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Rokid,

So you know what I'm talking about when I slam yellow back Jimmy Carter even if you may not agree. You have certainly earned your right to state your opinions. At least you didn't go to Canada as a U.S. draftee - you have earned my admiration. Now if you would just switch political affiliations all would be right with the world. I'm just kidding.
 
No, just a Vietnam vet. I got drafted in 1969, did my two years, and earned the right to express my opinion. If you don't like it, too f**king bad.

Frankly, I thought we were having a civil and interesting discussion. However, I'm not interested in exchanging ad hominem attacks. As far as I'm concerned, the discussion has ended.----Jim

There is no attack, ad hominem or otherwise.

n ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

The subject of the discussion is clear, and your character is not an issue, unless you choose to make it so.

And, the conversation is civil. I support your right to express opinion. However, as you are free to express your opinion, certainly you should support any one who would challenge your assertions. And though you have served, your right to express an opinion is not earned, but comes with citizenship. I applaud your service, but it does not give you a superior right to express an opinion. However, your opinion will be informed by your life experience and for that you have my respect.

Ultimately, your retreat to the use of explicatives does not buttres your position and adds nothing to the discussion. If you choose to participate, you must accept that people will disagree with you. If you posit a particular notion, there is every likliehood that you may be expected to defend it. That's why it is called a forum. An exchange of ideas. When you feel that you need to post entries as you have, do not be suprised when you are taken to task.

And, as you will note if you care to search the archives, I will maintain composure and diginity and will continue in a relentless fashion as long as you continue to post inflammatory material.

However, as you say, you have ended discussion in this regard. I suspect that you will continue to post in the fashion that you have. As long as you do, please do not labor under the false assumption that other participants will let it stand without challenge. Other voices will not be silenced by your anger.

This forum is just that, a forum. It is not a blog. And to that end, I will write to preserve the essence of what we do here.
 
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Hey, no problem. I graduated from a Jesuit university. However, I no longer believe in Catholic dogma and theology. No tension at all.:laugh:

However, as a result of your response, I did some Googling. Apparently, the Catholic Church is not of one opinion on abortion. I found a rather lively debate.

'Donceel notes that Thomas Aquinas "spoke of six weeks for the male embryo and three months for the female embryo." In Aquinas’s hylomorphic theory, the matter had to be ready to receive the appropriate form. According to such principles, as Rosemary Ruether points out, "Thomas Aquinas might well have had to place the point of human ensoulment in the last trimester if he had been acquainted with modern embryology."' I also found arguments on the opposite side.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1677

I'm glad to see the Church is still struggling with the issue. The Church's intellectual tradition, particularly among the Jesuits, "the soldiers of Christ",has always been a strong point.

Actually, the Church is not struggling with this position which is clear, that life begins as conception. Ruether's supposition that Aquinas would have placed ensoulment in the third trimester is in conflict with all else that he (Aquinas) has said on the subject. Modern embryology would most likely have moved his view of ensoulment to the point of conception, or rather "potential" conception as opposed to the 40 days post conception but prior to "quickening" Maybe you should Google a bit more, as Ruether is hardly considered in step with traditional church dogma. Your credentials as having graduated from a Jesuit institution does not validate your theological insight, unless you earned an M. Div. But if that was the case, you would not have needed to have a reference provided for you as you would be intimately familiar with the works cited.

http://www.ewtn.com/vote/Catholic_Politicians/index.asp
 
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Rokid,

So you know what I'm talking about when I slam yellow back Jimmy Carter even if you may not agree. You have certainly earned your right to state your opinions. At least you didn't go to Canada as a U.S. draftee - you have earned my admiration. Now if you would just switch political affiliations all would be right with the world. I'm just kidding.

Birch,

Just keep expressing yourself. It's your right. As far as my switching political affiliations, you're just SOL.:laugh:

I hope your daughter is doing well.----Jim
 
Second request for the same reason: SEX. Will a mod PLEASE lock this thread out of courtesy and respect for Ms. Palin and the women voters on this MB? We are really sick of the sexist tripe and drooling over photoshopped fake photos. If you guys want to exchange this kind of stuff, please do it in PM's....an effort was made to get back to ISSUES on this thread but obviously some of you are too immature to understand that SEX is NOT an issue in this campaign. Really ironic considering the GOP brags about "family values." I'm not seeing anything except raging hormones overriding everything else.
 
Your imagination is very active today. The photos may be provocative but certainly not sexual in nature. Would you prefer Joe Biden in his speedo?
 
ALL of the WOMEN who come here to read about TSP and ISSUES would prefer NONE of this tripe. Take it to PM or to the lounge - which was set up for this kind of thing. Your comment is offensive and ridiculous - the photos are sexist, exploitative, offensive and designed solely to titillate the male senses. I'm sure there are women who might find Obama attractive and there are a number of bare-chested pics of him circulating on the web...I don't see any being posted HERE by any women on the MB. Get your hormones under control. If you don't think this is about SEX...read Buster's comment posted below the picture. Exactly what DOES "I'd hit it" mean?

And don't waste your time coming back at me with any anti-Obama, Carter, or "donkey" remarks, I won't play that game.
 
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ALL of the WOMEN who come here to read about TSP and ISSUES would prefer NONE of this tripe. Take it to PM or to the lounge - which was set up for this kind of thing. Your comment is offensive and ridiculous - the photos are sexist, exploitative, offensive and designed solely to titllate the male senses. I'm sure there are women who might find Obama attractive and there are a number of bare-chested pics of him circulating on the web...I don't see any being posted HERE by any women on the MB. Get your hormones under control. If you don't think this is about SEX...read Buster's comment posted below the picture. Exactly what DOES "I'd hit it mean?"

And don't waste your time coming back at me with any anti-Obama, Carter, or "donkey" remarks, I won't play that game.

I am having a hard time with this as well. Regardless of the fact that anyone with photoshop can create these types of images, I'm really more interested in the facts about her stance on the issues. Please, let's not degrade the individual trying to be part of our great American process. I, as well as many of us here, have spent lifetimes defending this wonderful country to give people the chance to make this a better country. Let's not lose sight of what this women can bring to the table of the party she represents. She is a daughter, mother and should recieve the same respect as you would give your own.

Peace:cool:
 
Temporarily closed for maintenance. We'll be back soon. ;)

You can give negative points? How? :confused:
Because of a couple negative reputation wars between members a while back, we had to go to a system where only moderators can give out negative reps. I think it has worked much better.
 
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