Paid Services or Free with help...

[oreo]

If your TSP account balance is $10,000, today's gains in the ebbchart system would have made you enough to pay for a 2-year subscription. If you're at $100,000 you made enough today for a 20-year subscription. A $500K account...

Tom,

I totally agree with you.

I'm not a mathematician but as I calculate it, $15/31 days in a month = approx. 48 cents a day.

If someone cannot afford to pay 48 cents a day to obtain the gains that these systems provide, then something is very, very wrong.

My account has grown exponentially since I have used these systems and I think the effort that goes into producing these systems is the world's biggest bargain at 48 cents a day. Sign me up!

 

[tsptalk]

I have people coming to this site almost everyday now and I always sell it as "free". If you start charging, I can't tout this site for the resource it has become.

I appreciate the recommendations. The site is good - but ebb has taken it to another level. And we made it clear from the get go that it was going to be a premium subscription service.

You get what you pay for. My commentary is free - nuff said.

Most of the site will still be free. The sentiment survey system is now up about 20% this year and is free. The message board is free. The utility programs, the autotracker, etc., but if there was ever a premium service in all of the financial world - anywhere, so far the ebbchart system is it.

If ebb can keep this up and we are not paying him, it won't be long before someone else snatches him up and pays him a lot of money. I pay $35/month for realmoney.com and no one on there is doing anything close to what ebb is doing. You can pay an extra $42 a month ($500/yr) and get their ETF trading signals. Or, like I said, you can pay $475 a month and hang out in RevSharks chat room.

But whether free, $15/mo, $25/mo or even $100/month, enjoy it while you can. My guess is ebb will be taken away from us by people willing to pay him what he's worth. There's a reason why you don't see other people making these kinds of gains in a non-margin / index only account. The wealthy own them.

I am actually a little offended by those who think the ebbchart system "should" be free. I don't mean to offend back but those people can't possibly understand what this type of information is worth if they think $15 a month is too much. If we charged $50 a month, there will be those who "get it" and will pay. I'm guessing those who think $15 a month is too high, will be the first to complain when the ebb has a losing streak - because they don't "get it." Look around the internet. I guarantee you will not find a financial service with a better value. If you do, let me know because I'll want to get it myself.

Traffic is up 8% to 10% because of the ebbchart and because of your kind recommendations recently. But that is not close to the 400% or 500% increase we needed to make ad revenue an equal alternative.

I should probably close this thread now because I think we have all said our peace. If I haven't sold you buy now, I'm sure I can not convince you that the ebbchart system is worth $15/mo. And you can not convince me that it is not. I wish I could please everyone, but the bottom line is - unless the traffic manages to double between now and the end of September, only those willing to pay for the Ebb system will get access to the service once it goes to a subscription in October.

Good luck!

 

[Frixxxx]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.....touting your site as "Free", with everything you've included is a good thing. I was just trying to say that what the ebbers have gotten in return (I've been stubbornly I) is definitely worth a 15-20 spot a month. If that system stays true, the projections I'm calculating quadruple my retirement expectations.

I am in for my subscription!

 

[tsptalk]

If that system stays true, the projections I'm calculating quadruple my retirement expectations.

That would be amazing! Can we put a price on early retirement?

 

[mkita73]

nnuut, etal,

In days long gone!

My Dad had a place of business with a coke machine that sold 6 oz. sodas for 5 cents. You had to lift up the top, slide the soda along a rail into a discharge box, deposit 5 cents and pull the soda up out of the box....Wa-la!
The soda distributer always wanted to sell my Dad a new soda machine. Nothing doing, my Dad wouldn't buy!
He would say, business is good, that coke machine invites folks in. It's a great deal, and as they drink their soda, they tend to stay and buy more! If I gave it away free they would be suspicious. If I charged the regular price, we are just like the rest, why do business here.

The problem was, I was the person who had to refill the dang thing!

Spaf

I like your analogy makes sense. As I"m new to this website, I'm on the fence about whether the service should be free or not. Now it's free and I'm happy cause I'm benefitting from it. I have to think about it some more.:worried::worried:

 

[qibovin]

Again, the fees can be avoided if we can push the site to 4 to 5 X current traffic levels.

I've never seen a website go from a paid service to free. Most start out "free" and ad-based, establish a name for themselves, then start charging through the teeth. Example NetZero. The "Zero" used to be the price.

This is what I just posted on my Account Talk thread:

I realize that some investors with 100s of thousands, even 7 figure TSP balances can except $200+/year when they are almost guaranteed to make that up in improved gains; however, for those of us with lesser balances, just starting out, that's most of the improved performance out the door right off the bat. Obviously, there's no good accountability to be able to go with a "percent of balance" sort of fee, but I did think that this site was originally aimed at "the little man." As I've mentioned before, I do want to see these "systems" get compensated, I just think it could be done in a more cooperative way, without compromising the inter-system dialogues that are of great value and intrigue.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the response is to these paid systems, but I suspect that they might do better taking a proportionate (?based on clicks to there system pages) payment from a combined "site" fee than they will do with individual subscribers. Personally, I like to use all the knowledge available to come up with my allocations, but those combined fees are pretty steep.

I have posted before about a combined site fee for all (or Trader and Ebb) systems. The $10 range that others have mentioned would be very reasonable for this, and the increased participation would likely MORE than make up for the decreased price. JMHO and I haven't been following this entire thread, so I hope I'm not beating a dead horse, but has anybody crunched the numbers or surveyed participants to get an idea of whether this would be feasable? It also just seems to me that such a combined site fee would come with a lot less disruption of the MB posts and personal ways-of-doing-things to which we each individually have become accustomed.

 

[camper65]

My Daddy once told me, "There are always those who, if you gave them a brick of gold, would think it to be a brick of S----!"
On my scale, the Ebb sys. rates a B+. (There are no A's)
And "there are no sacred cows". (Seems I've said that before!)
I commend Ebb, he has done a very good job and should be compersated.
(Notice, I did not say wonderful!) If he can keep the price reasonable, (a relative term) I'm in for sure.
I've done well by myself, not great but well and know that with Ebb i could do much better.
(You just can't PLEASE everyone no matter how hard you try!)

(Opps, I'm showing my dab spelling again!) haha

 

[Berimbauone]

Ebbs system is well worth a fee..thnx for sharing the wealth!