The wars over!..again

[Afishegg]

I have a question to everyone on here. Now that the president declared the war over......

What was gained by the invasion of Iraq?

I'll go first. This question is so depressing to begin with because the answer is so obviouse (to me) and here it is ....N.O.T.H.I.N.G!

We lost thousands of our boys and girls, we spent billions and billions and billions of $ on this war (money just P*SSED down the drain), we have since lost millions of jobs, lost trillions in the stock market, and have ..ONCE AGAIN (just like in nam) shown that we are a war mongering and misguided nation. I say misguided because we went to Iraq after being attacked by bin laden (who, I might point out is still making videos and audio messages mocking us from .....Pakistan.) So many from the beginning opposed this war based on common sense, many of us knew there was nothing to be gained, and here we are 7 years later and our nation in shambles. Whats next? Iran? North korea?(the only 2 parties of the "axis of evil" left) I hope not.... however..... I fear the worst is still ahead! -Fish-

 

[JTH]

http://www.beltwaytalk.com/forum.php

 

[Afishegg]

Ahh I just got it. Thanx.

 

[Birchtree]

I don't like to call people names that I don't know - however you must be as blind as a bat.

 

[Buster]

Egg..you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it..

But I completely disagree..the Iraq war meant something good and good came of it...Too many uninformed people like yourself are fixated on this one reason (which was not the ONLY reason) that GW along with many powerful intelligent people was duped by bad intel from the CIA and that lead everyone to believe that Saddam had WMD..What if the intel was good? Which Saddam did at one time have WMDs at least..Ask Israel about the Scud attacks during Gulf war 1....Ask the 100's of thousands of Kurds he gassed with WMDs (his own countrymen)..But besides that one detail..Unless your selective memory is off as most liberal's is, the UN inspectors were lead on wild goose chases will Saddam played musical shell and ball games with Nukes and other items that the UN sanctions forbid him to have..They did dig up a whole Jet plane in the desert..who really knows..the WMD may still be buried somewhere in Iraq or Syria may have a nice stockpile of them now..I'm glad GW erred on the side of caution.....But this is old news to most of us that actually watched and followed the reasons for the Iraq invasion..Maybe the Kuwait thing had a lot to do with it..Leopard's spots ya know, can't change them..

 

[Birchtree]

Thanx Buster - I didn't have the patience to get into it.

 

[Buster]

No prob Birch..

But I forgot to mention that in case the old argument comes up.."it was a war for OIL"..

let's nip that old one in the bud too....Have you got any oil from this Birch?..I sure as to hell didn't..the Saudis are happy to keep us supplied..

 

[Birchtree]

Iraq actually has more proved reserves than Saudi - we'll get our share when the time arrives. By that time Eden will be firmly established.

 

[Buster]

Iraq actually has more proved reserves than Saudi - we'll get our share when the time arrives. By that time Eden will be firmly established.

And Adam and Eve will take their clothes off again too...

 

[Scrappy]

I have a question to everyone on here. Now that the president declared the war over......

What was gained by the invasion of Iraq?

The regime change initiated by Bill Clinton was half-ass completed.

 

[Birchtree]

I have cleasned him from my memory.

 

[crws]

I have a question to everyone on here. Now that the president declared the war over......

What was gained by the invasion of Iraq?

Look! We bought us a bank of international standing!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202266.html

Karzai's brother calls for U.S. to shore up Kabul Bank as withdrawals accelerate
Thursday, September 2, 2010; 10:57 AM

DUBAI - As depositors thronged branches of Afghanistan's biggest bank, Mahmoud Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a major shareholder in beleaguered Kabul Bank called on Thursday for intervention by the United States to head off a financial meltdown.

 

[Birchtree]

That's what friends are for. Their rocks will eventually be worth something.

 

[jimijr]

The war was not for nothing, no. But don't be fooled by the WMD argument, it was just a plausible distraction which is why it didn't matter that none were found. Our planners knew what they wanted and they got it.

1.) A permanent base for confronting Iran on its west flank. (Afghanistan on the east completes the encirclement.)
2.) A means of denying the resources to others.

We now have a stranglehold on the world's greatest strategic prize and a ready check on the main threat to same.

Whether it was necessary, or worth it, or whether it could have been achieved by other means, are different questions.
This is the way of international power politics.

