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NNut you were doing the correct thing. A sucker rally is nothing to lose sleep over.
MT
NNut you were doing the correct thing. A sucker rally is nothing to lose sleep over.
MT
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Yes, you bought on Thursday. No confusion to me there.
Buy high sell low! I am hoping you did not buy at the top. I fund has not seen 13.30 in a long time been over a month and a half for the S fund at 12.71 :s.
Worried about LAX?
I am 100% stock right now and I am nervous as:#.
Got to TSP.GOV and look at past months of Sep for the stock funds. Pretty :shock:.
MT
Yes, you bought on Thursday. No confusion to me there.
Buy high sell low! I am hoping you did not buy at the top. I fund has not seen 13.30 in a long time been over a month and a half for the S fund at 12.71 :s.
Worried about LAX?
I am 100% stock right now and I am nervous as:#.
Got to TSP.GOV and look at past months of Sep for the stock funds. Pretty :shock:.
MT
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MarketTimer wrote:
The combination of interest rates and stocksrising, a gain of 15% to 25% would still have stocksfairly valued.
MarketTimer wrote:
When compared to the 10 year treasury note, the S&P 500 is actually undervalued by about 32% (as of 9/1/04). The 10 year treasury is currently yielding about 4.28 while the S&P 500 yield is 6.37. Back in 2000, we saw the exact opposite. The 10 year treasury was over 6.5% and the S&P earnings yield was down near 4%.
The combination of interest rates and stocksrising, a gain of 15% to 25% would still have stocksfairly valued.
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MarketTimer wrote:
Please start an account if you wish to have us follow you. I really appreciate your contributions to the board but these daily ramblings abut your account aren't doing us much good. You are confusing people more than helping.
Thanks,
Tom
MarketTimer wrote:
You say I bought on Thursday, but I actuallybought the Wednesday closing price and was in the new funds on Thursday morning.
You are getting a bit out of control on us MT. You have been calling us nuts for being invested Thursday and crying bear, saying you were 85% G then claim on 9/2 you will be 100% Gbut today, 9/4you say you are 100% in stocks? What are you doing?
Please start an account if you wish to have us follow you. I really appreciate your contributions to the board but these daily ramblings abut your account aren't doing us much good. You are confusing people more than helping.
Thanks,
Tom
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MarketTimer wrote:
MarketTimer wrote:
Looney bin MT? Be interested in seein your return for te year. You call me nuts for sellin Tursday for a profit and not bein invested Friday wen te market drops? mmmmmmm I like wat I did!!! :^
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MarketTimer wrote:
From 9/2 comments...
"Here are the last 40 years of returns for September during presidential election years...
09/64 2.9%
09/68 3.9%
09/72 -0.5%
09/76 2.3%
09/80 2.5%
09/84 -0.3%
09/88 4.0%
09/92 0.9%
09/96 5.4%
09/00 -5.3%
Other than the bear market year of 2000, when the three legs of the bull market were very weak, September has been pretty strong during presidential election years. Now those three legs are quite strong so I am not too worried."
Tom
MarketTimer wrote:
Doesn't anyone read my comments anymore?
From 9/2 comments..."Here are the last 40 years of returns for September during presidential election years...
09/64 2.9%
09/68 3.9%
09/72 -0.5%
09/76 2.3%
09/80 2.5%
09/84 -0.3%
09/88 4.0%
09/92 0.9%
09/96 5.4%
09/00 -5.3%
Other than the bear market year of 2000, when the three legs of the bull market were very weak, September has been pretty strong during presidential election years. Now those three legs are quite strong so I am not too worried."
Tom
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Yes! We read your messages, they are good messages, some.
This site is big, you are wearing my mouse out! I think I saw some smoke from my wheel on the mouse?
Caution. As your home page indicates, a lot of TSP money may not have been invested to maximize returns.
Well, most of us are novices, "totally" clueless on where or how we are investing our retirement our future. The CSRS govenment people don't care. TSP is not their system! However, they are generally above FERS people, and so is congress, who initiated this system. Not that it isn't or couldn't be a good system. And, not that it might not be the system of the future for other employees. People in the FERS system, etc., are not informed/educated on what they are in. The Union I am in doesn't understand the risk involved, also clueless.
The problem with your members, is that they are with few exceptions all novices. It would be great if the market of 2003 was the rule. But it's not. There are few points in the last 5 years that you could have rolled over a TSP into a IRA and not suffered (generic) losses. We are federal workers, in uniform or civilian cloths. as I see it TSPTALK is trying to make the best of a very uneducated FERS system.
Tom, you are the commander of this web site. Steer us clear of the ice-burgs. Because I have learned that FERS can be another word, it was called the Titanic.
