Tally - December 2005

[FundSurfer]

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Dec Nov Oct Qtr 6 mon 2005 Total
Dakota 2.51% 4.01% -1.45% 5.06% 12.07% 14.01%
Show-me 2.65% 1.96% 0.98% 5.68% 13.92% 13.43%
Rolo 4.64% 2.44% -2.90% 4.08% 13.36% 11.28%
Neirbod 3.43% 3.13% -2.07% 4.46% 13.98% 10.16%
Pyriel 0.37% 4.85% -2.30% 2.82% 8.73% 7.89%
Skip 0.26% 4.21% 2.80% 7.40% 7.43% 7.69%
Systemtrade 3.18% 3.46% -2.09% 4.52% 7.66% 7.62%
Rod 1.29% 4.91% 1.09% 7.42% 8.60% 7.56%
DrD 2.55% 1.40% -1.27% 2.66% 8.45% 6.95%
TSPgo 0.87% 2.43% -1.53% 1.74% 5.84% 6.22%
Mike 1.29% 3.76% 0.44% 5.57% 6.38% 5.21%
Safetyguy -0.44% 2.75% -0.37% 1.92% 3.00% 3.94%
Beavis 1.02% 4.19% 0.02% 5.28% 12.26% #N/A
Milkman 4.56% 2.49% 1.85% 9.14% 11.61% #N/A
TennisGuy 0.83% 2.82% 2.39% 6.15% 10.37% #N/A
Cowboy 2.03% 2.72% -0.43% 4.35% 8.37% #N/A
Smine 1.58% 1.78% 0.19% 3.59% 7.79% #N/A
Faustus 0.45% 2.68% 0.66% 3.83% 6.19% #N/A
Tekno 0.29% 1.73% -1.51% 0.48% 6.05% #N/A
Gritz 0.64% 4.13% -2.35% 2.33% 5.90% #N/A
Birchtree 0.07% 3.75% -1.66% 2.11% 5.78% #N/A
Bassplayer 0.22% 0.22% -0.43% 0.01% 4.92% #N/A
Dave 0.88% 2.65% -1.29% 2.21% 4.87% #N/A
Asian 1.99% 3.52% -2.36% 3.09% 4.83% #N/A
Spaf 0.45% 4.42% -0.74% 4.11% 4.13% #N/A
Biggdog 1.42% 3.42% -2.87% 1.87% 4.02% #N/A
Citizen -0.18% 2.28% -1.77% 0.29% 3.88% #N/A
Nnut 2.70% 2.23% -2.03% 2.87% 2.99% #N/A
Aggie76 0.71% 0.88% 0.17% 1.77% 2.33% #N/A
CSI 0.45% 0.36% 0.36% 1.18% 2.29% #N/A
Namor 0.43% 1.43% -2.94% -1.13% -0.10% #N/A
Roman777 -0.18% 0.29% -2.73% -2.62% -0.15% #N/A
Grandma 0.05% 3.05% 2.19% 5.36% #N/A #N/A
ATCJeff 2.59% 2.89% -0.37% 5.16% #N/A #N/A
Jovarn 0.34% 5.02% -0.52% 4.82% #N/A #N/A
GGal 1.36% 3.91% -0.57% 4.72% #N/A #N/A
Phlames 3.17% 3.56% -2.26% 4.43% #N/A #N/A
TSP_Elvis 2.10% 3.58% -2.62% 2.99% #N/A #N/A
Ron 1.20% 2.33% -1.23% 2.27% #N/A #N/A
mfm6376 0.07% 3.75% -1.66% 2.11% #N/A #N/A
OU81200 0.62% 4.35% #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A
oldschool 1.19% 3.00% #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A
soldat 5.56% #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A
Master 2.15% #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A
RDPillow 1.99% 3.16% #N/A #N/A #N/A #N/A

G-fund 0.45% 0.36% 0.36% 1.18% 2.29% 4.49%
F-fund 0.95% 0.38% -0.75% 0.57% -0.09% 2.40%
C-fund 0.07% 3.75% -1.66% 2.11% 5.78% 4.96%
S-fund 0.37% 4.72% -2.33% 2.65% 8.18% 10.45%
I-fund 4.64% 2.44% -2.90% 4.08% 14.82% 13.63%
20% Ea Fund 1.30% 2.33% -1.46% 2.15% 6.16% 7.29%

Note: Compounding is not included in these percentage gains. This is done since everyone did not start on the same date. If you have calculated these numbers yourself, you will get a slightly different answer (usually lessthan a couple hundreths of a percent but can be higher especially toward the end of the year if you started in January.)

You had to have started posting in November to be added to this Tally.

