TSP Poker Club

[burrocrat]

here is the latest email from the pokersite regarding the missing stats. the bottom line is the data is not recoverable, most likely due to operator error, so i apologize for that. i think what happened is after the first practice monday night game when i then scheduled the series, i obviously did not correctly set the 'recurring' feature as there was no option to pre-register for the next monday game upon exiting, and also i obviously did not correctly set the 'season standings' feature as the performance did not record to the stats. as far as the established sunday game, i think when i (tried to) permanently set the monday game then i also probably reset the sunday game so that they would both start recording at the same time in case one did not count in the same season as the other if created at different times. i must have got the sunday recurring settings right as there was the option to pre-register for next week upon exiting, but clearly messed up the counts for season points thing again.

so i apologize about that, but it is what it is. if it helps any, i now have a sticky note on my monitor that says "when creating tourneys, do it after 9am with a couple of coffee and kahluah's in you so you can think, but before 9pm with countless whiskey and coke's in you when you operate on pure instinct and rage."

Hello Steward,

Thank you for contacting us back.

If the tourneys were set up correctly and the issue isfixed in full, the tournaments will show once the problem is solved on our end.

If the tourneys were not set up correctly thenunfortunately we cannot retroactively make the tournaments count towards thestandings.

We appreciate your patience and understanding.

Please let us know if you need anything else and thankyou for choosing PokerStars.

Regards,

Juan Carlos G
PokerStars Support Team

>_______________________________________________________
> From: Stewart Pahdahso<stupahdahso@hotmail.com>
> Sent: 02/23/16 18:14:55
> To: support@pokerstars.com
> Subject: RE: PokerStars Support - Club Results
>
> Thank you for checking into this. We also hadanother tournemant on Monday night at 8:00 pm eastern last night Feb 22 that weplayed. I may have not set thetournament parameters correctly in either of them as I am new to this, but theintention was to have both the Sunday and Monday games be recurring each weekat the same time and also have them both count for season standings.
>
> If there is any way to have both of these gamesmentioned in the email recorded as countying for season points I would sureappreciate it. Thank for your attentionto this matter.
>
> Stewart Pahdahso.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: support@pokerstars.com [mailto:support@pokerstars.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:42 PM
> To: stupahdahso@hotmail.com
> Subject: PokerStars Support - Club Results
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for emailing us.
>
> We apologize for the inconvenience this may havecaused you.
>
> Rest assured we are looking into this matter and wekindly ask you to check back in a few days.
>
> Your patience and understanding on this matter ismuch appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar
> PokerStars Support
>
>
> > _______________________________________________________
> > From: stupahdahso@hotmail.com
> > Sent: 02/22/16 19:41:25
> > Subject: Technical (.NET) Home Games Club ID: 2044021
> >
> > I am club manager of club ID #2044021 (TSPPoker Club) and we have been playing weekly tournaments scheduled on Sundays at20:00 eastern time. When i created thistourney it was set as 'recurring' and 'results apply to club standings'. Theprevious games in this series on 01/31, 02/07, and 02/14 are reflected in thestatistics but last night's game results do not show up.
> >
> > Is there just a delay in updating thesestats? When exiting the tourneys aplayer is given the choice to pre-register for the next scheduled game andprevioulsy it appears the settings applied to all the future games in theseries but it doesn't look like last night's game at 20:00 eastern on 02/21is being counted for seasonstandings. Is there a way to get thistournament counted in our statistics please?
> >
> > Thank you.

 

[burrocrat]

so i made a spreadsheet to document where we stand at this point, and in subsequent posts i will propose how i think we should proceed from here. i welcome any feedback if my numbers appear to be wrong although this is mostly all the data available on the pokersite, with the exception of the green highlighted info which can be reasonably assumed from playing a six-handed game earlier in the season. the orange highlighted info is unknown but most of it could be reconstructed if the folks who played remember how much their prize was and who/how many they knocked out. with the exception of the 8-handed game where the points and reversed 2nd/3rd place finish of cue and gata may affect the outcome, i think it is safe to call the winners at this point. i think the following placement is indicative of who and how we played so far:

1st: k0nkuzh0n
2nd: usercue
3rd: no1gata
4th: stupahdahso
5th: attitude
6th: fogsailing
7th: winterthyme
8th: firedog227

please provide any data you may have or remember to fill out the stats better, or any other input you may have including things such as: 'what a dumbass' or 'stupid donkey'.

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[burrocrat]

here is what i propose going forward:

i am going to clear out any scheduled games, and create two new weekly tourneys, one on sunday and one on monday, both at 8pm eastern time. i am going to (try to) set them both to be 'recurring' and 'apply to season standings'. i will post screenshots of each taken right before i click the 'create tourney' button so everybody know what i (tried to) do.

we have two choices what we do about the aborted earlier 'for keeps' games we have played:

1) call the winners and let the past be the past. like a warm up season, and play hard now that everyone is up to speed. like a learning experience or something.