PS: not responsible for spelling errors, my compUTER did it!
Yes! We read your messages, they are good messages, some.
This site is big, you are wearing my mouse out! I think I saw some smoke from my wheel on the mouse?
Caution. As your home page indicates, a lot of TSP money may not have been invested to maximize returns.
Well, most of us are novices, "totally" clueless on where or how we are investing our retirement our future. The CSRS govenment people don't care. TSP is not their system! However, they are generally above FERS people, and so is congress, who initiated this system. Not that it isn't or couldn't be a good system. And, not that it might not be the system of the future for other employees. People in the FERS system, etc., are not informed/educated on what they are in. The Union I am in doesn't understand the risk involved, also clueless.
The problem with your members, is that they are with few exceptions all novices. It would be great if the market of 2003 was the rule. But it's not. There are few points in the last 5 years that you could have rolled over a TSP into a IRA and not suffered (generic) losses. We are federal workers, in uniform or civilian cloths. as I see it TSPTALK is trying to make the best of a very uneducated FERS system.
Tom, you are the commander of this web site. Steer us clear of the ice-burgs. Because I have learned that FERS can be another word, it was called the Titanic.
PS: not responsible for spelling errors, my compUTER did it!
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Spaf,
You're right. The government needs to provide its employees with solid TSP investment guidance. Their current "no advice" approach isirresponsible.The unions have alsobeen amazingly silenton this issue. TSPplans tofinesse the problemby offering a 'life cycle" plan that provides aggressive to conservativeasset allocation based on an employee's retirement date. It can't come soon enough! I'm assuming theplan will besimilar to the Vanguard "life cycle" plans, e.g. Vanguard 2045.
Conservatively, you can withdraw 5% of your investments per year in retirement and notrun out of money before you die.For example, a$70K per yearincome requires $1.4Min TSP assets.Therefore, FERS participants need to start investing ASAPand not make too many dumb mistakes.
Recently, Pete1referenced the http://www.coffeehouseinvestor.com/. This interesting site advocates the "buy and hold, I'm not going to try to beat the market", approach. This is the approach recommended byall investmentacademics,Nobel Prize winners, and such experts as John Bogel, Charles Ellis, Burton Malkiel, and Roger Ibbotson. Of course, Wall Street wants investors to believe that they can beat the market - duh, more fees.
As a CSRS employee, I’m using the TSPsweetenmy pension. However, if I was in FERS, I'd want to make absolutelycertain that I was employing the bestinvesting approach. As I learn more about investing, I firmly believe the average TSP investor shoulddiversify across the funds andtake what the global markets give them,i.e. buy and hold.Market timing has considerable entertainment value, but it canbe hazardous to your long term financial health.
Spaf,
You're right. The government needs to provide its employees with solid TSP investment guidance. Their current "no advice" approach isirresponsible.The unions have alsobeen amazingly silenton this issue. TSPplans tofinesse the problemby offering a 'life cycle" plan that provides aggressive to conservativeasset allocation based on an employee's retirement date. It can't come soon enough! I'm assuming theplan will besimilar to the Vanguard "life cycle" plans, e.g. Vanguard 2045.
Conservatively, you can withdraw 5% of your investments per year in retirement and notrun out of money before you die.For example, a$70K per yearincome requires $1.4Min TSP assets.Therefore, FERS participants need to start investing ASAPand not make too many dumb mistakes.
Recently, Pete1referenced the http://www.coffeehouseinvestor.com/. This interesting site advocates the "buy and hold, I'm not going to try to beat the market", approach. This is the approach recommended byall investmentacademics,Nobel Prize winners, and such experts as John Bogel, Charles Ellis, Burton Malkiel, and Roger Ibbotson. Of course, Wall Street wants investors to believe that they can beat the market - duh, more fees.
As a CSRS employee, I’m using the TSPsweetenmy pension. However, if I was in FERS, I'd want to make absolutelycertain that I was employing the bestinvesting approach. As I learn more about investing, I firmly believe the average TSP investor shoulddiversify across the funds andtake what the global markets give them,i.e. buy and hold.Market timing has considerable entertainment value, but it canbe hazardous to your long term financial health.
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FYI. The following info from the Dalbar Inc. web site. Dalbar is a financial research firm.
http://www.dalbarinc.com/content/showpage.asp?page=qaib
During the greatest Bull market in history:
Motivated more by fear and greed than intellect, these investors chase market returns to the detriment of their pocket books. An update to DALBAR's Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior (QAIB) study shows that since 1984, equity mutual fund shareholders have held their funds for just a little over two years, and as a result have earned less than inflation. Investors in fixed income products do a little better but still earn far less than posted returns.
Something to think about.
