So, how bad could our TSP Accounts be hurt by who Bush picks to replace Greenspan?

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Yeah, I bought some of the stuff back in the 80's too and sold in in the late 90's probably at a loss.

Earlier I posted something about a sort of economic alliance between Iran and Venezuela and it is based large part of their oil production. That is the wild card in all of this.

Funny how some ofthe biggest beneficiaries of American oil consumption dislike our government's policies the most.

But if the rest of the developing world's economiesare to increasetheir consumption, well it would turn on their consumption of oil. It would be great if there was a way for developing nations -- other than China -- to have more or it without harming consumers/the economyhere, but so far that has not been the case.

It would rest upon this: if they are to develop more, we would have to use less/conserve more of the stuff. And that would be done either willingly or unwillingly ... both choices expensive in the short run, but maybe the former involving less bloodshed.
 
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The price of gold rather than anything else has shown the results of its monetary policy. Lately, gold has become the best place for financial returns, and that is a poor reflection on the Fed if not the economy.

Very true. Gold bottomed around 2000-2001 at $255 or thereabouts. With gold around the $500 mark that is roughly a 22% gain each year. Not a bad long-term, low risk,buy and hold return.

SomeoneI spoke withon the phone a few weeks ago, when gold was around the $440.00 mark, said they would like to get some, but it has gone up so much lately. My response was, "In 1980 dollar terms the price of gold today would be around $200.00 an ounce as the dollar has lostmore than half of its purchasing power since then. Today, for gold to reach its equivalent 1980 high of $850.00 an ounce, the price in today'sfunny moneywould have to be $1600-1700. Now whaddayathink?"

Unless there is a fundamental and proactiveshift in monetary policy capable of reigning in the triple deficits, the dollar will have to fall and gold, consequently,will rise. Any belief other than that is based upon the myth that money grows on trees much like this generation believes milk comes from milk cartons and food comes from cereal boxes. Kinda of funny...a few years ago a nutrition study was done in which one group of rats was given a popular brand of cereal to eat while the other control group was given the cardboard box the cereal came in. The rats eating the box lived longer. We've got a whole generation of mushheads out there who could've increased their life span by simplydumping the cereal and eating the box. And, these people vote...:s
 
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But that is only half of the good news/bad news story. The Fed's recent announcement about a neutral ... or at least not accomodative ... interest rate policy has perked up the equity markets.

Part of the good news is that it appears that the sweat equity of Pacific rimexporters has stayed the rise of gold. It seems to be settling around 510.

The problem the Fed and the economy is the Chinese yuan's peg with the dollar. Chances are China is using the valuation of its currency as a lever to make its gold purchases with its dollars. If the yuan is allowed to float, that would change things in regards to the Chinese government's gold purchases ... the fact that the yuan's appreciation would limit what it could do with dollar purchases of the stuff.

With interest rates approaching neutral, most people will be careful about buying or making frivilious purchases on money or incuring debt that is no longer cheap. The Fed's policy is to take the marginal, higher risk borrowers out of the market, while the credit card companies are doing all that they can to sidetrack that since that is where they make their most money.

The Goldilocks story happens if the growth of the US economy is based on productivity and not deficit/debt growth. With gold dropping $20 recently and the
Fed indicating a neutral interest rate environment is immenient some may see economic growth/GNP rising due to effenciences based on productivity. But if that is an illusion, lots of luck, gold's price will continue to wax.

I've been thinking about making a purchase of an ETF specializing in Canada as a natural resources/gold hedge. It seems like nations that are rich in natural resources and that also have smaller populationsare strivingto attain/maintaina standard of living that many too many Americans now a living in hock to maintain.

As a footnote though, China's play on gold is an attempt to limit growth, growth that is either real or inflated in its economy. One would figure it is smarter for its government and its policies to encourage domestic consumption and innovation rather than make crude gold purchases in its attempt to gain prosperity.
 
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Next key area for gold is $550-555. If it gets taken out in the next few weeks…and I think there is a good possibility of that happening…it won’t look back until it hits $750 or so.