 

[Afishegg]

Egg..you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it..

But I completely disagree..the Iraq war meant something good and good came of it...Too many uninformed people like yourself are fixated on this one reason (which was not the ONLY reason) that GW along with many powerful intelligent people was duped by bad intel from the CIA and that lead everyone to believe that Saddam had WMD..What if the intel was good? Which Saddam did at one time have WMDs at least..Ask Israel about the Scud attacks during Gulf war 1....Ask the 100's of thousands of Kurds he gassed with WMDs (his own countrymen)..But besides that one detail..Unless your selective memory is off as most liberal's is, the UN inspectors were lead on wild goose chases will Saddam played musical shell and ball games with Nukes and other items that the UN sanctions forbid him to have..They did dig up a whole Jet plane in the desert..who really knows..the WMD may still be buried somewhere in Iraq or Syria may have a nice stockpile of them now..I'm glad GW erred on the side of caution.....But this is old news to most of us that actually watched and followed the reasons for the Iraq invasion..Maybe the Kuwait thing had a lot to do with it..Leopard's spots ya know, can't change them..

Well ....ok! Let's go with that logical explanation and.....Go get us some NORTH KOREA...and IRAN! I mean yes, LET'S git er done if you will, because they ARE being run by certified nuts who kill their own people and saber rattle their neighbors who are by the way our friends er I mean "interests", they also use torture and chemical warfare and all that other mean stuff saddam used and did. BUT.. here's the real kicker, NK ACTUALLY HAS NUKES! Iran.....very soon. So I digress and see the light...Now I believe it URGENT we ACT and intervene immediately and stop the last 2 regimes who make up the axis of evil GW so prophetically spoke of to an abrupt end, and restore them to a democratic society,....hence, peace on earth, lets not delay for this matter is/or should be of utmost importance, for it deals with our national security and our national interests and as we all know the SECURITY OF THE WORLD! ......(Now, where did I place that package of 4 trillion dollars I was going to fund all this with):toung:

P.S I respect your opinion too,( guess I shoulda known this would be a landmine subject) as for birch he seems to have just a smidge of an attitude against me (still respect ya though birch), but don't worry bout my eyesite birch, I can see you just fine through my T7 thermal goggles.

 

[Buster]

Well ....ok! Let's go with that logical explanation and.....Go get us some NORTH KOREA...and IRAN! I mean yes, LET'S git er done if you will, because they ARE being run by certified nuts who kill their own people and saber rattle their neighbors who are by the way our friends er I mean "interests", they also use torture and chemical warfare and all that other mean stuff saddam used and did. BUT.. here's the real kicker, NK ACTUALLY HAS NUKES! Iran.....very soon. So I digress and see the light...Now I believe it URGENT we ACT and intervene immediately and stop the last 2 regimes who make up the axis of evil GW so prophetically spoke of to an abrupt end, and restore them to a democratic society,....hence, peace on earth, lets not delay for this matter is/or should be of utmost importance, for it deals with our national security and our national interests and as we all know the SECURITY OF THE WORLD! ......(Now, where did I place that package of 4 trillion dollars I was going to fund all this with):toung:

P.S I respect your opinion too,( guess I shoulda known this would be a landmine subject) as for birch he seems to have just a smidge of an attitude against me (still respect ya though birch), but don't worry bout my eyesite birch, I can see you just fine through my T7 thermal goggles.

Can't take them all on at once Egg...Let's regroup a while after this last 7 years freeing a country from a murderous dictator, who's country is key to stability in the region...NK?, well I think their neighbors China will take care of them..Done deal..And Iran?..well, They may just have a little nuclear incident before you know it...Those reactors and uranium enriching plants were put together pretty fast ya know....who knows what will happen....Bottom line, the original question was about Iraq..let's not deflect .

 

[Warrenlm]

Could not find a thread I'd expect to, so posting here. Expecting someone to parallel post in a better thread this story about the apparently growing danger to Americans in Iraq at the moment. Americans being evacuated from Iraqi air base as militants advance | Fox News

 

[nnuut]

This is another nice mess he got us into!

 

[Buffalo_Nickle]

Saigon 1975 all over again, we will never learn,

 

[Boghie]

Rev em up... Get the Air Support from the Libyan campaign warming up...