FYI. The following info from the Dalbar Inc. web site. Dalbar is a financial research firm.
http://www.dalbarinc.com/content/showpage.asp?page=qaib
During the greatest Bull market in history:
Motivated more by fear and greed than intellect, these investors chase market returns to the detriment of their pocket books. An update to DALBAR's Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior (QAIB) study shows that since 1984, equity mutual fund shareholders have held their funds for just a little over two years, and as a result have earned less than inflation. Investors in fixed income products do a little better but still earn far less than posted returns.
- The average equity investor earned a paltry 2.57% annually; compared to inflation of 3.14% and the 12.22% that the S & P 500 index earned annually for the last 19 years.
- The average fixed income investor earned 4.24% annually; compared to the long-term government bond index of 11.70%.
Something to think about.
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MR MT
I dont think I did bad at all that friday.
AFter 1-week 100% in I-fund winning ,then thursday
I went to 50%stock but effective friday that means
that I cacth up other 10 cent in I-FUND "100%"THAT was thURday.
So, winning about 2 week"100%" in I-fund
and loosing only one day 50% in stock.
So,I grap some profit .and remember you cant no be
perfect in two week not have a least one day loosing.
and when you lose ,that day only beeing 50 % in stock.
Wao that was very very average winning...:^.
by the way thank to you wake-up call thatI did the move
to 50%-G that friday,. aNd that was a "grap the profit rules"...
other rule that aply is....
"after days of gain take half out of the table"
So,no that bad week...:^. I was very lucky that I came back to
the game and still up.Before that friday I was in the high ever
in my account after friday still 2nd high in my account.....
so,keep punching...
MR MT
I dont think I did bad at all that friday.
AFter 1-week 100% in I-fund winning ,then thursday
I went to 50%stock but effective friday that means
that I cacth up other 10 cent in I-FUND "100%"THAT was thURday.
So, winning about 2 week"100%" in I-fund
and loosing only one day 50% in stock.
So,I grap some profit .and remember you cant no be
perfect in two week not have a least one day loosing.
and when you lose ,that day only beeing 50 % in stock.
Wao that was very very average winning...:^.
by the way thank to you wake-up call thatI did the move
to 50%-G that friday,. aNd that was a "grap the profit rules"...
other rule that aply is....
"after days of gain take half out of the table"
So,no that bad week...:^. I was very lucky that I came back to
the game and still up.Before that friday I was in the high ever
in my account after friday still 2nd high in my account....
.so,keep punching...
nnuut
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How about that I fund? How do you think their rally will affect stocks here? I'm 100% "G", don't want to miss another NICE!:%
WHAT?
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices eased on Monday as top world exporter Saudi Arabia slashed prices for its crude sales to the United States and Europe in an effort to shift the large volumes it is offering to cool world markets.
Brent crude futures for October delivery fell 33 cents to $40.90 a barrel in London. Trade was subdued, with U.S. markets closed because of the Labor Day holiday.
Man! is it gonna be green?
How about that I fund? How do you think their rally will affect stocks here? I'm 100% "G", don't want to miss another NICE!:%
WHAT?
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices eased on Monday as top world exporter Saudi Arabia slashed prices for its crude sales to the United States and Europe in an effort to shift the large volumes it is offering to cool world markets.
Brent crude futures for October delivery fell 33 cents to $40.90 a barrel in London. Trade was subdued, with U.S. markets closed because of the Labor Day holiday.
Man! is it gonna be green?
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I HOPe the market still in the way up unstil raise rate again
As all seeN-when rate raise ,stock go down.
When rate cut, the market go up...:^
But I dont think I gonna make the same mistake i DID before.
after having some gains, gonna play 50% stock not a 100% again.
And IF still up, almost in the top only 30% stock ,,,,70%-G...
I HOPe the market still in the way up unstil raise rate again
As all seeN-when rate raise ,stock go down.
When rate cut, the market go up...:^
But I dont think I gonna make the same mistake i DID before.
after having some gains, gonna play 50% stock not a 100% again.
And IF still up, almost in the top only 30% stock ,,,,70%-G...
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what in the menu for thursday most of the time down :shock:
what in the menu for thursday most of the time down :shock:
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This Thursday we have the intial job claims reports that has not been rosy for awhile.
We also got earnings from National Semiconductor that could be a INTEL Part II.
Hate to be a flip flopper you are making be bearish again
!!!!
The SOXX is scaring me. The indexes follow the SOXX:
This Thursday we have the intial job claims reports that has not been rosy for awhile.
We also got earnings from National Semiconductor that could be a INTEL Part II.
Hate to be a flip flopper you are making be bearish again
!!!!The SOXX is scaring me. The indexes follow the SOXX:
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