The dollar is swishing around closer and closer to the deepwater end of the toilet bowl struggling furiously to avoid the undertow of those bobbing baby ruths as they inevitably fall victim to greater forces.

I think the I-Fund will continue to be a benefactor of a devalued dollar AND a robust Asian economy.

There is way too much jawboning and whining about the Chinese Yuan/Reminbi. The sniveling really needs to stop. The Chinese pegging of the yuan to the dollar was brilliant strategy on their part. They knew the best economic minds in the world were watching over the dollar and if they hung on tightly to the dollar’s skirt they would be relatively safe from any shenanigans of the monetary planners. All the jawboning and grandstanding, with politicians pointing fingers at China for manipulating their currency, was simply smoke and mirrors to keep J6P and SuzieSUV as clueless as ever. For every finger pointing at the Chinese there were three pointing back to OUR ‘manipulated’ currency. Isn’t that what central banks do…manipulate currency? By the Chinese pegging their currency to ours, they didn’t have to worry about this economic number or that economic number, they could relax and watch the show. Well, the FED and Treasury suits didn’t like the Chinese hanging on so tightly to their skirt. Matter of fact, it got down right annoying…and the Chinese held on even tighter and laughed at us for being so tight jawed over the matter.

They will keep the yuan pegged to the dollar, in one form or the other, until they believe it is no longer in their best interest to do so. They will also continue to diversify away from servicing the bankrupt American consumer. And, once that diversification is in place they will no longer have a need for purchasing dollars and the Yuan will be allowed to float. At that juncture, I see the Yuan or a basket of Asian currencies, of which the Yuan will be a component, serving as the world’s reserve currency. And gold will be one of the supporting pillars of this new world reserve currency The dollar will go the way of the British Pound…a player…but in the background somewhat. Matter of fact, in order to trade with the Asian Tigers, the rest of the world will have to do a little economic housekeeping. In other words, the trashy dollar will have to be swept off the porch or refurbished with some gold underpinnings in order to be made whole. This will be necessary for the dollar to once again regain some semblance of integrity in the financial world where a new sheriff in town will, if not already, be calling the financial shots. Once this very painful economic housekeeping (American consumer in detox and a streamlined-downsized, but very authoritarian U.S. gov’t) has taken place, the U.S. triple deficits will be under control and we will begin a new era playing economic 2[suP]nd[/suP] fiddle to the Asian Tigers with the Brits right behind us, pulling up 3[suP]rd[/suP].

Just my opinion, do your own due diligence.
 
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What a fine kettle of fish.

American debt is being snatched up so quickly and are in such demand overseas that long term interest rates are remaining historically low AND the yield curve is flattening.

One would figure that their subsidation of the nation's consumerism ... which bond holders and buyers are actually doing ... would be a good thing for the economy and would spur more demand from those nations exporting to the US. But it is leading to an inverted yield curve.

An inverted yield curve is not good for gold and gold holders since a recession is a sure fire way to put the breaks on any economic growth, let alone inflation.

Gold investors are counting on inflation to increase the value of their investment, and anything less than a recession plays into their hands and their respective economies?

The value of the dollar against other currencies surely has to play into all that.
 
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Interest rate adjustments, in this day and age of digital printing presses, are more noise than substance. With one hand they raise rates to tighten the supply of money and simultaneously, with the other hand, they are opening the liquidity flood gates. They are about as two-faced as they come. How they can shave in the morning is beyond my comprehension.

The Asians have a parallel interest, for the moment, in lending their printing presses to the task since ours were perceived[/i] to be a bit over heated. But how much longer will that last? And, does it really need to last? If the FED so desires, they can buy every American treasury bond the Asians discard and as fast as the Asians can discard them.

Bernanke will soon have a very rude awakening and that phrase, “timing is everything”, will haunt him his entire time as FED Chairman. When one can print money with reckless abandon there is little incentive not to. If you got a big toy, yah gotta use it…and Bernanke has expressed a willingness to use it.

