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burrocrat said:
i'm pretty sure, this gal did not have the uhh, ummm, same curves and pleasant demeanor?
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ok...now you really have me scratching my head! curves!! pleasant demeanor! you've never seen me so have no idea what I look like. Second, I didn't hardly talk during the tournament so you can hardly call my demeanor pleasant as I didn't have any demeanor! Burro... are you trying to rattle the cougar's cage??? suggest you quit digging your grave! :Eyecrazy:

P.s. if I misunderstood your comment, please forgive me as I have no idea what kind of female your playing poker with! :rolleyes:
 
DreamboatAnnie said:
Just a thought.

You give points out proportionately based on number of players. Ex. With 5 players, you give 1st place winner 5points, 2nd place gets 4points, 3rd place gets 3points, etc
If 9 players, you do the same..1st place gets 9 points, 2nd place gets 8 points, etc.

If you want to weight it, then assign bonus points by squaring the position but back wards. So with 5 players, first place get 5squared or 25points. 2nd place gets 4 squared or 16 points. 3rd place gets 3 squared or 9 points.

Then you could also assign bonus points for knock outs. Say 4 per knockout.

If you come back and say that is what your formula does at post 633, you can whack me with a big stick!!!! :smashfreakB:
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the source of my equation is from: https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/explained/

I asked two regular poker players, and both told me they considered winning (1st place) two 4-person tournaments was slightly better than winning (1st place) one 8-person tournament. Trust me, I looked at about 5 different point systems. This one made the most intuitive sense, which involves checking equivalent point places and asking whether those scenarios SHOULD be equivalent. In a lot of point system, it doesn't make sense. In your squared example, winning a 8 person tourney (64 pts) would be equivalent to winning FOUR 4-person tournaments (4x 16 pts)
 
DreamboatAnnie said:
So are we setting up a second game during week when we can just play for fun??? Like a standing night or two and whoever shows up shows up??? Not that I could play often but e.g...like a Thursday,Friday or Saturday night?
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would be nice to have the option, especially if someone misses a tourney night they would still have a chance to play a purely for fun game, no harm no foul, on another night if at least one other person feels like playing that night.
 
alevin said:
would be nice to have the option, especially if someone misses a tourney night they would still have a chance to play a purely for fun game, no harm no foul, on another night if at least one other person feels like playing that night.
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Yep, we've got a cash (play money) table available 24/7. Just like before.
 
i win more being quick than i do being good. i am so glad to be free of those club management chains. game on this sunday? schedule it.
 
has the club settled on a points tracking system yet?

i think if you cash you should get points, but then why have points if they just mimic tourney placement? i think maybe the points system should consider knockouts as well, if we are going to change how the poker site calculates overall season points.

say there is a 9 person tourney and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all cash and get points? then why have points? cash tells the story. but if in that tourney 1st place knocked out 4 players and 3rd ko'd 4 players, then 3rd should get a points bump?

not one-for-one, maybe a half point per knockout? this way 3rd would still get points for succesful aggressive play even if they take a bad beat near the end by lucky 2nd place finisher.

i am curious to know what the rules are and when we play next.
 
What's the word on inviting someone (non-forum member) to play? One of my old co-workers says he may be interested. Is this just for forum members? No big deal if it is. Just asking and will only invite him if given the OK. Thanks! (sorry if this has already been discussed.)
 
tsptalk said:
What's the word on inviting someone (non-forum member) to play? One of my old co-workers says he may be interested. Is this just for forum members? No big deal if it is. Just asking and will only invite him if given the OK. Thanks! (sorry if this has already been discussed.)
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Hasn't been discussed. I see no problem with it. We can see what the others say.

But, in case it's not a problem, do you need me to send the invite information to you again? That way he can be ready and immediately request membership through the PokerStars client. I'll wait for a consensus prior to approving the request.

What Say We?
 
burrocrat said:
has the club settled on a points tracking system yet?

i think if you cash you should get points, but then why have points if they just mimic tourney placement? i think maybe the points system should consider knockouts as well, if we are going to change how the poker site calculates overall season points.

say there is a 9 person tourney and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all cash and get points? then why have points? cash tells the story. but if in that tourney 1st place knocked out 4 players and 3rd ko'd 4 players, then 3rd should get a points bump?

not one-for-one, maybe a half point per knockout? this way 3rd would still get points for successful aggressive play even if they take a bad beat near the end by lucky 2nd place finisher.

i am curious to know what the rules are and when we play next.
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Tourney schedule hasn't change...Sunday 8 ET.

