?????

P.S. I just read the nomination, second, etc... if you want to change your minds you definitely can. You won't hurt my feelings. Really!!!!!!! so when do we vote????

 

[alevin]

oops I lost sight of the 17 of 23 part of the conversation, applied to next season . got it mixed up with the 10 of 13 proposed as rule change for this season, translated it to 10 of 23 for next season somewhere along the way. don't know if that changes anything for me or anyone else as far as going into the next season-which is what I chose to focus on.

think I'll just sit in the corner and be quiet now.

I think I'll just be quiet now.

 

[jpcavin]

The vote was to change this season to 17 of 23(or another number) or leave as is 8 of 23. The 10 of 13 was for next season.

It was not clear to me that most of our games would be thrown out. This season does not count for prizes so it should not be such a big deal to include all or most of the games. Would like to have seen how we all did with no freebies.

 

[alevin]

so I'm not as confused as I thought I was. I'm good with 10 of 13 for next season. I wasn't paying close attention to the prize conversation for this season and those earlier decisions about that very closely, as I didn't have any personal investment in that decision, not with my beginner playing skills or lack thereof.

so I leave it to the players in the top half of the cadre for this season to finalize the prize contest metrics for the current season.

 

[FogSailing]

Hope you hit all 7s on the slots Nuutt!!!!Best of luck. You'll have a great time. My guess is that there is some barbeque, good bourbon, and a little beach time mixed in there as well. Enjoy!!

FS

 

[tsptalk]

Is there anything more to it than scheduling the tournaments?

What are the default settings?

9 players / table?
$500 + $30
Payout? Top what %?
Format: regular?
10 minute blind intervals?

I don't mind doing that, but I guessing there's more to it.

 

[userque]

Is there anything more to it than scheduling the tournaments?

What are the default settings?

9 players / table?
$500 + $30
Payout? Top what %?
Format: regular?
10 minute blind intervals?

I don't mind doing that, but I guessing there's more to it.

That's about it. I'll help whoever takes over in this regard.

But off the top of my head, they'll have to "start" a "Home Game Club" first. Name it. Set the theme. Set the logo. Set season length. etc. etc. Just go through the settings. If you see something you're not sure about, post here and I'm certain burro or I can help.

 

[userque]

The vote was to change this season to 17 of 23(or another number) or leave as is 8 of 23. The 10 of 13 was for next season.

It was not clear to me that most of our games would be thrown out. This season does not count for prizes so it should not be such a big deal to include all or most of the games. Would like to have seen how we all did with no freebies.

The stats for ALL the games have always been available and posted, whether the contest is determined by 8 or 17 or any other number. The contest rules don't have to be changed to see the stats for ALL games, iow.

 

[userque]

Current voting status (Changes have an '*' by them):

Raising Games per Next Season onward:
Current: 8

PRO: Eight is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: Increasing the number will be detrimental to the club in the long run. If a member can only make one day of the two, they are only able to play 6 or 7 games. They will not be able to compete with those whose stats include 10 games. Our purpose is not to compete with the WSOP. We must first be about fun. If everyone can play 6 games, why not only judge 6 games. It's not really that serious. Please post to change/add to this argument.

userque: 6
att: whatever the majority decides
FS: whatever the majority decides
JPC: 10
burro: 10
winter: 10
k0n: 10

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
k0n: Yes, 17
JPC: Yes, 17
DBA: No ***********

Give Points for Last Place:
CURRENT: No

PRO:
Last place should make more points than someone that doesn't even play. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON:
Last place should not make more points than someone that doesn't even play. No 'participation points'. Everyone is GUARANTEED at least last place, if you enter. Plus, changing this would change the values for all other places as well. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: Yes
k0n: No
FS: whatever the majority decides

 

[userque]

sorry guys....ok...so don't groan... I just read the whole thing. I thought you all were going to have 10 of 13 for current season and that we were voting on 17 of 23 for next season. My vote is not to change the current method, especially if it creates more work for anyone. Whatever it is now is what it should stay as far as I'm concerned. Not sure it makes any difference at this point. But if it does would UQ come back?????

P.S. I just read the nomination, second, etc... if you want to change your minds you definitely can. You won't hurt my feelings. Really!!!!!!! so when do we vote????

Thanks DBA! But I believe the Q boat is preparing to dive. If you take over, I'm sure you'll do great!

 

[userque]

There are ways to give additional admin privileges in the club. I'm not sure what that empowered them to do, but maybe it includes creating games.

I believe that is correct. Create and delete games.

However, you can set the games to be recurring, that's what I do.

 

[userque]

Regarding having two tourneys:

IF you want PS to keep separate stats, I believe you'd have to open two clubs; otherwise, the stats will be combined.

One person can open two clubs.

 

[userque]

cue has graciously offered to help with the transition for six weeks. i am not the best person to ask about what to do because i suck at it, and i don't enjoy it.

does anyone second?

Actually, I'll help beyond 6 weeks if there are still questions.

 

[userque]

what would I have to do, b? would we have to close down the current club when the season is over and start a new one? would Q have to do the honors or will the current club die a natural death when the season is over, since he won't be creating the next tournament season?

Step 1: Create a brand new Club at PS.

This can be done as soon as you guys decide who'll be at the helm.

 

[userque]

well that is just about the craziest dang thing i've seen, twice. normally i would separate out several different issues for reply in single posts, but i am already over 10k and don't need the count, so let's see if can fit 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound sack.

when i resigned as previous manager i did it because i sucked at being a manager, and folks didn't hesitate to express their opinion. i couldn't even schedule games properly at the right times on the right days and had zero control of how stats were figured. fortunately, some smarter and braver folks stepped in and got the organization and statistical solutions up and running, good work cue and kuz.

there is always division when trying to herd cats, some cats will be happy and some cats will be mad, always. this is why i will never run for public office again, especially an unpaid position, no matter how much good you do somebody will always find your effort lacking. this is probably how john boehner felt when he resigned his speakership after he realized the caucus had gone all tea party.

i will not seek nor would i accept any position having to do with the running of this club, mainly because i suck at it. i make a better salesman and idea guy than an engineer or manager. so i hope somebody else will step up and drive this bus, because it is a totally fun bus. it seems cue and cuz pretty much got the logistics and records straightened out so it should be relatively easy for anyone to perform at least basic duties, but there is no way i have the skillset or desire to provide advanced features like replays and wrap ups or finish logs.

i think the discussion about # of games for future seasons is a legitimate one. and although i did not introduce an effort to change current metrics, i did point out how i feel they are misrepresentative. all of these things are valid and good topics to debate and reason through.

i enjoy playing poker with every one of you, so maybe we can find a way to trudge forward. if not, then i'm glad i mostly kicked butt. but it seems a shame to let this level of skill and comradery go so soon. oh well, ashes to ashes and bust to bust.

if the game continues, deal me in.

Well said my wayward friend.

I agree, things are always open for debate, or should be.

I did realized, despite the long debate with another, you hadn't voted to change the current season, which is why the vote tally never reflected that. And again, it should be available for debate.

Just to be clear, my issues weren't with motions being made for personal reasons, debate, criticism, changes, whining, crying, temper tantrums, or the like. My issues were, primarily, that the rules of the current contest were changed near the end of that contest, for no mandatory reason. My secondary issues were that the club let it happen, whether by deception, manipulation, activism, passivism, disinterest, laziness, or ignorance.

It actually is a good example of what happens in this country on a larger scale.

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