There is one little fly in the ointment, however, and that is the price of gold.

Gold has been pooh poohed for the last twenty-five years or so as being a barbaric relic of a by-gone era. In spite of the bashing, however, gold has gone from $35 dollars in the early seventies to the current price of $515 or so. Gold peaked in 1980 at $850. The dollar has lost over half of its value since gold peaked in 1980. In 1980 dollar terms, the price of gold today is only about $235 or so. So, if one thinks gold is over bought at $515…they better think again.

If the FED/Treasury counterfeiters print with reckless abandon and that liquidity goes into real estate or stocks…no problemo. Why is that? Real estate bubbles, stock bubbles, they don’t care…bubbles are bubbles…this too shall pass, they say….and I guarantee you they (the counterfeiters) aren’t going to get sideswiped by a bubble. What makes gold different than stocks and real estate from the standpoint of representing a direct threat to the counterfeiters? They (the counterfeiters) know gold is REAL money. It is liquid and portable and can’t be counterfeited or diluted as currency and stocks can be. Pull one of those fed reserve notes out of your wallet and place it flat in one hand and place an American Gold Eagle one ounce gold coin in the other and ask yourself which one is REAL money. Better yet, listen to the distinct metallic ‘clinking’ sound of several gold or silver eagles being manipulated in one’s palm. Now try that with those clad (sandwiched coins) you have in your pocket and tell me which ones are REAL money.

Compare a 1 dollar reserve note with a 100 dollar reserve note and whaddaya see as a difference between them other than the ugly faces? Two extra zeros, possibly? Does the 100 dollar note weigh more than the 1 dollar note? Nope! Other than the two extra zeros printed on the face of the bill, what makes one note more valuable than the other? What makes the 100 dollar bill more valuable than the 1 dollar bill is ONLY the belief that it is more valuable and belief[/i] can be a very fragile thing. Once that belief[/i] is gone…the value is gone…unless you use it for fire starter…and that is exactly what was done with the German Mark. The German Mark, in all denominations, was more valuable as fire starter than it was as currency…in the end.

Not so, with gold. A 1/10 ounce gold eagle is significantly lighter and smaller in mass than the 1 ounce American Gold Eagle. Take a 1 ounce gold eagle coin and try stamping two extra zeros on the face of it and see if you can convince anyone you have a 100 ounce gold coin. Only a complete idiot would be fooled, but yet we have Harvard graduates telling us the funny money is real and that gold is a barbaric relic and sadly enough there are fools who buy that line.

Gold is the arch enemy of ALL fiat currencies and therefore the arch enemy of ALL central banks (counterfeiters). Gold depicts counterfeiters as the thieves they really are and these thieves, as all thieves do, resent having the curtain pulled back on their little con job.

The price of gold is currently explaining the nature of a fragile belief[/i] system in ALL things paper. Since gold normally rises when the dollar falls, what gives with the current strength in gold? I believe there are several things going for gold right now…

1. I think the FED is buying paper to make up for the foreign short fall thus keeping the dollar somewhat level.

2. The foreigners are taking advantage of the FED levitated dollar to off-load their dollar reserves and are buying gold.

3. I think there is a deriviative crisis in progress. Where there is smoke (?REFCO?), there is usually fire. The silence on REFCO is deafening. Something is up and the smart money knows it.

That explains the current strength in gold.

The central monetary planners will use interest rates to battle gold. The 64 million dollar question is, at what price of gold will they (the monetary planners) begin raising rates? They will attempt to lure the funny money away from gold by raising interest rates as they did in the late seventies and early eighties. And they won’t give a rat’s petuttie about the stock and real estate market when they do it. Just another bubble…this too shall pass, they will say. Once the triple deficits are in check and the greatest wealth transfer in history has taken place and the counterfeiters are resting peacefully in their hammocks on some quaint little island…the counterfeit con games will be over at least until a new batch of fools are born who can’t tell the difference between REAL money and counterfeit money.


