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Dems deride big FEHBP changes lost in 'fine print'

By Melissa Turley, cyberFEDS® Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Some 4 million federal employees in the Blue Cross Blue Shield Standard Option received some disquieting news this open season. For the first time, enrollees who elect out-of-network surgery will be responsible for 100 percent of the cost up to $7,500, effective Jan. 1. They are currently responsible for 25 percent of the plan's allowance plus any difference between that and the billed amount. But what really stuck in the craw of Democrats on the House federal workforce subcommittee is that the Office of Personnel Management "buried" the information in benefit materials so that unsuspecting enrollees who automatically renew coverage wouldn't think to look for it. "This unfortunate revelation will make subscribers look closer. The cost increase is in the fine print," Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C., said. "But ... federal employees, they get it." Open season ends Monday, so benefits administrators should be prepared to assist federal employees who wish to make changes to their coverage in the waning days of the period.

Surgery includes obstetrical care, biopsy procedures, treatment of burns, and colonoscopy, among other procedures. The $7,500 is not a onetime deductive expense and applies for each additional procedure. It does not pertain to emergency surgery or surgery for accidental injuries. For emergency surgery, members are responsible for 30 percent of the plan allowance, which is subject to the deductible. They must also pay the difference between the allowance and billed charges up to $5,000. For surgeries performed within 72 hours of an accidental injury, the member must pay the difference between the surgeon's bill and the plan allowance, up to $5,000, but the deductible does not apply.

Nancy Kichak, OPM's associate director for HR policy, defended her agency. She said the change was designed to protect enrollees who were paying upwards of $10,000 or more for treatment. In one case, a BCBS member paid $58,000 for back surgery, while BCBS paid $5,700 for the procedure. "Patients could not predict their out-of-pocket costs when using non-participating providers until the health expenses had been incurred and benefits were provided by the doctors," Kichak said. She emphasized that employees will have to make more informed decisions about their coverage, and that the change doesn't apply to employees who use in-network physicians.

Still, Dr. Peter Petrucci, president of medical staff for Sibley Memorial Hospital, said patients should have the right to choose their doctors. This could be achieved by BCBS keeping the costs for anesthesia, surgery, endoscopic procedures, and emergency room care at the 2008 level. He also took issue with the fact that BCBS and other insurers leave "surgery" loosely defined when it can include a procedure as minimal as resetting a bone.

Rep. John Sarbanes, D-Md., recommended OPM offer enrollees a choice of paying the 25 percent or $7,500 for enrollees using out-of-network coverage. Kichak said OPM will take the proposals into consideration. She also vowed to improve the agency's benefits communication after Norton claimed their materials were written too "bureaucratically." "We will work on the language," Kichak replied. Stephen Gammarino, senior vice president for BCBS Association National Programs, said the benefit may be redefined for 2010. "Ironically, it was to protect our members from having to pay exorbitant balances that we worked with OPM to negotiate a different benefit," he said.


Other noteworthy changes to BCBS Standard Option for 2009, according to the BCBS brochure, include:

Per visit physician co-payment will increase from $15 to $20.The catastrophic limit for preferred providers will boost from $4,500 to $5,000.
The hospital copayment per admission will go up from $100 to $200.
Copayment for mail order drugs will rise from $35 to $65 for a 90-day supply.
 
You know I really think they have overstepped their bounds on this one, all of that and raise the premium 13%!! I have until the close of business Monday, and have been studying this thing for a month. I think I'm going to CANCEL BCBS and transfer to another provider just because they are a bunch of D----, and they can St--- -- where the sun don't shine!! Let's play follow the leader!!:cool: Bartflashing.gif
 
You know I really think they have overstepped their bounds on this one, all of that and raise the premium 13%!! I have until the close of business Monday, and have been studying this thing for a month. I think I'm going to CANCEL BCBS and transfer to another provider just because they are a bunch of D----, and they can St--- -- where the sun don't shine!! Let's play follow the leader!!:cool: View attachment 5200

