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Braveheart
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Obama torn apart yup the Dems just found out they can have all the Media bias to promote their unqualified candidate and forgot that the media don't vote and while they are trying to sell this man of "HOPE" it is more like "HYPE".
Sarah Palin just kicked the shi* out of Obama and the media in 30 minutes. She was calm and had a smile on her face while doing it. I wonder is Michelle Obama happy now that her husband can write his 3rd book about how he lost an election because his wife didn't want Hillary Clinton as VP and the DNC with Obama were exposed as frauds.
I think Chris Matthews was crying !!! LMAO
Wow Down Goes Obama .....Down goes Obama - McCain/Palin lead in the new polls and one poll has McCain 54% - Obama 44%.
Side note - MSNBC removed Matthews & Olberman today from any Election Coverage LMAO....The must be in tears !!!
Palin showed them all she is tough and can not be broken.
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Wow Down Goes Obama .....Down goes Obama - McCain/Palin lead in the new polls and one poll has McCain 54% - Obama 44%.
Side note - MSNBC removed Matthews & Olberman today from any Election Coverage LMAO....The must be in tears !!!
Palin showed them all she is tough and can not be broken.
SkyPilot
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Biden, unlike John Kerry, effectively articulated the position that a person could believe that, as a matter of faith, abortion is wrong and still think banning it is bad public policy. :nuts:
Or, is it the utimate expression of double speak? Catholic theology holds that abortion is murder. If Joe Biden holds the Catholic position as a matter of faith, then his personal contention that it is good public policy to allow murder in a contradiction is somewhat disingenuous.
I don't think he will find any Aquinian theologians that will support this logic.
Biden's position is my personal position. Abortion has been prohibited in the past as public policy and the prohibition didn't work. Women still got abortions. However, many died in the act.
There is not a national consensus on when life begins. Therefore, there is not a consensus that abortion is murder.
To impose the religious beliefs of a minority of citizens on the majority is bad public policy. How would it be enforced? Women could leave the country to get abortions. Would they be prevented from returning?
Although I believe abortion is wrong, I don't want the government involved if I change my mind.
Finally, the Republicans have historically talked a good show on abortion to keep Pro-lifers in their camp. However, what did they accomplish when they had control of the Presidency, Congress, and the Supreme Court? Nothing.
Speaking of double-speak, explain to me why so many Pro-lifers hold that it's OK to abort a baby in the case of rape or incest? Isn't that still murder?---Jim
SkyPilot
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I will be happy to respond further, but we have gone into another discussion and I will accomodate you off line by PM. This is likely to become very contentious, and this forum is probably not the place to take this discussion any further.
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SkyPilot
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So, you equate the treatment our POWs received at the Hanoi Hilton with the incarceration of terrorists at Guantanamo?
Buster
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Disingenuous is a good word...Goes to the stand we see a lot ..The Dems (Liberals) believe in the Roe V Wade ..Okay fine, but don't believe in the death penalty..WTF?
Can you say Hypocrite?
James48843
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Umm.. Buster-
Have you never seen this?
http://www.democratsforlife.org/
You can't paint all dems with a broad brush. In fact, the party platform struggles each year with the moral issue. And, one year at a time, dems are moving away from abortion towards life.
You'll see.
SkyPilot
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Good point and thanks for the link! Also google Log Cabin Republicans!
That is why it is so hard to categorize, as the party machines would like to get everyone solidified so they could know what they can count on. We are easily manipulated by stereotypes.
Nuke the Green Whales for Jesus!
Amen! Once we clear the conventions don't get in the way of any candidate charging for the middle! That's where the great majority of us voters are! In a week you won't be able to tell the sheep from the goats!
Birchtree
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Race and propaganda are more likely to determine the outcome of the November election than any awareness or consideration of real issues by voters. I'm actually wondering who the cream puff was that gave me negative reputation points because of my comment regarding what the DNC stood for - obviously this person did not watch the Donkey convention. So slap me again because here goes: Democratic Negro Caucus.
SkyPilot
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They make the assumption that you are not Black. That in itself is a racist assumption, because if you are you may say it without retribution, i.e. United Negro College Fund. According to geneticist, we all share this ancestry.