Ignorance of money…what it is and what it isn’t…has been the greatest facilitator of financial mischief throughout the ages. There is nothing new under the Sun. The Romans didn’t have a printing press but instead had tools used to clip coins in circulation. The clipped portion of the coins were then melted and reissued in new coinage, effectively increasing the money supply and inflation. Today’s monetary con men are more sophisticated in their methodologies than their predecessors, but the game is the same…and their marks (then and now) are still dumber than clad coin.

In summary, I believe interest rates will be driven by the gold price. A higher gold price points to a worthless dollar and places gold in direct competition with the funny money the counterfeiters are depending on for their little swindle. The counterfeiters will do whatever they have to do to protect their little enterprise. Politics WILL take a back seat to these boyz and all these little FED induced bubbles, seen and unseen, will come to an end. The only question remaining is, at what price of gold will the action in interest rates begin in earnest? And, how much paper will the FED end up buying before they throw in the towel?

In 1980, the price of gold and the DOW were at a 1 to 1 ratio. Gold was at 850 and the DOW was at 850. I think we will again see a ratio of 1 to 1. But where along the scale will it be…850 and 850…3,000 and 3,000…10,000 and 10,000? Or, for the perma bulls who believe the DOW is headin’ for 30,000…how about 30,000 (gold) and a 30,000 (DOW)? My guess is somewhere around a $3,000 an ounce gold price and a 3,000 DOW. If I’m close to the mark, which asset class would you say was overvalued today, stocks or gold?

In my opinion, the I-Fund represents the best protection for your hard earned TSP dollars for the next 5-10 years. The Asian currencies will strengthen against the devalued dollar and their vibrant economy (built on real savings) will allow them to jettison the American shop til you drop debt junkies who will increasingly be looked upon as an unacceptable liability.
 
Why the Dollar is in a Long-Term Bear Market

A Real Washington Scandal

February 6, 2006
As economist Addison Wiggin states, however, "The Grand Experiment with paper money is running its inevitable course. Bernanke's biggest challenge is the challenge of central banking itself: You can control some things, but not everything. In the Fed's case, it can control the quantity of money or the quality of it, but not both at the same time."
All of these factors make it likely the U.S. dollar will continue to decline in value, perhaps precipitously, in the coming decade. Will it take an economic depression before the American public finally holds the political class accountable for its reckless borrowing, spending, and counterfeiting?
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst020606.htm


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Ron Paul asks the question, “Will it take an economic depression before the American public finally holds the political class accountable for its reckless borrowing, spending, and counterfeiting?”

Ron Paul is more of an optimist than I am. He’s a good guy with good intentions, but he is placing far too much stock in a political solution to the dilemma many Americans are currently refusing to see.

The solution to the problem of a counterfeit currency is to make sure as little of it as possible winds up in our own personal portfolios. Waiting around for a collective political solution based upon an ‘awakening’ of a dumbed-down, debt-doped populace is about as futile as trying to herd cats in the rain. Again, I have immense respect for Ron Paul, but he fails to realize there is no collective political solution capable of extricating the masses from the muck of political calamity. The solution is an individual one whereby each person recognizes the problem and implements the protective measures needed to avoid the traps.

Gold is telling the story, but few are listening…yet. The first phase (stealth phase) of the gold bull is over. We are currently in the second phase where institutional and hedge fund managers are starting to get on board. We will see increased volatility as the trend continues up and the black boxes begin overheating in their search for a safe harbor for their master’s funds. The third phase of the gold bull will be the mania phase (as in Tulip Mania). The end of that phase will be when my schmuck buddy with the comb over hops on board near the top…most likely between 2010-2012. That will signal the time to unload investment and speculative precious metals positions. The dollar will have been absolved of all of its sins, consumers will have been through detox, and interest rates will be declining from very lofty levels (20-30% or higher) which will be a good time to be in the G-Fund and F-Fund.