This Tally brought to you courtesy of Milk_man who has compiled these numbers. All I have done is print the result. Thanks Milkman for the service!

If you find an error in your spreadsheet, let milkman or myself know so we can correct the spreadsheet. Milkmane-mails the speadsheet to those who ask. There are a lot of numbers entered and mistakes do happen. Hopefully one day we will get this completely automated, but that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Mike]

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I beat the G and C fund? Wow, I guess I'm not a total idiot after all.

Dakota w/ a 14% return... that's very impressive with this year's unusual market action (bad January / good September :shock.


Edit: Happy New Year!

 

[mlk_man]

Fundsurfer, this tally didn't post as nicely as the others. Any chance of cleaning it up or posting it again?

BTW, Dakota had the highest yearly return(14.01%), I had the highest quarter(9.14%) and soldat had the highest month(5.56%).

My personal belief is that if you are able to beat the 20% in each fund scenerio then you had a great year because this is what I believe the average TSP participate who doesn't manage their account should be doing.

If you were able to beat the G fund then I think it'd be considered an good year. Anything less is not too good.

Of course one's own goal is the ultimate assesser.

Good luck this year,

M_M

 

[FundSurfer]

Re-Post

The post was good before being imported. I'll have to figure out the best way to post the Tally. The size limitation won't let me post a jpg file with the tally and for some reason this board deletes spaces..

I'm attaching a simple text file.

 

[mlk_man]

These are the averages for everyone that has been posting at TSPtalk.com:

Yearly average per participant:

8.50%​

6-month average per participant:

6.80%​

3-month average per participant:

3.40%​

 

[neirbod]

Mlk_Man,

In my personal tracker my 2005 return is around 8.4 %, not as good as what you posted. Can you send me your spreadsheet so I can look for the discrepancy. I hope the error is in my calculation, not yours!

Thanks,

Dave

 

[mlk_man]

Mlk_Man,

In my personal tracker my 2005 return is around 8.4 %, not as good as what you posted. Can you send me your spreadsheet so I can look for the discrepancy. I hope the error is in my calculation, not yours!

Thanks,

Dave

Dave, the returns we show are actually componded. ie, based on a "real balance" so they will most likely be a little higher than if done otherwise.

I can still send you the tracker but I need some place to send it to.............

 

[neirbod]

Mlk, Can you PM me with an attachment? If that doesn't work, please email the file to: [Edit]

Thanks!

Dave

Edit by Spaf: [Info recieved, covered ur e-mail from trollers. Mlk can use ur e-mail via a PM!]

 

[mlk_man]

Just sent you the tracker. Looking through quickly, I found a mistake from early Sept. This was before my time.

I'll go through it right quick.

 

[mlk_man]

Mlk_Man,

In my personal tracker my 2005 return is around 8.4 %, not as good as what you posted. Can you send me your spreadsheet so I can look for the discrepancy. I hope the error is in my calculation, not yours!

Thanks,

Dave

Looks like it was your Sept. 2nd transfer. The tracker had it on Sept. 9th instead. Now have you at 8.91% for last year.

 

[FundSurfer]

Actually compounding has been removed.

I actually took out compounding effect to put all numbers on equal footing month to month. That way someone who starts in November will have monthly totals comparable to someone who has started in January and had an incredible year.

Milk_man if you do any changes e-mail me the updated sheet. I'll be preparing a new sheet for 2006 this week. I'll hold over monthly totals so the rolling quarter and 6 month numbers will still be given. We need the space for another year, especially for our more active traders.

 

[neirbod]

Looks like it was your Sept. 2nd transfer. The tracker had it on Sept. 9th instead. Now have you at 8.91% for last year.

Ok, that is close to what I have. Too bad, I liked your initial tally better!

 

[cowboy]

Tracker

Tracker only shows 6 months of return what about 9 months for quarterly return results.

 

[mlk_man]

The "tracker" shows returns for each IFT throughout the year. The "tally" shows monthly, quarterly, 6-monthly(?), and yearly results. All depends on when one started.

 

[cowboy]

So it is missing the 9 month total correct? Actually what you should show is First 1/4, 2nd 1/4, 3rd qtr, then 4th 1/4. So everyone can tell how they have done wether they were in the full year or not. So it is not so confusing. By doing so for example my track would most likely show a higher return then what you have as you are only showing my return for the last 6 months and is missing Jan -June. Even though I was tracked all year except the first week or so. This would give a running total to years end. So my track would show; N/A first 1/4 then show 2-4 to give my final 9 month total and tracked yearly total. It doesn't matter when you started tracking. It is how everyone is progressing is it not? It gives everyone a chance to compare to the leaders or follow those that are doing well. I realize this thing is getting very large and hard to handle. The tracker lost a lot of hard work in the way currently presented and to me is useless to those that are trying to view it. The only use the tracker has is so that members can determine whom to possibly follow at a given time. It seems the tracker tracked my account all year then threw out the first half of the year. Sorry to rain on the tally's parade for the year. As I know some have worked hard on this project. By doing so next quarter would give me a full years total for my account and possibly others to compare to a full year of other members. Hope this doesn't confuse everyone. This then puts everyone on the same playing field even if they didn't start tracking until July as they would have a full year this coming July. Just my .02 cents on the tracker. I am just trying to improve the tracker. So as more members you track the more yearly totals you will generate quarterly. Except you wont call it yearly it will be just be 4th quarter.

