Sarah Palin?

[luv2read]

you want change, well here it is. You want to beat her up because of her experience level, then all you are doing is making a great argument for electing mccain instead of obama.

Imo, she is what this country needs. Some one fresh, smart, family orientated, not afraid to cut the budget, and not connected to chicago politics.

and a woman.

 

[Show-me]

She's a woman? That's not a qualifier. lol It is a good strategy. I will say that anyone that can have 5 kids and still look that fresh. Damn, what a woman!

 

[Steadygain]

James48843,
You would have to know the immense respect I have for you (at least I hope you do). But you are sounding just like Birch, and it's not reflecting well on you. Now of course Birch is someone I honestly love and admire in many ways; in the most central way of money management he has my highest respect and admiration.

But when any of us become so convinced that a Dem, a Black, a Woman, someone too willing to associate with McCain or a Minister...or whatever has "Closed our minds - and forced us into a rigid belief that prevents us from seeing the real possibilities" then our message will always be based on deeply grounded prejudism and resentment.

Despite the whole picture which I admire and respect - and I honestly would never try to change him, because I like the way he is. But to those who truly believe, "I am a born again Repubician..." I would not let up on them - not because I want to antagonize them or create deeper tensions - but because they would be a 1,000 times better off with a more open view and accepting others as they are and having a willingness to see the positive traits - regardless.

Sarah's comments from my perspective reflect a genuinely authentic heart and life - a real person with a Mother's Heart and very much reflecting a woman; so amazingly what you see as "bad" I see as beautiful. She does not sound at all like your typical politician - but she sounds genuine - and that's what I crave for.

Obama has largely stollen my heart for the very same reason. He is the first person ever that I can think of that openly declares "Washington and Politics" are totally screwed up. He is the only one that honestly seems prepared to make a difference and goes on with the convictions that he will do his best to change the garbage and make Washington and Politics something worthwhile. He's not afraid to highlight the huge and real problems.

So if I vote for Obama it is not because he's black or a Dem. If McCain wins I can only hope that Sarah will have a chance to have an influence on him and the decisions he makes. I see her in a similar light as Obama - someone fresh and new who lives from the heart.

At this point all of us need to accept Sarah for who she is and if it comes to pass that she is the first "Woman Vice President" then that's something everyone of us should be willing to embrace.

 

[James48843]

Steady- never fear. I enjoy debate.


I for one don't want another politician who uses the power of their office to illegal take personnel actions against people. "The vice-president's office is on the phone" is more than just a campaign slogan to me. I have seen the wrath of political influence adversely affecting otherwise honorable government service to the people of the United States first-hard. Personal use of official position for the purpose of vengeance is illegal in the federal service for a reason. We got away from that-- the political spoils system- in the 1800's for a reason. I don't know if personal use of official position for the purpose of personal vengeance is illegal under Alaska state law. It ought to be.

Did Sarah do that? I don't know.

But I certainly think it is fair game to place the information of Palin's story out there, so that people can be aware of it. Voters deserve to know the whole story. If a civil servant in Alaska was fired, because he refused to fire an Alaskan state trooper that was previously married to the governors sister- well, let's just say the public deserves to know the real story. Truth will set you free.

And on the subject of Iraq, perhaps the single most important topic of this election by a great number of voters- (not all , but certainly a great number), this candidate, whom one would expect- especially since she is the mother of a person service, admits "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

She hasn't focused on it? And she wants to be the person who sits one 73-year old heartbeat away from the red button which could end mankind as we know it?

Sorry, I don't see her as a particularly well qualified candidate for the job.


If the main republican qualification is knowing how to use official power to destroy otherwise good people, then I guess she might fit the bill. They seem to do that a lot.

I was always raised that we try and help one another, not destroy one another.

 

[XL-entLady]

....she wants to be the person who sits one 73-year old heartbeat away from the red button which could end mankind as we know it? Sorry, I don't see her as a particularly well qualified candidate for the job.