In the mean time, I’m holding onto the I-Fund selling up to a third of my position into strength (top of trend channel) and buying it back on weakness (bottom of trend channel) accumulating more shares in the process.
 
alternative hedge

PIMCO has a Developing Local Markets Fund (PLMAX) that seems a good hedge against higher interest rates and a weaking dollar. It may be an important element for a well balanced portpolio.
 
"Inflation is coming to kill you and your family!"

THE BERNANKE AGREEMENT
by The Mogambo Guru

I like the Reuters headline better, as it conveys a little more urgency, when they write, "January Consumer Prices Surge." I would love it more if the headline were a quote from The Mogambo, namely: "Inflation is coming to kill you and your family!"

But nobody wants to remember what happens to prices when you expand the money supply so much, which is that prices rise to accommodate all the money, and you get inflation in prices. If you think higher prices is a non-event, then get a load of this AP headline: "Families' budget squeezed by rising costs." The article went on to say, "From an economic point of view, core inflation - for now - isn't overly worrisome but it is 'generating some angst within the Fed,' said Sherry Cooper, chief economist at BMO Nesbitt Burns."

Apparently, Ms. Cooper is unaware of the irony that the article in which she is being quoted says that families are being "squeezed." And, I guess it is a matter of opinion whether or not a family being "squeezed" is "overly worrisome," although if Ms. Cooper would care to come over to my house, I will happily put her head in a vise and then she can tell me whether or not getting squeezed is "overly worrisome."

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/Issues/2006/DRUS030606.html
 
strong dollar now

The market seems to have entered into the doldrums with renewed fears of inflation and the Fed's increasingly hawkish outlook.
Over the past month or so the economic environment has not been rosey.

Perhaps the best place to be -- or at least have some part in -- is I Bonds or maybe even savings bonds (?) since as interest rates increase so with saving bond yields. It is tied into the 5 year Treasury rate.

Seems that oil prices and gold is in the doldrums as well ... both tied to market returns as well. Unhedged Foreign bond funds are also being affected by things lately.

So, the only thing doing well is, perhaps, cash, and to some extent there may be some positive gains to be realized by the C fund as the dollar strenghtens.

Thanks for that post Wimpy, it is interesting. One of these months I will have to buy that "Empire of Debt" book and read through it on my commute. But I don't know if gold is the place to be either. However I've recently seen
the IShare Canada return against the S&P 500 index over the past 10 years.
Check it out yourself.
 
sky will not fall

Hard for me to believe those doomsday scenarios. Okay, let's say American fiscal and its Central bank policies during the Reagan and Bush II administrations used counterfeit/fiat money to fuel a pseudo economic expansion based on debt ... or worse, simple illusion.

And let's say it will give way to some kind of hyper-inflation that can only be stopped by 25-30% interest rates in the USA.

If interest rates go THAT HIGH here, the rest of the bond markets world wide will certainly have to go up as much just to keep pace ... that is unless one believes that US debt will become MORE riskier than, say, Brazilian or Mexican debt.

It short, if something like that happened the bond, much more that stock markets world wide, would fail. It would change currencies, fiscal policies and economies worldwide.

Hard to believe.

Anyway, how many countries are on the gold standard today? And if none are, why not?

In any event, I have to admire most Scandanavian countries for PAYING AS THEY GO. I have no qualms about they way they have socialized medicine and their retirement systems. Some would say their tax systems are oppressive, but it is constructed on a pay as they go system and it is not being financed with trillion dollar debts.

Their healthcare system and retirement systems will be there for them, yet how many Americans have lost their healthcare and pensions -- or saw each one reduced if they had any at all?
 
So, how bad could our TSP Accounts be hurt by who Doofus picks to replace Greenspan?

You Have To Admire Ben Bernanke


by Bill Bonner


At last, at the head of the U.S. central bank is a man with the courage of his misconceptions. You have to admire Ben Bernanke. This week, he is scheduled to face down the entire global central-banking confrerie with the preposterous claim that U.S. deficits not only don't matter – they're actually good for the global economy.

