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Senate failed to invoke cloture. Government officially shuts down as of midnight.

President Trump declares he’s going to fire a LOT of federal employees.

From the article:

“Trump on Tuesday also promised to heighten the potential effects of a shutdown — in part to pressure Democrats — saying "we can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible."

He added later in the day "a lot of good can come down from shutdowns. We can get rid of a lot of things that we didn't want."”

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- (I think This is going to be a long, hard one, with much pain. There is never an upside to a shutdown, and this one is going to be worse than others.).
 
Dems have to fold, DJT wants a weaker government to assert more power. The longer the shutdown, the more power he gains.
 
Here is what the Dems say (AOC) -( and I don’t think they are going to fold. They have a point).

From AOC this morning (posted only to clarify the D position- since it’s being mischaracterized.)

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AOC: SHUTDOWN​

The U.S. government shut down at 12:01 AM.

This is not a fight over tax credits. This is a fight over your ability to go to a pharmacy and afford your insulin.

We’re not talking about just 15% or 20% increases in people’s premiums.

Healthcare companies are finalizing the premiums that everyday Americans are going to be paying. And we are talking about a doubling of monthly healthcare premiums not even including deductibles, in terms of what people are going to be paying next year, because of a trillion dollars in Medicaid cuts that were put together earlier this year.

I don’t know about anybody else, but I do not think this is just about a tax break or small tax extender. This is about fighting for community health centers, and ensuring that we have stability of the American healthcare system.

And when Republicans use a legislative mechanism to gut the American healthcare system, we have to use a legislative mechanism in order to restore it and fight for it.

In solidarity,

Alexandria
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Sorry, I don’t mean to post political stuff, I just am showing that this is not your typical shutdown, and could get very bad. That’s why I moved a total of now 3/4 of my holdings into G yesterday. I’m thinking this lasts a long time and hurts bad.
 
James48843 said:
Here is what the Dems say (AOC) -( and I don’t think they are going to fold. They have a point).

From AOC this morning (posted only to clarify the D position- since it’s being mischaracterized.)

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AOC: SHUTDOWN​

The U.S. government shut down at 12:01 AM.

This is not a fight over tax credits. This is a fight over your ability to go to a pharmacy and afford your insulin.

We’re not talking about just 15% or 20% increases in people’s premiums.

Healthcare companies are finalizing the premiums that everyday Americans are going to be paying. And we are talking about a doubling of monthly healthcare premiums not even including deductibles, in terms of what people are going to be paying next year, because of a trillion dollars in Medicaid cuts that were put together earlier this year.

I don’t know about anybody else, but I do not think this is just about a tax break or small tax extender. This is about fighting for community health centers, and ensuring that we have stability of the American healthcare system.

And when Republicans use a legislative mechanism to gut the American healthcare system, we have to use a legislative mechanism in order to restore it and fight for it.

In solidarity,

Alexandria
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Sorry, I don’t mean to post political stuff, I just am showing that this is not your typical shutdown, and could get very bad. That’s why I moved a total of now 3/4 of my holdings into G yesterday. I’m thinking this lasts a long time and hurts bad.
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:ROFLMAO:
 
Shutdown Update- good article over on Govexec.com tonight. Now the President is saying he gets to pick who will get back pay.

Trump says he can pick and choose which feds get back pay. Republicans in Congress mostly disagree​

Asked if furloughed workers will get retroactively paid, Trump say “it depends.”​

By ERIC KATZ, Govexec.com
OCTOBER 7, 2025 05:21 PM ET
President Trump on Tuesday suggested he would select some furloughed federal workers to receive back pay while denying it for others, despite a legal requirement that all employees sent home during the funding lapse be made whole for their time missed during a shutdown.

Trump’s comments followed the Office of Management and Budget stripping from its shutdown guidance that federal law requires agencies to provide back pay to furloughed workers, as Government Executive reported on Tuesday, and the White House subsequently drafting legal guidance arguing the statute does not, in fact, issue that mandate. Lawmakers of both parties on Tuesday pushed back on OMB’s view, suggesting all federal employees were guaranteed back pay when the government reopens.

"I would say it depends on who you're talking about,” Trump said when asked about back pay for furloughed workers. He added, “For the most part, we're going to take care of our people,” but said, “There are some people that really don't deserve to be taken care of." He then said the latter group would be taken care of "in a different way."
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More than 620,000 federal employees are already furloughed, and more are being furloughed this week.

More: https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefit...-republicans-congress-mostly-disagree/408668/
 
If you are marked 'Essential' you come in, work, and will get paid.
If you are marked 'Non-Essential', but are called back to work, you will get paid.
If you are marked 'Non-Essential' and are not called back to work, your pay status is up in the air.

