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Anybody read about ticker symbol YYY. Goodbye mutual funds. Ironically BSC is the father of this type ETF.
 
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The other day 350 posted a warning regarding ultra pro-shares, as follows:

"Yes, that is a similar problem but it relates to regular ETFs. The potential problem with UBS, if they go under like BSC, is that we might not be able to settle our SDS in a timely fashion, or maybe not at all. I don't fully understand the situation, but from what I've read, UBS is the counter party to Ultra Proshares. If UBS blows up, there are huge unknowns. If an expert like KD says to get out of them, that is what I'm going to do."

350, have you heard anything else about this? Tia
 
Hey Show,

Off the subject. When I'm not here trying to figure out how to boost my retirement so I can retire earlier, I'm puttering in my garden or on my gardening website...living down here in Florida right off Tampa Bay I never get frost so I can grow veggies here year around. Point being that when I saw this post I thought of you....:)

Tom

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/flgard/msg0311512122415.html?13

Excellent! I lost one colony that I did not hold much hope for. Going to set a couple bait hives this weekend and then I have to get a colony out of a guys barn wall some time in the next two months.
 
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The other day 350 posted a warning regarding ultra pro-shares, as follows:

"Yes, that is a similar problem but it relates to regular ETFs. The potential problem with UBS, if they go under like BSC, is that we might not be able to settle our SDS in a timely fashion, or maybe not at all. I don't fully understand the situation, but from what I've read, UBS is the counter party to Ultra Proshares. If UBS blows up, there are huge unknowns. If an expert like KD says to get out of them, that is what I'm going to do."

350, have you heard anything else about this? Tia

I have done some looking but have not seen anything I am concerned with yet.
 
Easy come, easy go you bastard! You tanked the company with your bad investment vehicle that you created and you blame everyone else. You were the Captain of the ship Cayne and you sunk the company and its employees retirement funds. I think you should have got ZERO or at least give the proceeds to the folks that lost jobs or retirement.

AP
Bear Stearns' Cayne Sells Stake
Thursday March 27, 6:37 pm ET
By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer Bear Stearns Chairman Cayne Sells Stake for $61 Million Ahead of JPMorgan Deal

NEW YORK (AP) -- Bear Stearns Cos. Chairman James Cayne on Thursday dumped his entire stake in the embattled investment bank for $61 million as it appears closer to a takeover by JPMorgan Chase & Co. Cayne sold 5.66 million shares for exactly $10.84 a share on March 25, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. His stake was once valued at about $1 billion when the stock was trading at $171.50 per share.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080327/bear_stearns_cayne.html
 
I wonder how much buying the other crooks (Joe Lewis, et al) accumulated when BSC was trading at $2 a share? I mean, daily avg volume was up over 500% for the entire week. Somebody was loading up and made a quick 200-300% return in 7 days without the use of leverage.
 
I wonder how much buying the other crooks (Joe Lewis, et al) accumulated when BSC was trading at $2 a share? I mean, daily avg volume was up over 500% for the entire week. Somebody was loading up and made a quick 200-300% return in 7 days without the use of leverage.

Man, I wonder that same thing. This whole deal reeks of insider trading and corruption. A government sponsored/sanctioned take over of one company by another with no risk to the buyer. Why not just give BSC the $30B line of credit and not let JPM buy them on the cheap with no risk. BS! Who's next?

Now the offer gets upped 5 times the original offer blessed by the Fed and someone got paid BIG TIME on those freshly bought $2 shares. Not only that Cayne got out before the deal falls through and it is worth nothing like the two hedge funds that evaporated.
 
A lot of possibilities and I'm sure that when Congress gets back in session the cameras will be rolling. I watch some posturing on CSPAN last night by a Senator on the Finance Committee. Next week will be a trip.
 
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For my benefit. I still can't trade my ST account because the transfer process is not complete. But, I would like to gain some insight from your experience. Isn't it correct to assume that, when comparing the IFT activity with TSP.gov to the ability to buy and sell at Scottrade, we can protect our assets better, quicker, and be able to go into safe-mode (capital protection) with less risk?

What about the tempo or speed of the activity, even with the three day settlement rule requirement?

Even with the market risks and fluctuations, I have observed that when we consider doing an IFT with the TSP funds before COB, we are always trying to determine where to shift the funds to get the best gains. Many times we enter a stock fund like C, S, or I, at the 20 DMA or the 50 DMA, because we know that traders and buy programs at the big firms probably will buy at those cross-points; and when they do, the Big ships tend to lift or sink all smaller boats like ours.

Isn't it easier and safer to trade by waiting for a confirmation of the trend and then using the ultra (2x gain or loss) offered by the ultra proshare ETFs. We can get a better gain on the long side by waiting for the trend to be in place and then buy the long side the equivalent funds.

We can achieve better gains at less risk than other investors that risk the downside at inflection points such as a change of direction in the markets at the 20DMA, 50DMA, or other early signals of the market being overbought or oversold. In theory, by using the Ultra ETFs (with 2x gain/loss) we reduce the risk of loss by gaining a decent or equivalent profit after the trend is established. Right now, I would be brainstorming the idea whether (or not) to enter the S&P500 at this near 20DMA, but we don't know if the market will drop further. However, by using the 2x leverage offered by the ultra pro-shares, we can wait till the upside is established and still obtain a decent profit at a lesser risk. Am I right or not? Any and all opinions are welcome. I need to get a handle on this thing. This discussion also could help others. Thanks in advance. :)
 
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Isn't it correct to assume that, when comparing the IFT activity with TSP.gov to the ability to buy and sell at Scottrade, we can protect our assets better, quicker, and be able to go into safe-mode (capital protection) with less risk?

Absolutely, you can sell using a market order which is immediate or a limit order and pick your price.

What about the tempo or speed of the activity, even with the three day settlement rule requirement?

Market order fill immediately at the market price.

Isn't it easier and safer to trade by waiting for a confirmation of the trend and then using the ultra (2x gain or loss) offered by the ultra proshare ETFs. We can get a better gain on the long side by waiting for the trend to be in place and then buy the long side the equivalent funds.

Easier to one person may not be easier to another. I use this method and have done well.

However, by using the 2x leverage offered by the ultra pro-shares, we can wait till the upside is established and still obtain a decent profit at a lesser risk. Am I right or not?

I'm not sure you can call it less risk because you can lose at the 2 times also. What goes up, goes down.

To me the big advantage is to exit the market on my terms to protect my capital. No waiting until the close of business for TSP. Leveraged ETF's allow us to take advantage of the trends. We don't have to trade our ST accounts. We can buy and hold a group of investments and have total control of it.
 
PCE numbers are out. Personal Income much high than expected. This is good for labor but bad for the company. I smell a sell off.
 
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What did you think of Meridith Baxley (?) the analyst from oppenheimer who says more write downs coming and earnings lowered for financials starting next week? They say she has called the financials fall very accurately so far.
 
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