Only an economics professor or a presidential candidate could fall for such a line; a man must be thoroughly trained in deception to deceive himself so completely. The rest of the world knows at once that it is at best a conceit and at worst, a scam.

How nice, after all, to think that there is a bank that needs to lend more than you need to borrow. It is like finding a pub that desperately needs you to run up a tab and never needs you to pay it back.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/bonner/bonner210.html
 
Gold?

Most developing nations don't have social welfare programs; in fact an individuals own family IS the social welfare program with little or no support from any level of their respective governments.

So, those people have to have cash on hand to deal with all sorts of things that pop up in their own lives, their children's lives, their parent's lives, their grandparent's lives; and they put their money in the local bank.

Not under the mattress.

Not in gold coins.

Not in gold jewelry.

In fact gold jewelry would defeat the purpose of many savers in such a situation. 1) the mark up on jewelry is even more than gold coins, so it is worth less on a weight basis 2) it is "used" more for fashion than as an investment vehicle ... when the family unit IS the social welfare agency, not much of their financial resources will go into fashion and style.

When the family unit -- however extended -- is the social welfare agency, one rolls the dice when buying equities since the value may fluctuate; it's too big a chance to take.

So that leaves them to put cash in the bank; and their respective Central banks are using their funds by investing in American debt.

Although our debt in heinous, it is true that there is a surplus of savings in the developing world. Same is true for the Japanese:surplus of savings accounts and amounts there too.

A big threat to our national debt and trade deficits would be if developing nations would use its people's savings to develop and maintain their own social welfare programs; thus its people wouldn't have to be so family reliant, and those families would have more "disposable" income to spend on themselves, i.e. less money in the bank if not more debt.

Hmmmmmmm, if that is true, we are certainly taking advantage of that situation. It would take decades for that to evolve ... and hopefully it would evolve peacefully.
 
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Markets: Economics




Bernanke Keeps Bets Hedged

For those hoping for a definitive word from the Federal Reserve on where interest rates will go next, Chairman Ben Bernanke didn't provide it on Monday.

But his speech may well have signaled that the Fed is more likely to continue to raise rates in the near future than lower them.

In a highly anticipated speech before the Economic Club of New York, Bernanke essentially said that in determining where interest rates would go from here, the Fed would need to take a wait-and-see policy -- taking into account as much data as possible. Rates could go higher or lower depending on the data and how policymakers interpret it, he said.

"The information is not always easy to extract and -- as in the current situation -- the bottom line for policy appears ambiguous," Bernanke said. "Given this reality, policymakers are well advised to follow two principles familiar to navigators throughout the ages: First, determine your position frequently. Second, use as many guides or landmarks as are available."

But Bernanke, who said he was speaking for himself and not for the Fed, seemed more inclined to continue monetary restraint. The focus of his speech was on how the Fed should respond to the recent inversion of the interest rate yield curve.

Typically, interest rates are higher on long-term bonds and loans than on short term ones. But in recent weeks, the effective rates on longer-term Treasury notes have fallen below those of short-term ones. In the past, such inversions have been associated with economic slowdowns and recessions.

But Bernanke said the evidence suggests that the inversion was the result not of the market expecting an economic slowdown, but of investors becoming increasingly confident in the long-term economic outlook and of certain special circumstances, such as the global glut of savings.

I would not interpret the currently very flat yield curve as indicating a significant economic slowdown to come," he said in the speech.

Assuming that longer-term rates are declining because investors are less worried about the long-term economic situation, "the effect is financially stimulative and argues for greater monetary policy restraint, all else being equal," he said.

Since June 2004, the Fed has raised its benchmark overnight target rate 3.5 percentage points to 4.5%. The rate hikes have come at 14 straight meetings of the Federal Open Market Committee. The FOMC will meet next week to consider whether to hike rates again and what its outlook will be for future rates.
 
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BEING STREET SMART
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Sy Harding


WHEN THE FED STOPS HIKING RATES! April 7, 2006.