I understand what you're saying regarding the points etc.

I have some information to present to the club later today explaining the prizes. The prizes may affect how a member feels about how we 'score' the tourneys. Also, whether or not PokerStars will keep statistics is also a factor in how a member feels about how we score them.

K0n will be keeping stats. A few of us will receive hand histories. And I expect I'll be recording the whole game via a screen recorder.

After the game, we'll see if PokerStars kept stats, then, after we know that, and after we know about the prizes, then we can make an informed decision regarding keeping score.
 
k0nkuzh0n said:
To confirm, it is pokerstars' method for tournaments, not including their club home games:
https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/explained/

But they only use it for the top 15% I believe. not everyone. I believe these tournaments are hundreds and thousands... not struggling to get 8.
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I've been researching this. Poker Stars uses a different calculation for home games:
https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/home-games/faq/

"How are points awarded for Club Standings?

The total points awarded for a qualified tournament are exactly equal to the number of players in the tournament. So a 20-player tournament awards 20 points and a 50-player tournament awards 50 points. The points awarded are spread across the top third of participants, with a higher proportion going to higher placements in the finish order. (Rounding may occur to ensure that total points equal total players and top third of players is a whole number.)"

Additional sites:
Poker Leagues & Point Systems - Home Poker Tourney
Poker League Rules & Points Systems - Home Poker Tourney Forums
Poker League Points Systems - Home Poker Tourney
http://www.homepokertourney.com/poker-league-points-systems.htm#Dr-Neaus-Tournament-Formula

Poker stars does the top third, which is reasonable. We have a unique situation here where we have few players, along with a very wide variance in skill level. Skewing the point system to make the curve 'look' more normal may not be the proper solution...there may not even be a problem.

Imo, I think would should see whether the stats are working after today, then go from there.

Tom is willing to provide a first place prize of 1 Silver Coin and 1 Plastic Mug for each season. The seasons are 3 months long.

I'm leaning towards supporting two points-systems. An official one for the tourney, controlled by Poker Stars--or at least using their home game formulas if Poker stars stats go down; and a separate one used to better gauge the progress of new players, exactly what k0n is voluntarily doing now.

Also, in light of the fact that we are now playing for the Silver. I believe it is fair to begin anew, rather than trying to import the old stats. We weren't playing for Silver before.

However, if the body insists on continuing the old tourney, rather than start fresh, then we should continue with the original prize: bragging rights. :) And save the silver for the next tourney, three months away....just my opinions.

Sometime tonight, I expect to start putting our tabled questions to a vote via TSPtalk.com

:)
 
The Silver Round:

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i don't have a problem with tsptalk's friend playing, the point was to play with a regular, known group of players not just random folks on the internet so a friend referral is not an issue for me if somebody vouches for them, although they may want to join tsptalk to participate in this thread's discussion too.

as to the points and season things:
1, generally speaking i am not a details person, so the more complicated the scoring gets the less it matters to me, i certainly won't be maintaining it but if that is something people want to do it doesn't bother me.
2, i think points should not count for a season until there is a defined way the score will be kept that everybody is aware of and ok with.
3, i see the tourney for tonight is scheduled as a knockout format where you receive chips both for each knockout and for placing in the top of the tourney. this seems to solve the points discussion for me as the total chip count then would serve as a 'total marker' which includes credit for both placing in the tourney and knocking folks out. again, i am not a details person so whatever folks decide just make the rules known and then i'll play under them.

see you all tonight at the tables.
 
I'm ok with Tom's friend joining the club, since he is or was a fed also and I trust Tom's referral. Think Tom should encourage that person to join tsptalk also, let us get to know him a little for ourselves via this thread if not others.

I think silver should wait for new season, let this one be for bragging rights, since that's how we started. As long as KO can keep up a spreadsheet that lets me know whether I'm improving or stuck at entry-level skills, I'm ok with however we keep score.
 
i notice that the new tsptalk poker club is missing a couple members that have played in the old club: firedog and berrycuda. has anyone sent them new 'join club' info so they can continue playing if they wish? and there are several that joined the old club but have not yet played a game so i wonder if they are still interested? also it appears there may be some more new members that might join we haven't seen before so that is good. the more the merrier.
 
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