TSP Poker Club

i'm telling you there is a brutal deceptiveness to this game. it changes fast.
It's one of the reasons I lost interest in the game. I liked limit poker more. Cash games. You got to play and luck wasn't as big of a factor as far as losing your whole stack. You lost a hand and moved on.

It doesn't take a lot of skill to beat AK with an AT and beating someone with a weaker hand doesn't feel right to me, and losing with the best hand (assuming it was played correctly) wears you down over the long run. I got tired of it.

I suppose if the best hand always held up it wouldn't be a very good game as the same people would win all the time. I could get in a poker game with Phil Ivey and get lucky and beat him, but I could never beat Phil Michelson in golf.

I think the analogy I heard between golf and poker was the equivalent of having to roll the dice after each golf shot, and if it came up odd instead of even, you had to throw your ball in the water. That's poker.
 
It's one of the reasons I lost interest in the game. I liked limit poker more. Cash games. You got to play and luck wasn't as big of a factor as far as losing your whole stack. You lost a hand and moved on.

It doesn't take a lot of skill to beat AK with an AT and beating someone with a weaker hand doesn't feel right to me, and losing with the best hand (assuming it was played correctly) wears you down over the long run. I got tired of it.

I suppose if the best hand always held up it wouldn't be a very good game as the same people would win all the time. I could get in a poker game with Phil Ivey and get lucky and beat him, but I could never beat Phil Michelson in golf.

I think the analogy I heard between gold and poker was the equivalent of having to roll the dice after each golf shot, and if it came up odd instead of even, you had to throw your ball in the water. That's poker.

that's why i like poker better than golf. i suck at golf. but there are ways to manipulate what appears to be 'luck' at no limit holdem, if you can disassociate and take the long view.

also, i believe i could beat phil mickleson at golf, if he was having a bad day, i was able to jabber and put him off his game, offer him prop bets that disturb him, and maybe a golden eagle or two swoops out of the sky and snatches his ball and drops it in the lake. that is golf, same as poker.
 
"why get into a coin flip race then? because if you don't often enough, if you sit and wait for a big hand with a definite advantage in your favor then two things happen: 1) the blinds and your opponents aggression will bleed your chip stack dry while you are waiting for your magic hand to arrive, and 2) when you catch your magic hand your opponent will know it and simple fold giving you no opportunity to get your chips back"

So I am trying to understand the fold concept and sitting out in poker. I love to play this game, it is a lot of fun to be in this club. I want to play every hand, but if I do I know the odds of me having enough chips to make it to the later rounds are not very good. So how do you figure out how many hands to play to make it to the later rounds. I rarely get a good opening hand in my opinion but sometimes after the flop I will have a decent hand. I understand the pocket pairs and high card suited hands are pretty safe bets but don't come around very often. So what do you use to gauge when to play or not....Seat of the pants or are your basing it on some calculation of rounds? Any insight from anyone would be appreciated.
gator
 
Position, gator. You need a stronger hand to call early, and if no one else has called, you don't need a real strong hand to raise in late position. Calling is generally a weak play, especially early or in a raised pot. You get to see more flops by calling, but you're usually at a disadvantage even if you get a piece of the flop.

A hand like K-10 is POS (anyone need a translation? :)). But if you're in mid to late position and no one has called, you can raise with it. Rarely call a raise with a hand like that. Someone with AT or AK will take all your money if you flop top pair.

If you think you're beat, you probably are. Make a move or fold.

That's chapter 10. :D
 
"why get into a coin flip race then? because if you don't often enough, if you sit and wait for a big hand with a definite advantage in your favor then two things happen: 1) the blinds and your opponents aggression will bleed your chip stack dry while you are waiting for your magic hand to arrive, and 2) when you catch your magic hand your opponent will know it and simple fold giving you no opportunity to get your chips back"

So I am trying to understand the fold concept and sitting out in poker. I love to play this game, it is a lot of fun to be in this club. I want to play every hand, but if I do I know the odds of me having enough chips to make it to the later rounds are not very good. So how do you figure out how many hands to play to make it to the later rounds. I rarely get a good opening hand in my opinion but sometimes after the flop I will have a decent hand. I understand the pocket pairs and high card suited hands are pretty safe bets but don't come around very often. So what do you use to gauge when to play or not....Seat of the pants or are your basing it on some calculation of rounds? Any insight from anyone would be appreciated.
gator

Depending upon how seriously I'm playing, I do use calculations when I'm short stacked.