If these groups were truly competative, prices would look a whole lot more
attractive. The only competition I see is entitled;

"WHO CAN MAKE THE MOST COMPLEX PACKAGE OF BENEFITS AND MAKE IT
LOOK INEXPENSIVE WHILE RAPING THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE"

Norm, I made a mistake on my FEGLI Coverage back in 1990. I didn't find
this out until after their 1997 "Open Season". The one before that was in
1992. I still can't change my Part C until they finally decide to have one.
It's been 11, going on 12 years now. Life Insurance and Health Benefits
are vital and the premiums are cheaper then in the private sector. But
everytime I speak of these companies, I tend to get a knot in the pit of
my stomach and simply want to barf on their suites. :mad:
 
You know I really think they have overstepped their bounds on this one, all of that and raise the premium 13%!! I have until the close of business Monday, and have been studying this thing for a month. I think I'm going to CANCEL BCBS and transfer to another provider
I've had BCBS for years ... decades. And I'm voting with my feet this year. BCBS covered half of all federal employees in 2008, and thought they could sneak these changes in costs and coverage in without anyone noticing. Well, we noticed!!

Open season dates MAY be lengthened as a result, but unless there is a big OPM announcement, I hope people don't count on being able to have more time to decide.

PEOPLE, LOOK AT YOUR HEALTH COVERAGES FOR 2009 CLOSELY THIS OPEN SEASON! MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE!

okay, I'll quit yelling now :embarrest:

Lady
 
I've had BCBS for years ... decades. And I'm voting with my feet this year. BCBS covered half of all federal employees in 2008, and thought they could sneak these changes in costs and coverage in without anyone noticing. Well, we noticed!!

Open season dates MAY be lengthened as a result, but unless there is a big OPM announcement, I hope people don't count on being able to have more time to decide.

PEOPLE, LOOK AT YOUR HEALTH COVERAGES FOR 2009 CLOSELY THIS OPEN SEASON! MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE!

okay, I'll quit yelling now :embarrest:

Lady

I hear you! Thanks for this important health benefits, info, tsp friends. Lady, may I please ask where are your feet taking you? I was planning to go through all the brochures today, after being on vacation for a couple of weeks. I had wanted to just re-up my BCBS, even with the 13% increase, but not with this new hidden information. I wanted some kind of vision plan, but I'm not sure if it's even worth it to try.

I've haven't met you yet, but I am a fan of reading yours and SB's very informative posts about investing and our retirement accounts. Thank you *both* as always!

EDITED: I just remembered to look on the other forums, for answers to my open season info. I knew I had been reading about it here at tsptalk, but lost track of the thread. Found it, and will go there for my questions and answers, instead of SB's account thread. Thanks again, and sorry for any little intrusion! :)
 
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With such a short time to compare the many different plans, I would like to know if any of you guys have found better options that you can share with us? Please advise.
 
I hear you! Thanks for this important health benefits, info, tsp friends. Lady, may I please ask where are your feet taking you? I was planning to go through all the brochures today, after being on vacation for a couple of weeks. I had wanted to just re-up my BCBS, even with the 13% increase, but not with this new hidden information. I wanted some kind of vision plan, but I'm not sure if it's even worth it to try.

I've haven't met you yet, but I am a fan of reading yours and SB's very informative posts about investing and our retirement accounts. Thank you *both* as always!

EDITED: I just remembered to look on the other forums, for answers to my open season info. I knew I had been reading about it here at tsptalk, but lost track of the thread. Found it, and will go there for my questions and answers, instead of SB's account thread. Thanks again, and sorry for any little intrusion! :)
http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=197559&postcount=39

For any others who might be interested here it is. Got to run. Take care, all!

Lady
 
PEOPLE, LOOK AT YOUR HEALTH COVERAGES FOR 2009 CLOSELY THIS OPEN SEASON! MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE!
Lady

You have touched on the very soul of this MB. Thanks for helping others
see why this place is so unique and important !