In fact, you may say much worse, but your will be insulated because of your melanin quotient. Whoopie uses this other term on The View quite often.
The term Negro, which is also the new (was old) elite term for certain groups to refer to their continental origin. It seems that the someone who gave you negative reputation points may be ignorant regarding the new cultural competency.Last edited:
Birch, well said! And, it's too bad. We've got a lot of problems that need fixing and a lot of challenges to face.----JimI will be happy to respond further, but we have gone into another discussion and I will accomodate you off line by PM.
Don't bother. I don't think either of us are going to change the other's mind.
However, if I discover St. Thomas Aquinas' position on abortion, I'll let you know.---Jim
SkyPilot
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Don't bother. I don't think either of us are going to change the other's mind.
However, if I discover St. Thomas Aquinas' position on abortion, I'll let you know.---Jim
I didn't think so...
Here, references are easy to find.
http://www2.franciscan.edu/plee/aquinas_on_human_ensoulment.htm
It is not my mind that you are in contention with, it is with the doctrine and dogma of Catholic theology that you are in tension.Last edited:
Actually, I thought Steward's joke was funny. In addition, as Tom pointed out, it's probably true.
However, since you asked:
We're using "Hanoi Hilton" techniques on the people we're holding at Guantanamo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, etc. Of course, we call them "enhanced interrogation". And, it's OK, because they're terrorists.
How do you know the Guantanamo prisoners are terrorists? Because, the Bush Administration says they are, right?
I admired John McCain because he opposed our use of torture. However, where does he stand now on the issue? It was clear from Sarah Palin speech that she's not an advocate of constitutional due process. Read'um their rights? Not Sarah Barrcudda. Just label them terrorists and throw away the key.
The North Vietnamese claimed our pilots were terrorists because they dropped bombs on Hanoi and hit civilian targets. And, since they were terrorists, according to our own logic, they could be tortured.----Jim
Hey, no problem. I graduated from a Jesuit university. However, I no longer believe in Catholic dogma and theology. No tension at all.:laugh:
However, as a result of your response, I did some Googling. Apparently, the Catholic Church is not of one opinion on abortion. I found a rather lively debate.
'Donceel notes that Thomas Aquinas "spoke of six weeks for the male embryo and three months for the female embryo." In Aquinas’s hylomorphic theory, the matter had to be ready to receive the appropriate form. According to such principles, as Rosemary Ruether points out, "Thomas Aquinas might well have had to place the point of human ensoulment in the last trimester if he had been acquainted with modern embryology."' I also found arguments on the opposite side.
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1677
I'm glad to see the Church is still struggling with the issue. The Church's intellectual tradition, particularly among the Jesuits, "the soldiers of Christ",has always been a strong point.
SkyPilot
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Actually, I thought Steward's joke was funny. In addition, as Tom pointed out, it's probably true.
Tom was being facetious, at least I hope. And yes, you and I disagree regarding the humor in such a comparison. I don't feel that torture is a subject fit for amusement.
Bet then, you would say that John McCain is a terrorist and deserved his confinement as a POW?
Would you also say that our men and women in uniform are terrorists and deserve to serve in a confinement camp?
If not, how would you draw a distinction of military action?
I notice you are also opposed to actions of law enforcement as you have noted here.
I am beginning to wonder how it is can work for such a corrupt government and take a salary. Doesn't this pose for you an ethical dilema?
As far as Palin's comments, this is not a new or resolved issue. Fair to say that she expresses some of the frustration many feel when we have Bin Laden in our sights and have to get legal approval to prosecute an attack, which allowes him to go free.
Maybe you are a pacifist, which is noble and honorable. Except that pacifist only can exist if someone else will fight to defend them against aggression.Last edited:
No, just a Vietnam vet. I got drafted in 1969, did my two years, and earned the right to express my opinion. If you don't like it, too f**king bad.
Frankly, I thought we were having a civil and interesting discussion. However, I'm not interested in exchanging ad hominem attacks. As far as I'm concerned, the discussion has ended.----Jim- Status
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