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RealMoneyIssues said:
Do you follow the stock mentor, or only his videos?
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I use the stock mentors videos as 1 tool in making decisions. Also I collaborate with him from time to time (once a week) through personal e-mails. I also do this with InTheMoneyStocks.com

Due to trade restrictions I find myself not where I want to be allocation wise most of the time. It was so much easier and profitable when we had unlimited IFT'S.
 
poolman said:
I use the stock mentors videos as 1 tool in making decisions. Also I collaborate with him from time to time (once a week) through personal e-mails. I also do this with InTheMoneyStocks.com

Due to trade restrictions I find myself not where I want to be allocation wise most of the time. It was so much easier and profitable when we had unlimited IFT'S.
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Thanks, I was just curious :)
 
PoolMan, I had to drain half my 7300 gallon pool due to excessive CYA due to excessive use of a tablet chlorinator. That was last season, since then I've been using household bleach.

Problem is I still have a bucket full of pucks from the previous owner and I hate to waste anything, but at the same time I have no idea how much CYA should be a concern, while maintaining the pool. I have High TA from the house water. I add MA once a week to tamp down the TA, then use the spa overflowing into the pool to aerate the PH back up. For bleach, I add the least amount I can, just enough to keep the leaves from browning the plaster.

Do you have any opinions on the use of tablet chorinators and their release of CYA?
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Too much CYA and it binds up your Chlorine and the pool turns green, not enough and the Chlorine evaporates and the pool turns green, bottled bleach is a bad way to go. I don't think you can aerate the PH back up, try Baking Soda and don't confuse me again.
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JTH said:
PoolMan, I had to drain half my 7300 gallon pool due to excessive CYA due to excessive use of a tablet chlorinator. That was last season, since then I've been using household bleach.

Problem is I still have a bucket full of pucks from the previous owner and I hate to waste anything, but at the same time I have no idea how much CYA should be a concern, while maintaining the pool. I have High TA from the house water. I add MA once a week to tamp down the TA, then use the spa overflowing into the pool to aerate the PH back up. For bleach, I add the least amount I can, just enough to keep the leaves from browning the plaster.

Do you have any opinions on the use of tablet chorinators and their release of CYA?
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Hey JTH,

First off I have the same chlorinater as you do in the picture you posted. Cyanuric Acid levels do increase every year you operate your pool. When a pool is filled for the first time an ideal cyanuric acid reading is 30ppm. In order to get your cya reading there for the first time you would use a product called stabil or stabil + (product to increase your cya) but you do need to get the cya there in the process of balancing the water. Chlorine tablets have stabilizer in them (Stabilized Chlorine) but very little in contrast to using straight stabilizer increaser. You must have at least a cya of 30 and not to exceed 90 (max) optimally no higher than 80 but be prepared to dump water over 90. Also I don't know if you have your water tested by the pool supply place (A good idea once every 6 weeks) or if you are testing your water using reagents or test strips. But let me say reagents and test strips go bad after 1 year. Buy enough of these for the season and at the end of the season get in the habit of throwing the rest away. Buy new testing products at the beginning of each pool season. I don't know how many years it has been since you dumped the last Big quantity of water but you should not have to do this but about once every 3-5 years. Like I said Clorine tablets have very little stabilizer increaser in them that would cause you to have to dump in just one season unless you for example you are running your chlorinater full of pucks all the time and on the max reading and I've even seen some people do this and have additional chlorine tablets in there skimmer baskets. And why do people to this. Because they either are not getting a chlorine reading or a very small chlorine reading.

When I first started working on swimming pools I had owned the pool that I have now and remember I could not get or maintain a Chlorine reading for the life of me. I kept testing the cya and the reading was always over 80. Well after spending a fortune on shock and Chlorine tablets I finally took a sample to our pool supply place and had the water tested. My water came back of barely having a cya reading. I could never get a chlorine reading or hold a reading because there was No stabilizer in the water.

What I personally do with my pool (27,500 gallons) is Shock it once a week. Now I know that pool guy's and places will tell you that you only have to shock once every two weeks. The reason I do this is because I am trying to keep my cya low for as long as I can. I still use the clorinator but keep the setting right around the 3 - 3.5 setting. Shock or granular chlorine does not have stabilizer in it. I turn the chlorinator off when I shock the pool (for me 3 to 4 pounds a week) and after about the second day my chlorine reading is between 3 and 5ppm. By about the third day I am turning my chloinator back on and set to about three.

You can use bleach which is a non stabilized form of chlorine but it is very week and you wouldn't be doing this to shock your pool.

Depending on how many hours a day you run your pool pump also affects water chemistry. I run my pump twelve hours a day and only during the day. If I where to run my pump 24 hours a day I could back the Clorinater down to a setting of 1.5

JTH, If I didn't answer your question completely or if you have more questions ask away.

Keep the pucks and use them. Like I said it should take years for a pool to go from a cya reading of 30 to 80.

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nnuut said:
Too much CYA and it binds up your Chlorine and the pool turns green, not enough and the Chlorine evaporates and the pool turns green, bottled bleach is a bad way to go. I don't think you can aerate the PH back up, try Baking Soda and don't confuse me again.
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You'd be surprised, the spa's jets throw out lots of tiny bubbles which then overflow into the pool. When the PH gets up to 7.8, I add the MA. This drops the TA down about 10 points, and drops the PH down to about 7.2

It takes about a week to bring the PH back up. My CYA is a bit on the low side, perhaps about 30, definitely under 50. The household bleach is more effective then you might think, I add 20-40 ounces a day, it's an inexpensive way and doesn't add CYA.

It's not that I mind using the tablet chorinator, I'm just not sure how much CYA those pucks add to the pool.
 
I only use salt, baking soda and one 5 Lb bottle of CYA a season, no shock, no flock, no pills, no pucks, no bottled bleach, no Calcium Hardness adjustments, no acid, no bubbles, no green, no black, no yellow.:D
 
Thanks PoolMan, sry I didn't notice I posted right after you. I haven't had the local pool store test this season, but I'll be sure to do that pretty soon. I do have a decent test kit, but I find the CYA test to be difficult due to my perception of that pesky black dot. I have some strips too, but they are sort of a joke, although I do use them for my CYA readings. I have no problems gettinginn my CL where I need it, and it will drop less than a point a day under current conditions (the water is 80 degrees.)

I find when I'm running my chorine 3-4 it seems difficult to keep the browning down (from the leaves on the plaster.) I've been keeping it in the 5-8 range, based on the pool calculator from a pool forum. I run the pump on low 8-12 hours a day, and on high when I'm cleaning or the kids are swimming. I can turn over the water in 4 hours on low, 2 on high.

Based on what you've said, I'm going to start running the chroinator on low, and gradually turn it up till I no longer have to mannually add chorine. It was last season I dumped out half the water, I kept the pool open this winter. The previous owners used a service company, I have no idea how long it had been like that. What I do know is they were'nt the do-it-yourself types. As for the pool, I love it, yes it does require my daily attention, but it's a labor of love. Oh and the survivalist in me loves having water on the ready 24/7 :)

Thanks everyone for the advice
 
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