I use them to figure what's the best possible hand I'll likely get prior to losing half of my stack. When I'm dealt that hand or better...all in baby. [Maybe...sometimes I'll just want to see the flop. Depends on the prior table action to me. Etc.]

You have to recalculate often. The answer will depend on blinds, antes, stack, # of players, and you may have to adjust for [future] blind increases.
 
I should have read Chapter 10 before chasing last night with a pair of 4s. Cost me big time. Gator took all my money and then it was just a slow cruel death march...I'm learning slowly though..

FS
 
gator: tom and cue are right about position, and also relative stacks, blinds, and hand selection. there are many variables to consider and how they add up to equal a decision to play or fold. i will fold a normally strong hand early and play a normally weak hand late.

there are other things to consider that nobody is saying though, and i lt bugs me when folks say "ain't gettin no good cards" as a reason not to play because the actual cards are probably less than half the battle. remember, nobody knows which cards you have unless they pay to see them or you voluntarily show them. so if you know or have a good idea about your opponents, like what hands they play or how they play certain hands or how quick they will abandon their hand if a scare card shows on the board, then you don't need good cards. you can play against their fears or suspicions or lack of conviction, or offer them poor pot odds to continue the hand. the worst opponents to play against are the ones who don't know how dumb their decisions are because they will often draw out on you. the good players will often do what they are 'supposed' to do in a given situation. the great players are those that spot the good players and make it convenient for them to make the 'correct' decision. play the player not the cards.

i actually play rather predictably once you know what it is i am doing. but there is a formula for winning these types of sit-and-go single table tourneys, and i like to think a have figured out a way to make it profitable for me. that is bad because it makes me predictable which can be exploited. so i deliberately introduce variance in my game to counter the predictability.

there are certain hands i will always play and certain hands i will never play (unless i'm in the blinds in an unraised pot). so to introduce variance i choose a hand at the start of the game i will play no matter what, every time i get dealt it. and i am going to play it like i got the nuts. could be 83 suited or 6T offsuit or Q5. when i see that hand i trick my brain into thinking it is pocket rockets and i play it that way, i believe it is aces, i know it is aces.

even if i lose with that hand that particular night, and i do alot, then it is still worth it if the intentional 'unpredictability' affords me room to move (and get callers - that dumb donk will play anything and gets sooo lucky) when later i actually do have a hand.

there are many ways to skin this poker cat from perfect accountant machine to cold hearted gunslinger. if you play long enough will find your way gator.
 
there is a game on tonight, for anybody who wants to play, at 7pm et.

tonight i'm going to lose it all, playing with fire, the first to fall, cards sinking like a cannon ball, baby kill it, what you waiting for? there's something in the way you move...

 
wow, that was a very interesting game. i getting my butt kicked lately, but them girls are starting to play hard. nice to both, and nice comeback from down to the cat.

i sure wish they hadn't cut my balls off, i almost had that.
 
end of calendar june.

first game of new season(s) would start with first game in july.
Should we skip a week, being that the first Sun / Mon in July is the 3rd and 4th (Independence Day)? Otherwise, if we keep the same schedule it would be Sunday the 3rd.
 
Already? :smile: glad to hear you're feeling better. quick recovery there. tonight was a fluke, had to be. 2 flushes against 2 straights on the board? will never happen again. unpossible.
 
HI... I'll go along with the group and say skip it. Have no idea what I will be doing Sunday.... might be out of town. Swimmin in a river--upstream as usual! :laugh:
 
Whazzis? A poker game? Are you still using pokerstars? Page 1 said poker stars, and I don't have time to read 100+ pages.
I have Bovada software, but not stars anymore.

Tournaments? Cash? Both?
 
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