With such a short time to compare the many different plans, I would like to know if any of you guys have found better options that you can share with us? Please advise.

Sorry Airlift, but I have no alternatives. However, there is a link that was
called "SmartChoice" which I found very helpful and was posted in the
thread called "FEHB 2009". Here's the Link; http://plansmartchoice.com/ Check it out !

Lady,
Thanks for the link; and thanks for burning the oil (and the lamp) for us!

Ditto my good friend,,,,,Ditto ! Lady is a well polished Gem !


Thanks MXX, I appreciate your contribution !

I wanted some kind of vision plan, but I'm not sure if it's even worth it to try. I've haven't met you yet, but I am a fan of reading yours and SB's very informative posts about investing and our retirement accounts. Thank you *both* as always!

EDITED: Found it, and will go there for my questions and answers, instead of SB's account thread. Thanks again, and sorry for any little intrusion! :)

This thread was built to help other members become more aware of those
things which affect our Governmental Wallets and Purses. It leans more
towards the TSP, however, any contribution that helps our fellow TSPtalk
members is more then welcome. Please feel comfortable and at home.
 
Stocks: More pain, more gains?
Stocks rallied toward the end of last week despite abysmal news on the economy. This week brings readings on housing, consumer spending and the trade gap.
By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer
December 6, 2008: 7:13 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The worst monthly jobs report in 34 years failed to send stocks lower late last week, begging the question of whether the market has finally found that elusive bottom. Not likely, analysts say. But the stock gains on Friday and over eight of the last 10 sessions, despite a barrage of increasingly awful economic news, are certainly notable. The week ahead tests the trend, as investors digest reports on housing, inventories, jobless claims, the trade gap, producer prices, retail sales and consumer sentiment. All are expected to show weakness. (For details click here).

The week ahead also could bring a breakthrough for the automaker industry, with Congress expected to come up with some sort of proposition to help the Big Three. GM, Ford Motor and Chrysler went to Capitol Hill last week to plead for a $34 billion bailout for the troubled industry. (Full story)

Polls show a majority of Americans don't want to see a government bailout of the automakers - not when so many other industries are ailing too. But economists say the impact to the economy and to the labor market should any one of the companies fail would be devastating. And the last thing investors need is more abysmal news on the economy. On Friday, the government said the economy shed 533,000 jobs in November, and its September and October job-loss numbers were revised upward. In total, the economy has lost 1.9 million jobs in 2008, worse than what it lost in the 2001 recession. During the week, AT&T, JP Morgan and other companies announced more than 43,000 job cuts.

Early last week, the National Bureau of Economic Research confirmed what many have long assumed: that the economy is in a recession. NBER put the start date at around Dec. 2007. "Given the economic environment we are in and the startling job loss in November, this would probably be as bad a time as I can think of to let the Big Three go without funding," said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group. Even with some sort of loan package, the companies will still restructure and shrink, but it's the difference between an orderly slowdown and a fast retreat, he said. And the economy is in no shape for a fast retreat. Alternately, "if the auto funding matters get resolved, that is going to be a big boost for both consumer spending and the market psychology," said Tim Speiss, head of the Wealth Advisory Practice at Eisner LLP.

Stocks don't need any more bad news. Between closing at an all-time high on Oct. 9, 2007 and the recent low on Nov. 20, the S&P 500 shed 52%. "The big question is how much of the negative news has been priced in," said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "Was that 52% enough?" Stocks have rallied 16% since that November low. While that's encouraging, Detrick said investors are bound to sell into year-end, with both individuals and professionals looking to cash out. Last week, investors pulled roughly $12 billion out of equity mutual funds, after putting $!0.4 billion into funds in the previous week. Investors have cashed out of equity mutual funds in 16 of the last 18 weeks.