I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.

The majority of comments I hear people making are referring to her looks rather than her capabilities. At some point people are going to start thinking about what she might do in the Oval Office rather than what she might be like in the Lincoln Bedroom. And when that time comes, they may start to ask, "Is Palin really the most qualified Republican that McCain could have picked to be his running mate???" Hmm-m-m-m ... maybe not .... :blink:

Lady

 

[XL-entLady]

You want change, well here it is. You want to beat her up because of her experience level, then all you are doing is making a great argument for electing McCain instead of Obama.

IMO, she is what this Country needs. Some one fresh, smart, family orientated, not afraid to cut the budget, and not connected to Chicago politics.

I hope you are right, Show-me, because right now it appears 50-50 and pick'em that we might find out!

I would like to gently suggest, however, that I've been able to study Obama's positions on the issues and I think he has proven himself over a very long primary vetting period. Palin was apparently picked after one 20-minute vetting period with McCain. I pray he was looking at her stance on the issues rather than gazing at her other attributes! :worried:

Lady

 

[Show-me]

Is it really about the person that holds the job or is it about the people that you surround yourself with.

 

[XL-entLady]

Is it really about the person that holds the job or is it about the people that you surround yourself with.

Great point! I found to my sorrow that I was not impressed with the people who surrounded Bush. If Palin has the good sense to surround herself with great people then she'll probably do an excellent job.

Didn't mean to sound so grumpy earlier. :embarrest: As is probably evident by now, the meds aren't quite holding their own with the pain level today ....

Lady

 

[JTH]

I enjoy debate.

I must admit I'm a bit perplexed by what seems to be your obvious bias against Palin?

I haven't noticed you slamming Biden, but perhaps I missed it some time ago. I'd bet you could find more dirt on him then you could on her. The press almost completely ignored his somewhat racist comments on Indians and Blacks. And let us not forget his first run for the presidency where he was busted for his plagiarizing (thats steeling) of others words during his speeches.

And yes, many people will say she's just a pretty face. Whoopee whoopee doo... My bias for her is based on her Alaskan spirit. I'm from Alaska too, and I can tell you we are an independent minded state full of tough people who know how to get things done without help from the lower 48 states.

Palin has many of the qualities that the old McCain used to have. I miss the old McCain. I was much more impressed with McCain the first time he ran against Bush. This latest version seems somewhat neutered. :suspicious:

 

[luv2read]

I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.

The majority of comments I hear people making are referring to her looks rather than her capabilities. At some point people are going to start thinking about what she might do in the Oval Office rather than what she might be like in the Lincoln Bedroom. And when that time comes, they may start to ask, "Is Palin really the most qualified Republican that McCain could have picked to be his running mate???" Hmm-m-m-m ... maybe not .... :blink:

Lady

She's a woman? That's not a qualifier. lol It is a good strategy. I will say that anyone that can have 5 kids and still look that fresh. Damn, what a woman!

It seems to be the ONLY qualification the testosterone-laden segment of the GOP is interested in...and they are willing to vote for her "attributes."

 

[JTH]

It seems to be the ONLY qualification the testosterone-laden segment of the GOP is interested in...and they are willing to vote for her "attributes."

And how many women have we seen gush over Obama? He even has his own music videos. :suspicious:

How many times did the press show him with his shirt off?

It's a two-way street :toung:

 

[luv2read]

And how many women have we seen gush over Obama? He even has his own music videos. :suspicious:

How many times did the press show him with his shirt off?

It's a two-way street :toung:

I haven't heard a single comment on this MB (or anywhere else for that matter) from a woman saying she was voting for him because of his looks. Because of his race, yes, but not because of his looks.

JTH...I was actually trying to drum home the fact there's more to her than a pretty face, etc....:blink:

 

[JTH]

JTH...I was actually trying to drum home the fact there's more to her than a pretty face, etc....:blink:

Well I certianly agree with you on that point. But hey we know many message boards are dominated by men, and our brains are wired differently then women.