Convention, precedent, and even good manners are not law. Regulation is not law - and, it can be changed quickly.
 
Here I sit in my OPS Center, base is kind of a slow but not COVID dead. Essential, NAF, Soldiers and Contractors working.
I called to follow-up on my retirement and got an answering machine. No one there to answer my call due to the shut-down. 🤣
 
WorkFE said:
Here I sit in my OPS Center, base is kind of a slow but not COVID dead. Essential, NAF, Soldiers and Contractors working.
I called to follow-up on my retirement and got an answering machine. No one there to answer my call due to the shut-down. 🤣
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Yeah, some agencies, departments, whatever are doing 'The Washington Monument' thang.

The Marine Corps is 'doing the dumb' - which is a different type of dumb than 'The Washington Monument' thang. They are furloughing almost everybody who is not at the tip of the spear. So, effectively zero support.

The normal Gubmint Dumb - as in, 'I refuse to make the hard decisions and manage my team in such a way as to still be effective' - is going to make life very hard.
 
Senate again rejects funding bills as government shutdown enters second week

Key Points

The Senate again did not pass a proposal to fund the government and end the shutdown.

The bill backed by Democrats failed in a 47-52 vote around 12:50 p.m. ET. Voting on Republicans’ version began shortly after.

The dueling stopgap measures had already failed to pass in five previous votes.

Democrats want any funding bill to include health-care protections, especially an extension of enhanced Obamacare subsidies that are set to expire at year’s end.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/08/government-shutdown-senate-vote.html
 
This whole tragic mess is actually a filibuster.

Too funny and too tragic. 60 aye votes are not required for a CR. The vote is being filibustered...
 
Boghie said:
This whole tragic mess is actually a filibuster.

Too funny and too tragic. 60 aye votes are not required for a CR. The vote is being filibustered...
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That’s correct, because this is the only vehicle that the Dems have to save the ACA subsidies before insurance prices double or more. The companies have to publish new prices before the end of November, so it’s now or never to save the ACA subsidies. That’s why Dems can’t vote for a “clean bill”, because the “Big Beautiful Bill” zeros out subsidies.

If the GOP wanted to, they could pass it with the nuclear option by changing the rules just like they did two weeks ago with Judge nominations. The GOP used the nuclear option then, they could do it again today. But if they were civil and smart, they’d sit down and actually negotiate. Dems want to negotiate, the GOP House leadership doesn’t want to.

So we will keep getting 52-47 votes till the vows come home . It won’t budge until GOP agrees to jegotiate..
 
The problem is that the increase in insurance will affect republicans as much as democrats.
 
You know there's more to it than that and disingenuous to suggest it's all about republicans wanting to take your healthcare away. Yes, the dems have more leverage with this budget bill and perhaps the reps won't come to the table on the ACA without it - we don't know for sure. But shall I post all the controversial pork the dems are trying to put in the budget that is keeping the reps from compromising? It's not just the ACA. Some here may be surprised to see what they're asking for.

I really didn't want to go there in the forum but it sounds like some of you either don't know, or just don't want to mention it.
 
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tsptalk said:
You know there's more to it than that and disingenuous to suggest it's all about republicans wanting to take your healthcare away. Yes, the dems have more leverage with this budget bill and perhaps the reps won't come to the table on the ACA without it - we don't know for sure. But shall I post all the controversial pork the dems are trying to put in the budget that is keeping the reps from compromising? It's not just the ACA. Some here may be surprised to see what they're asking for.

I really didn't want to go there in the forum but it sounds like some of you either don't know, or just don't want to mention it.
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PM the info to me.
 
Jackbnimble said:
So the way the Affordable Care Act (ACA) stays affordable is through very large government (taxpayer funded) subsidies? Seems like they named it wrong. How about (TTA) Taxpayers Take it in the ...
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Yes. Taxpayers pay subsidies because our United States society hasn’t figured out that universal health care like Medicare for all would end up costing HALF as much as what we spend today in the USA for substandard health care.

The USA now ranks either 48th or 51st world wide on longevity, depending on who compiled the records- and the fifty above us all have some form of universal heath care coverage, paid in some part by tax funds.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
 
The bottom line today is this.

Simply trying to pass something that’s been voted down 5 times over more than a week it stupid. Nothing is going to get done until both sides sit down and talk to teach other, and try and find a suitable compromise. Until they do- we’re all in trouble, the fed workforce can’t get laid, and every day with no deal makes things worse.
 
I'm having a difficult time deciding, what was my choice again?
  • Socialist Dems: I pay more than I take to fund low-income subsidies, and the for-profit corporations billing them.
  • Corporatist Repubs: I pay higher prices while monopoly corporations get tax cuts, fewer rules, and weaker protections for me.
 
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