Economy:

Tuesday: The Pending Home Sales index for October is likely to add to evidence that the housing market hasn't bottomed yet. Sales likely fell 2.3% in the month after sliding 4.6% in September, according to Briefing.com forecasts.

Wednesday: October wholesale inventories are expected to have risen 0.2% after falling 0.1% in the previous month.

Thursday: The October trade balance is expected to have narrowed to $54.0 billion from $56.5 billion in September.

Friday: The November Producer Price Index (PPI) is expected to have fallen 1.8% after falling 2.8% in the previous month. The so-called "core" PPI, which strips out volatile food and energy, is expected to have risen 0.2% after rising 0.4% in October. Retail sales are expected to have fallen 1.4% in November after falling 2.8% in October. Excluding volatile autos, sales are expected to have fallen 1.7% after falling 2.2% in October. Business inventories are expected to have dropped 0.1% in October after falling 0.2% in September. And consumer sentiment is expected to improve modestly, with the University of Michigan's index expected to rise to 58.0 from a previous read of 55.3

http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/06/markets/markets_weekahead/index.htm
 
YTD IDX returns: YTD TSP returns: YTD SB current returns:
SPX= -40.34%.....C=...-39.05%....-14.05% (my figures):worried:
DW.= -44.29%.....S=.. -43.00%....
EFA= -48.82%......I=...-48.50%...
AGG= -01.83%.....F=.. +02.54%...
...........................G=...+03.55%...

MTD IDX returns: MTD TSP returns: MTD SB current returns:
SPX= -02.25%.....C=...-02.24%....-01.29%(my figures):worried:
DW.= -03.13%.....S=...-03.27%....
EFA= -03.71%......I=...-03.70%...
AGG=+00.88%.....F=...+00.87%...
...........................G=...+00.04%..
 
Every Little Bit Helps ! But they still owe the (I)
Funders and it looks like we'll have to wait until
Monday to get it ! With a little Luck !

After seeing the Employment figures come out at 8:30am, there
appeared to be no hope for any fund but the (F). The way Rick
Santelli announced the figures, could have sent anyone to a padded
cell with all sharp objects removed by force. I remember laughing at
the one interview when I heard a floor trader say "the Market could
claw its way back up to even by mid day". The (I) Fund lagged badly
behind the US Market in its daily returns, but a positive is nothing
to be taken for granted on this day. A payback of $0.0487 TSPCents
came ontop of it all and drove the deficit down to Goal Levels. The
deficit remains at $0.0813 TSP Cents and we're looking forward to
seeing Monday come up positive too. The (I) Funders want every
last penny left behind. ;)

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(11/10/08)+0.4357%+0.0029 tsp cents
(11/11/08) -0.4275%+0.0606 tsp cents (TSP Holiday)
(11/12/08)+0.5121% -0.0083 tsp cents
(11/13/08) -1.5707%+0.2074 tsp cents
(11/14/08)+0.4616%+0.1363 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(11/17/08)+0.2385%+0.1035 tsp cents
(11/18/08)+0.0615%+0.0958 tsp cents
(11/19/08)+0.7053%+0.0048 tsp cents
(11/20/08)+0.4283% -0.0446 tsp cents
(11/21/08) -0.9898%+0.0732 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(11/24/08)+0.8559% -0.0785 tsp cents
(11/25/08) -0.4855% -0.0155 tsp cents
(11/26/08) -0.8046%+0.0909 tsp cents
(11/27/08) -0.8046%+0.0909 tsp cents (Holiday)
(11/28/08) -0.1318%+0.0735 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(12/01/08)+0.6216% -0.0081 tsp cents
(12/02/08) -0.6385%+0.0734 tsp cents
(12/03/08) -0.6890%+0.1629 tsp cents
(12/04/08)+0.2253%+0.1299 tsp cents
(12/05/08)+0.3991%+0.0812 tsp cents;)

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(12/08/08)

