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tsptalk said:
I agree it is kind of a futile discussion at this point. I think most of us have already formed our opinions and won't be changing anyone's minds.
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True, True. I'm standing down. Good luck to McCain and Obama.:)---Jim

P.S. The Hatch Act doesn't apply.
 
nnuut said:
DEPENDS WHAT YOU PROMOTE!! Opinions are OK, but don't exceed that by promoting any candidate.:cool:
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The Hatch Act IS applicable in cyberspace.

But the Hatch Act does NOT prohibit most federal employees from expressing support or opposition to one or another candidate. The Democrat Reforms of the Hatch Act in the 1990's changed the rules, and now, for MOST employees, it is perfectly acceptable to express an opinion on the candidates-

Just don't post an invitation asking people for money for one or the other, and you should be fine.

SOME agencies are covered with a prevention on partisan activity, but the VAST majority are not. For the vast majority, you are free to post all you want (From home) for or against any candidate:

http://osc.gov/ha_fed.htm

Here is what the Hatch Act allows people who are federal employees do:
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Permitted/Prohibited Activities for Employees Who May Participate in Partisan Political Activity

These federal and D.C. employees may-
  • be candidates for public office in nonpartisan elections
  • register and vote as they choose
  • assist in voter registration drives
  • express opinions about candidates and issues
  • contribute money to political organizations
  • attend political fundraising functions
  • attend and be active at political rallies and meetings
  • join and be an active member of a political party or club
  • sign nominating petitions
  • campaign for or against referendum questions, constitutional amendments, municipal ordinances
  • campaign for or against candidates in partisan elections
  • make campaign speeches for candidates in partisan elections
  • distribute campaign literature in partisan elections
  • hold office in political clubs or parties
These federal and D.C. employees may not-
  • use official authority or influence to interfere with an election
  • solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency
  • solicit or receive political contributions (may be done in certain limited situations by federal labor or other employee organizations)
  • be candidates for public office in partisan elections
  • engage in political activity while:
    • on duty
    • in a government office
    • wearing an official uniform
    • using a government vehicle
  • wear partisan political buttons on duty
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Bottom line for most of us:
1, Don't engage while on duty.
2. Don't use a overnment vehilce to do it.
3. Don't ask anyone for money or collect money to do it.

Follow the above rules, and you are fine.
 
Basically, don't use your federal position or federal resources to support a candidate. Don't lean on your employees. However, you can have, and express, political opinions outside of work.----Jim
 
Roger that.


Hey- did you see Governor Romney's attack on federal employees last night?

Here is my response.....

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President of United Steel Workers responds to Palin's trotting out her steelworker husband-

Sarah Palin, explain yourself, or stop using the USW as a prop

Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:02 pm, in From the President


By Leo W. Gerard
International President

When presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain introduced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his intended vice presidential running mate, those of us in the lower 48 learned that her husband, Todd Palin, not only was a champion snowmobiler and commercial fisherman but also a steelworker.

At the press conference, Palin trotted him out, stressing his steelworker credentials. Here’s a good union man, she emphasized.

But his United Steelworker card doesn’t include an automatic auxiliary membership for her. Or her running mate at the top of the Republican ticket, McCain, whose record on labor issues would require some serious penance before he could ever earn a union card.

John McCain opposes the Employee Free Choice Act, which would enable workers to collectively bargain and secure contracts with corporations more easily, like the employment contracts CEOs demand to have with corporations. McCain has jeopardized retirement by championing Bush’s privatization scheme for social security. McCain has voted for every American-job-killing free trade deal, without regard to human rights or environmental standards. And he has proposed, instead of providing health insurance for all Americans, a plan to tax the insurance of those lucky enough to still have employer-provided coverage.

Ms. Palin needs to stop trotting out her husband as an exhibit until she explains her positions on workers’ issues. Just exactly where does she stand on the Employee Free Choice Act?

Her family has benefitted from her husband’s ability to be part of a labor union. Workers in labor organizations earn higher wages and are more likely to have pensions and health insurance. Because he works for BP and is a member of the USW, which collectively bargained a good contract for workers at BP, Todd Palin earns a good wage and has good health insurance. The Employee Free Choice Act would make it easier for other Americans to join unions and earn better money and obtain health insurance. Polling shows that 70 percent of Americans support for the Employee Free Choice Act.