2) continue to fill in the missing data from previous games as it becomes known and manually add it to new season data for those purists who need to make sure every 0.001 counts in order to sleep at night.

i vote for option 1, a fresh start. i am ok with whatever is decided though, provided we can all unanimously agree on both the missing data and the final placements of games played so far.

there is an option 3, which is for somebody else to start a poker club and take over management, because the job don't pay so good and it really makes no difference to me where or when i kick your asses.

 

[jpcavin]

PokerStars Tournament #1480051156, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 1000/50
6 players
Total Prize Pool: 6000
Tournament started 2016/02/22 20:00:00 ET
Tournament finished 2016/02/22 21:35:10 ET
1: userque (United States), 3,000 (50%)
2: K0nKuzh0n (United States), 1,800 (30%)
3: Attitude (United States), 1,200 (20%)
4: stupahdahso (United States),
5: No1Gata (United States),
6: fogsailing (United States),


PokerStars Tournament #1478919508, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 1000/50
8 players
Total Prize Pool: 8000
Tournament started 2016/02/21 20:00:00 ET
Tournament finished 2016/02/21 21:43:09 ET
1: K0nKuzh0n (United States), 4,000 (50%)
2: No1Gata (United States), 2,400 (30%)
3: userque (United States), 1,600 (20%)
4: stupahdahso (United States),
5: fogsailing (United States),
6: Attitude (United States),
7: winterthyme (United States),
8: Fyredog227 (United States),


PokerStars Tournament #1471123358, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 1000/50
4 players
Total Prize Pool: 4000
Tournament started 2016/02/14 20:00:00 ET
Tournament finished 2016/02/14 20:47:40 ET
1: userque (United States), 4,000 (100%)
2: No1Gata (United States),
3: fogsailing (United States),
4: stupahdahso (United States),


PokerStars Tournament #1463291083, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 1000/50
7 players
Total Prize Pool: 7000
Tournament started 2016/02/07 20:00:00 ET
Tournament finished 2016/02/07 21:29:53 ET
1: K0nKuzh0n (United States), 3,500 (50%)
2: No1Gata (United States), 2,100 (30%)
3: stupahdahso (United States), 1,400 (20%)
4: fogsailing (United States),
5: winterthyme (United States),
6: userque (United States),
7: Fyredog227 (United States),


PokerStars Tournament #1460971410, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 1000/50
6 players
Total Prize Pool: 6000
Tournament started 2016/01/31 20:00:00 ET
Tournament finished 2016/01/31 21:35:34 ET
1: stupahdahso (United States), 3,000 (50%)
2: K0nKuzh0n (United States), 1,800 (30%)
3: userque (United States), 1,200 (20%)
4: Fyredog227 (United States),
5: No1Gata (United States),
6: fogsailing (United States),

 

[jpcavin]

There you go..the stats.

 

[burrocrat]

after updating the spreadsheet with cougar's emailed data, the finish order and placement remains the same. what is unknown is if knockouts affect how season points are distributed and how many points are distributed to how many players in an 8-handed game. i am still confident the the earlier ranking of performance so far is a valid representation of performance: 1 kuz, 2 cue, 3 gata.

keep the data coming if anybody has more, especially knockouts or any info on how season points are distributed.

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[burrocrat]

ok, round 2. there is a sunday night tournament scheduled for tomorrow 02/28 at 20:00 et and it should be 'recurring' and 'for keeps'.

if you previously pre-registered for this sunday's game, it has been cancelled and this created in its place so your buyin has been refunded and you will have to reregister. hope to see everybody there.

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[burrocrat]

also, there is a new monday night tourney scheduled in two days on 02/29 at 20:00 et and should be 'recurring' and 'for keeps'.

hope to see every body there too.

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[jpcavin]

after updating the spreadsheet with cougar's emailed data, the finish order and placement remains the same. what is unknown is if knockouts affect how season points are distributed and how many points are distributed to how many players in an 8-handed game. i am still confident the the earlier ranking of performance so far is a valid representation of performance: 1 kuz, 2 cue, 3 gata.

keep the data coming if anybody has more, especially knockouts or any info on how season points are distributed.

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Points for an 8 person game is distributed as follows:

Gold 4.69
Silver 3.31
Bronze 0

Not sure how knockouts work. I've looked at several 8 person games and don't see a pattern. Must be how many people you actually knock out in the course of the game and not how many people get knocked out of the game (total or by other players)?