THE KEY:
------------------------------------------------- THEY OWE US ----
+.2000 thru+.2500 Elavated Deficit, (Windfall Coming)
+.1500 thru+.2000 High Deficit (Rarely Goes Higher)
+.1000 thru+.1500 Medium Deficit (Flip A Coin)
+.0000 thru+.1000 Low Deficit (Goal is Met);)

------------------------------------------------- WE OWE THEM ---
- .0000 thru -.1000 Minimum Overpayment (Goal is Met)
- .1000 thru -.1500 Low Overpayment, (Flip A Coin)
- .1500 thru -.2000 Medium Overpayment (Rarely Goes Higher)
- .2000 thru -.2500 Elavated Overpayment, (Payback Immanent)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Well, all the futures point to a continuation of Fridays gains, but we all
know how that could turn out by days end. The Japan Market closed up
+5.20% and Europe is up +3.84%. Austriala was also closed up +3.69%.
I'd love to get excited about what I see so far, but I know thare's red Bear
up in them thare hills ! If we get a announcement about the Big 3 today,
thats when I'll get truly excited. I'd expect such a announcement would
have the "shorts" running for cover. I'll be happy enough to keep my shorts
(pun intended) in this kind of Market Environment. Good Luck To All. ;)
 
If today carries itself like the Futures, I'll lean toward spreading out my
portfolio (instead of 100% I-FUND) and lowering my holding that are at
risk. Definately (G) is in the picture, quantity has yet to be determined.
I'm still researching the (F) Fund for possible inclusion into the mix, but
I lack any confidence in this fund to begin with. It will be a 11:45am
decision, but a change is highly likely at this point. A three or four %
gain today would leave me with single digit losses on a YTD basis. With
all things considered, I'm one of the lucky ones and greed could change
that luck rather quickly. I'm hearing friends and coworkers talk about the
TSP losses of 47k - 50k this year. It's a shame that many of them don't
have the time to EVER recover from such a hit. :(
 
Your friends will regain their account values providing they sit tight and use DCAing to their benefit. The same thing happened in the last cyclical bear market in 2000-2002 - the redeemer is to DCA the bottom for the lower prices and greater share accumulations. Since September my C fund share prices are: $13.86, 10.32, 10.06, 10.70, 9.20, 10.09 - the longer the rebound takes the more shares owned and it's the number of shares that will make everyone whole - same as last time. Just keep DCAing along the bottom and then up out of the well.
 
Your friends will regain their account values providing they sit tight and use DCAing to their benefit. The same thing happened in the last cyclical bear market in 2000-2002 - the redeemer is to DCA the bottom for the lower prices and greater share accumulations. Since September my C fund share prices are: $13.86, 10.32, 10.06, 10.70, 9.20, 10.09 - the longer the rebound takes the more shares owned and it's the number of shares that will make everyone whole - same as last time. Just keep DCAing along the bottom and then up out of the well.

DCA'ing with 100% in the (I) Fund would not benefit me at all. That would
simply mean I'd absorb what ever the market gave while adding cheaper
shares through payroll contributions. (ouch). But I do "NOT" disagree with
you. When I decide on the funds I wish diverse in and how long I plan on
maintaining such, DCA'ing will allow me to stay in the game longer and
possibly benefit even more through cheaper prices. Call me CRAZY, but
using my <1% IFT method allows for this, while keeping within acceptable
losses during the struggle. My move to the (I) Fund was created on the
basis of hitting a short term rally, as I did in November. It would appear
that I have. Now I plan on "selling into any rally" while leaving some money
in the funds to accumulate possible gains or cheaper share prices.
 
My last post is not my final move for the month. I still have too much
money at risk for my confort zone. I will ultimately drive my %'s down
to 5% in the risk funds. I lean towards tomorrow being mixed. But if we
see another strong day, that 5% could come into play as soon as then.
But I don't want to bail too early, so this will be a day to day decision
until I reach my <1%IFT Zone. ;)
 
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