Wall Street is assuring investors that once the Fed stops raising interest rates the stock market will finally rise smartly out of the narrow trading range that has prevailed since the rate hikes began in 2004. Meanwhile, the Fed has indicated it is watching economic numbers to determine when it may call a halt to the rate hikes.

No surprise then that investors eagerly await each new economic report, and analyze it to death in an effort to determine when the rate hikes will end. The problem is that economic reports are basically old news, revealing what home sales, inflation, the employment picture, and the like, were in January, February, or March, the latest data for some being as far back as the fourth quarter of last year.

Such reports may help determine whether the economy was still growing in January, February or March, whether inflation was rising or falling. But focusing too much on such lagging reports may also be why the Fed is usually behind the curve, continuing to raise rates for too long a time, often slowing the economy all the way into a recession.

Meanwhile, the stock market is a forward looking mechanism. It tops out when surrounding conditions are still looking great, declines well in advance of recessions, anticipates in advance when rising interest rates will put a crimp in consumer spending, when asset bubbles will burst, when stock valuations have become too high, when seasonality is becoming unfavorable.

It subsequently begins its next bull market while the economy is still in the doldrums, and the economic numbers are still looking dismal, as it looks ahead to improving conditions.

While investors focus on trying to determine when the Fed will stop raising interest rates, other factors which are probably more important to the direction of the stock market, like stock valuations, slowing corporate earnings, record consumer debt, the breaking of the real estate bubble, still rising interest rates and the like, are mostly being ignored.

Does history support the premise that the market will rise out of its flat trading range once the Fed stops raising interest rates?

History shows that the stock market does not like rising interest rates. Rising rates, which cut into corporate profits and consumer spending, have helped topple the market into some of its most severe declines, including the 2000-2002 bear market, the 1998 mini-bear, the 1990 bear market, the 1987 crash, the 1984 bear market - well, you get the idea.

History also shows that the market likes declining interest rates. But even then, an upside reversal does not always take place as soon as the Fed begins cutting rates. For instance, the Fed began cutting interest rates in January 2001 in an effort to prevent the then slowing economy from falling into recession. Not only did the stock market not respond to the upside, but the severe 2000-2002 bear market worsened, as the stock market correctly anticipated that the economy would continue to slow all the way into the 2001 recession. It was not until 21 months and eleven rate cuts later that the stock market finally bottomed, in October 2002, with the current bull market then getting underway.

So we know that rising rates are usually eventually negative for the market, while declining rates are eventually positive for the market, but that it sometimes takes quite awhile for those rate changes to have an effect.

However, the question right now is quite different. Will it be a positive for the market when the Fed merely stops raising rates?

Wall Street seems to be looking at when the Fed raised interest rates seven times in 1994 and 1995, and then stopped. The stock market almost immediately took off to the upside.

Yet in the Fed’s most recent rate-hiking cycle, its final hike took place on May 16, 2000. The Dow plunged more than 500 points over the next five days, and it was not until October, 2002, after eleven rate cuts, that the 2000-2002 bear market ended.

Also on the cautionary side, a recent study conducted by Ned Davis Research Inc., shows that since 1929, any time that the Fed had been raising interest rates and then stopped, the S&P 500 was lower six months later 71% of the time.

So, even if Wall Street or investors could determine ahead of time when the Fed will stop hiking rates, the information may be of no value. Much will depend on why the rate hikes end. If it’s because economic reports show the economy already slowed in previous months and the Fed may have gone too far with rate hikes, the stock market may have already looked ahead and anticipated a dire outcome.

A thought to ponder as the market approaches the end of its favorable seasonal period of October to May.



Sy Harding is president of Asset Management Research Corp., DeLand, FL, publisher of The Street Smart Report Online at www.streetsmartreport.com and author of 1999’s Riding The Bear – How To Prosper In the Coming Bear Market.
 
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So ------- bad can turn to worse and worse can turn to worst 71% of the time! Unless these economic geniuses can come up with a hell of a hat trick that's exactly the way I see it.
MY ANALYSIS :D
 
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