 

[burrocrat]

Points for an 8 person game is distributed as follows:

Gold 4.69
Silver 3.31
Bronze 0

Not sure how knockouts work. I've looked at several 8 person games and don't see a pattern. Must be how many people you actually knock out in the course of the game and not how many people get knocked out of the game (total or by other players)?

if that is true then it changes the finish order to: 1 kuz, 2 gata, 3 cue, at least as far as season points go but cue still has you on cash and place. please site your source. where did you get the info? in the long run cue outplays you, but that finish order may be a fair representation of what has actually happened so far. basically a tie for 2nd and 3rd.

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[burrocrat]

are you going to play either this sunday or monday in the new seasons?

 

[jpcavin]

I wasn't trying to prove anything. Was just providing information for your spreadsheet. I looked at several 8 person games for other "Home Clubs" and that is how the points were distributed on all the 8 person games. You will notice that .585% goes to 1st place and .415% goes to second. Not sure if and when 3rd place gets any points.

 

[burrocrat]

want to get together later and play a couple games of strip poker and get warmed up?

 

[userque]

Excellent effort you two! My thoughts:

1. I can take over managing, if you want. But I'm good with you managing if you can continue keeping members in the loop as far as the decisions the manager is responsible for making, etc. It's our club.

2. Breaks should remain in effect, imo. I know k0n complained about them, and you seemed to agree. But I bet the majority of folks would rather use their bathrooms instead of your p-bottle technique. But, if the majority want p-coffee-cans/-bottles, I respect that.

3. If possible, the total buy-in should be $1,000 or less. That way, even players with zero chips can chip-up via pokerstars and play without issue.

4. Etc.

5. I say call every game so far a pre-season, and start over fresh.

6. And finally, fyi, spreadsheets are typically designed to grow vertically, instead of horizontally.

Again, nice work after the initial FUBAR.

 

[burrocrat]

Excellent effort you too! My thoughts:

1. I can take over managing, if you want. But I'm good with you managing if you can continue keeping members in the loop as far as the decisions the manager is responible for making, etc. It's our club.

2. Breaks should remain in effect, imo. I know k0n complained about them, and you seemed to agree. But I bet the majority of folks would rather use their bathrooms instead of your p-bottle technique. But, if the majority want p-coffee-cans/-bottles, I respect that.

3. If possible, the total buy-in should be $1,000 or less. That way, even players with zero chips can chip-up via pokerstars and play without issue.

4. Etc.

5. I say call every game so far a pre-season, and start over fresh.

6. And finally, fyi, spreadsheets are typically designed to grow vertically, instead of horizontally.

Again, nice work after the initial FUBAR.

i agree on starting over for keeps.

my 'spreadsheet' grows horizontally at the slightest provocation, it has always been that way. unless i am laying on my back, then it grows vertically. but i find it hard to play poker that way. it ends up more like a game of poke me.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

I'm fine with breaks. We've just had some ill-timed ones. When it goes down to heads up, and then immediately goes to a break. I'd just assume get it over with.

If you can alter the blind timing schedule, I suggest considering that to flatten it out.

One thing I noticed under the results, is that all the entry's have exactly the same name. Where as, the games scheduled for tomorrow and monday have different names under the 'Tournament' field. I don't know if that helps any.

Userque and gata should both be able to reproduce the knock outs since they have the hand histories.

You guys would want to start over, hah.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

I wasn't trying to prove anything. Was just providing information for your spreadsheet. I looked at several 8 person games for other "Home Clubs" and that is how the points were distributed on all the 8 person games. You will notice that .585% goes to 1st place and .415% goes to second. Not sure if and when 3rd place gets any points.

I posted earlier, top 30% get points. Apparently it is truncated down, not rounded up tho. So with 9 players, I'd expect 3rd to get points.

 

[burrocrat]

you won. let it go sugar pants.

 

[jpcavin]

9 Players
Gold 3.94
Silver 2.79
Bronze 2.27

10Players
Gold 4.38
Silver 3.1
Bronze 2.53

 

[userque]

I'm fine with breaks. We've just had some ill-timed ones. When it goes down to heads up, and then immediately goes to a break. I'd just assume get it over with.

If you can alter the blind timing schedule, I suggest considering that to flatten it out.

One thing I noticed under the results, is that all the entry's have exactly the same name. Where as, the games scheduled for tomorrow and monday have different names under the 'Tournament' field. I don't know if that helps any.

Userque and gata should both be able to reproduce the knock outs since they have the hand histories.

You guys would want to start over, hah.

Not sure if gata has hand histories. She would have had to set it in settings. We don't have to start over, are you willing to handle to heavy lifting with the data? Burro has his hands full with the Poker Stars GUI.

We've had a small number of tournaments, and we are a long way from December. The games we've played, in the long run, won't be that significant, imo.

You say the top 30% get paid. In the screenshot burro posted, it is showing the top 20% to be paid. Going forward, what do we want, 30%, 20%, something different?