Inquiring minds want to know, Ms. Palin. Where do you stand on Employee Free Choice? Where do you stand on privatization of social security? Where do you stand on job-killing free trade?

Are you with McCain – and against workers – on these issues? If so, you need to stop using your husband’s membership in the USW as a prop, because then his union card cannot possibly cover up your or John McCain’s worker-savaging positions.

More: http://blog.usw.org/2008/09/03/sarah-palin-explain-yourself-or-stop-using-the-usw-as-a-prop/
 
Now that's just stupid..She gave them kudos and they are whining about it?:confused::mad:

Just goes to show you, you can't never win with these idiots..way to bite the tit that will feed you Gerard:suspicious:
 
James48843 said:
Roger that.


Hey- did you see Governor Romney's attack on federal employees last night?

Here is my response.....

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The Government Unions did nothing to help us prevent the IFT limits. The union heads just care of themselves and forget about the workers. We (the workers) are on their own even if they pay dues.
 
Unions sure have done wonders for the Auto and Airline industry. Union leaders are out to just line their own pockets. Yeah our Fed Employee Union really took a stand for us.

CB
 
Well since we're still discussing this, I searched Snopes.com for Sarah Palin information. Apparently, this letter, written by Anne Kilkenny, has been making the rounds on the Internet. Snopes.com checked it out and Anne Kilkenny does exist, does live in Wasilla, and confirms that she wrote the letter.

One of the most interesting (scary) items for me was the claim that the Wasilla city fathers made Ms. Palin hire a town administrator because she was in danger of being recalled for her firings of town employees. If she can't run a city of 5,000...She also took over a town with zero debt and managed to run up a $22M deficit.

Overall Ms. Kilkenny does not paint a very pretty picture of the potential Vice President.---Jim

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp
 
rokid said:
Well since we're still discussing this, I searched Snopes.com for Sarah Palin information. Apparently, this letter, written by Anne Kilkenny, has been making the rounds on the Internet. Snopes.com checked it out and Anne Kilkenny does exist, does live in Wasilla, and confirms that she wrote the letter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp
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Anybody can say anything about anybody in a letter. That does not mean it any of it is true.
 
Good research Rokid. Ms. Kilkenny is a brave woman to talk about Palin.

For example its easy to be on the right side of bravery in America by immediately claiming support for our troops and rightfully so. Yet, how many Americans were willing to risk the consequences of using their freedom of thought and speech to challenge the overwhelming majority conventional "group think" that lead to not only thousands of deaths of our troops in Iraq, but hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?

When Bush and Cheney were using retoric to claim evidence of WMD, it seemed clear to me that anyone should have known that B&C had no evidence, unless they were hiding it to protect national security...
But how could presenting evidence of WMD damage national security?

Well as a DoD employee then, I didn't speak out publicly for fear of damaging my financial security and what difference would my opinion have made anyway without any evidence? Many know that the public reputations of whistle blowers in America tend to be just above dirt, yet they are often our first, first line defenders of freedom and truth.

So what does this have to do with Palin and Kilkerry? Kilkerry seems like a tough and brave American to not only say some good things, but some scary things about Palin. If what Kilkerry says is true, about Palin's treachery and requiring (in my opinion) Communist like allegiance from acquaintances and employees, then we must remember our troops are now fighting many Warriors of God.
 
Greg said:
Anybody can say anything about anybody in a letter. That does not mean it any of it is true.
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Possibly, however, Ms. Kilkenny's letter was published in The Nation and referenced in a N.Y. Times article.

If it's not true, then Ms. Palin should address the allegations quickly and directly. I wouldn't want her to get "Swift Boated" like John Kerry did in 2004.:rolleyes:
 
James48843 said:
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Greg:

What if all of it was true?

Would it make a difference to you at all?

Just curious.
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Jimbo,

Does what his preacher of 20 years/mentor says make a difference to you at all?

How about his wife saying that she had never been proud of her country and that is a down-right mean country?

Just curious.
 
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