 

[pyriel]

Cowboy,
The trackers don't track posters the way you think. Track sheets always start off at the beginning of the year. What you are proposing is keeping last year's data and migrating them to the new year's track sheet just so posters could show quarterly returns year round. That was never the intent when the track sheet was created. It was supposed to show yearly return since the posters inception of posting their moves. The quarterly or six month breakdown that trackers provide is a caveat to the multiple load of work that they have to do. Many people are receiving the track sheet on a weekly basis which the trackers (it happens to fall under MM's lap at this time) are religiously updating. People can view all of posters moves since they started to be tracked. Your perception that the tracker will just continue to keep tracking through the new year is unfounded. To do this will bring the track sheet to be so big that it will be hard to be sent out and/or received by those follow people's moves.
On the other hand, I would like to applaud MM's and Fundsurfer's work in keeping up with the tally sheet. It is so much easier to be on the sideline and bring out the negativity of their hard work. I also don't feel that they lost a lot of hard work by not reporting poster's other quarterly returns since those who really wants to see it have already PM MM their email address. Just my two cents.
Pyriel

 

[cowboy]

Cowboy,
The trackers don't track posters the way you think. Track sheets always start off at the beginning of the year. What you are proposing is keeping last year's data and migrating them to the new year's track sheet just so posters could show quarterly returns year round. That was never the intent when the track sheet was created. It was supposed to show yearly return since the posters inception of posting their moves. The quarterly or six month breakdown that trackers provide is a caveat to the multiple load of work that they have to do. Many people are receiving the track sheet on a weekly basis which the trackers (it happens to fall under MM's lap at this time) are religiously updating. People can view all of posters moves since they started to be tracked. Your perception that the tracker will just continue to keep tracking through the new year is unfounded. To do this will bring the track sheet to be so big that it will be hard to be sent out and/or received by those follow people's moves.
On the other hand, I would like to applaud MM's and Fundsurfer's work in keeping up with the tally sheet. It is so much easier to be on the sideline and bring out the negativity of their hard work. I also don't feel that they lost a lot of hard work by not reporting poster's other quarterly returns since those who really wants to see it have already PM MM their email address. Just my two cents.
Pyriel

I see you are implying that the tracker can't be used in this way! I quess my thought was that even though it only tracks a year. It wouldn't matter what the date of start up is and you could clear out a quarter and start inputing new. Too bad it won't work that way! I realize the tracker takes a lot of time. This is basically why it will become short lived. I am disappointed in how the year end tally is shown on the web site though. What a mess! Have fun tracking the most aggressive mover on the board in 2006! You track and I will try to make cash!!

 

[Wheels]

Have fun tracking the most aggressive mover on the board in 2006!

Milk is the tracker AND probably the most aggressive mover so no problem there.

Milk, I for one appreciate the tracker. I know it's a lot of work. I think the best feature is that it keeps people from making unstubstantiated and outrageous claims.

Dave
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[cowboy]

Milk is the tracker AND probably the most aggressive mover so no problem there.

Milk, I for one appreciate the tracker. I know it's a lot of work. I think the best feature is that it keeps people from making unstubstantiated and outrageous claims.

Dave
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Oh!! Darn here I thought I was !! Damn I got beat again! Hey, but can he make cash!! LOL!!

 

[mlk_man]

Whoa, no way was I gonna read all that.........

Let me reiterate, the "tracker" tracks each IFT posted by someone all year. The "tally" posts a summation of what one has done month to month for the last 3 months. It also states what one has made for the last quarter(this is a 3 month total), 6-month period, and YTD (year to date). Since you started posting mid-Jan, your first quarter wouldn't show up until April.

Cowboy, you're moves have been tracked since Jan 13th of last year. I assume you don't get the tracker through e-mail or just have never bothered to look at it. I know what you did and what you didn't. If you go into the "members allocation" thread and look back, you'll see each monthly tally. If you would like me to post what your actual return was for the year, the first two weeks are based on what you stated in your account, I will, but I'd rather not.........

Good luck,

M_M