I personally think Palin has much to offer to both men and women. A stong, smart intelligent pro-life women whose managed to balance work with 5 children. Shes pro 2nd Ammendant, hunts, and can more then manage her own with the men. This is really going to fire up the conservative base.

But for the moment, I'm happy we have an election worth watching. I'm hoping Palin will put back some maverick spunk into McCain and remind him who he was 10 years ago.

But none of this really matters to me anyways. I'm a resident of Texas, McCain will win this state regardless of my vote. Maybe one day I'll live in a swing state where I could make a difference.

 

[Steadygain]

I've been doing more thinking about Palin's nomination myself, and heavily weighing the fact that, if elected, she would be one person away from the most powerful and complex job on the planet. And then McCain's age becomes a serious factor.

That's what everything should boil down to - to everyone voting.

I don't know anything about Sarah - other than the extremely brief recent clips on TV. And probably the most striking event was seeing her picture on this thread and how much I saw the resemblence between her and my own daughter Sarah.

Sorry James - I thought you were doing a "Birchtree act" but now I see what you're really doing: Challenging us to determine if she is really qualified to be the "Commander in Chief" in a giant Political, Beurocartic, and Federal System that will likely rip her to shreds and leave her bewiltered with the reality of how things truely operate.

I would not want her to be forced into that position, and I hope that never happens. She was not picked because of having a strong political background and because McCain remotely thought "In the event of my death, she'd be the perfect replacement". She was picked because she's 'A WOMAN, YOUNG, PRETTY, - representing something fresh and new'.

It's plain and simple McCain and the real power and players behind him have made their decision. They want votes - they know the key is offering a similar "projection of Obama" - young, cleaver, new and promising. They also know a lot of women will flood to the booths to make it happen.

Friends - many will vote for one or the other mainly because they would never vote for the other party - to me that is stupid and based on ignorance; If anyone votes for McCain simply because a fresh young woman is the VP - that is equally stupid.

But my views are probably equally stupid to many of you.

Ladies of the MB - relax - we may be "men" but give us a break; as men we're simply pointing out she is beautiful - as least the picture on this thread is. But when it comes to being in charge of the United States of America and all the responsibilities that go with it "THE PICTURE" counts against her.

If McCain does win; I would bet she fades in the background. She is mainly a means to get him elected and nothing more.

 

[James48843]

She was not picked because of having a strong political background and because McCain remotely thought "In the event of my death, she'd be the perfect replacement".

That- in and of itself, should be, in my humble opinion, THE only criteria on which to select the Vice-Presidential candidate in any election, by any party.

In the event of a President's death, or other inability to conduct office, the Vice President MUST be ready to step in and take over. The Constitution provides only only two duties for the Vice President- to preside over the Senate and break tie votes, and...be prepared to step in to the shoes of the President, should the President not be able to perform their duties.

In any other election, that in and of itself should be sufficient to garner close examination of who the VP pick is.

In this election, you have a Nominee who will be 73 years old upon taking office, and who is a two-time cancer survivor already. In circumstances like that- you HAVE to seriously consider the odds of the 73 year old guy making it 4 more years in good health, or, as an alternative, who has he chosen to take over in the event he can't do the job.


Period.

All other considerations- (sex, part of the country, which part of his party will they play to, etc) are ALL secondary considerations to the primary consideration.

At least one would think that they should be.

Who does McCain think is THE most qualified person in the entire nation to carry out the duties of the office of the President, in the event he can't serve? (Which, in this case, is higher likelihood (based on age and past medical problems) of a higher risk that any previous candidate from any party)

Well, now we know.

Yes, it's going to be an interesting election.

 

[James48843]

It's plain and simple McCain and the real power and players behind him have made their decision. They want votes

And that's the problem.

Is it a case of putting party and maintaining power ahead of what's good the nation? The voters will have to decide that.

It has been said that Power corrupts, and
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I believe that this pick shows that to those in power, maintaining that power is more important than what is good for the country.

Given the choice of maintaining power, or helping for the good of others- my choice is clear.

Register.

Vote.

Be a citizen.

Period.

It's our democracy that is at stake.

 

[Braveheart]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

 

[CountryBoy]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

Not to mention his frienship with the unrepentant terrorists from the Weatherman Underground , co-dounder William Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn. You are would your friends are and if you plead ignorance of there terroist actions, then you sure as heck shoudln't be our Prez, if you can have the wool pulled over your eyes so easy. Just look who he is sourrounding himself with and actions, all angry bitter people who hate or are ashamed of America or at the very least who want change thru hate and violence, I guess this is what he means about hope and change.

We all have blemishes, it's just what blemishes you can overlook or maybe you agree with, but for me actions speak much louder than words and the curtain is finally being pulled back to reveal the anger and bitterness that may be sitting in the White House.

CB

 

[Show-me]

Bottom Line OBAMA has no qualifications and he is an election away from being President.

The man is a walking scandel and all he can do is give a good speech. Actions speak louder than words and he choose Rev. Wright and Resco. What we don't know about Obama is who he really is.

Sarah Palin has more class and qualifications than Obama on his best day. I would vote for McCain/Palin over Obama and day.

Anyone sick of hearing about a guy that had a free ride to Harvard and his bitter wife. How many College students owe money on loans please the story is old and what in his story makes him qualified.

Obama made his choice long ago and sat in a racist church yet did not speak up but when his political career was on the line he then found Wright wrong. Michelle Obama at the DNC when Hillary Clinton gave her speech had that mean look on her ugly mug and she did the same to Bill Clinton.

At least we know more about who Sarah Palin is in 1 day than we do about Obama. Is she qualified YES since she is going to be VP while Obama is trying to be President. The biggest joke of all is for spite Obama wanted to punish Hillary so he choose Biden and that left the door wide open for McCain to pick Palin and that choice by Obama cost him the election. We will all see November 4, 2008 and Sarah Palin will be our next VP on the McCain ticket.

In 24 hours McCain has already received 7 million dollars what does that tell you. McCain's got my vote because there is no way in hell I will follow the cult.:nuts:

Not to mention his frienship with the unrepentant terrorists from the Weatherman Underground , co-dounder William Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn. You are would your friends are and if you plead ignorance of there terroist actions, then you sure as heck shoudln't be our Prez, if you can have the wool pulled over your eyes so easy. Just look who he is sourrounding himself with and actions, all angry bitter people who hate or are ashamed of America or at the very least who want change thru hate and violence, I guess this is what he means about hope and change.

We all have blemishes, it's just what blemishes you can overlook or maybe you agree with, but for me actions speak much louder than words and the curtain is finally being pulled back to reveal the anger and bitterness that may be sitting in the White House.

CB

LOL But none of those things count because he is black, charming, charismatic, a good orator, friends with Chicago's own Oprah, loved by Hollywood, and the media, and we want to do anything to stick it to the Republicans by electing this person even though he is not then right person for the job just to get even with the Bushies.

And, Obama picking Biden was not for "votes". LOL He picked Biden because Obama himself has NO experience and he don't trust the double team of Hillary and Bill for VP. He needed experience and foreign relations votes. Get real!

And, who do you think Obama will "surround" himself with if he gets into office? All of his Chicago buddies! The biggest crooks in the country!

Ron Paul for President!

 

[SkyPilot]

The issue regarding Obama's credentials has already been made and is now defining.

Any attack against Palin only points up the identity that is already defined for Obama.

It is a circular discussion that end up showing Obama's inexperience, and then compared to McCain's.

The real value of Palin is to raise the issue of experience and leadership, not ultimately hers, but every discussion leads back to Obama's deficit.

And, there will be those attracted to Palin for a variety of reasons. Biden has little to offer and will likely attract no one to the ticket that wasn't already pro Obama to begin with.