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James48843 said:
And I said it before, and I'll say it again.

The point of burning ethanol instead of oil ISN'T JUST "saving money".

It's cost comparable. It's not necessarily a cot saver in YOUR POCKET.

But IT KEEPS THE MONEY IN AMERICA, rather than sending the money overseas.

We KEEP THE MONEY IN THE HANDS OF MIDWEST FARMERS, instead of putting the money in the hands of MIDEAST SHEIKS.


Get it?

It's a NATIONAL DEFENSE ISSUE.
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I have to agree..all things considered..blah, blah, blah..I'd much rather the money spent for fuel..no matter what kind it is, go to the US markets instead of the sand fleas in the middle east.
 
Today, the average price spread of E85 and gasoline is about 15.9%

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My car- an ex G-car- a 2005 Dodge Stratus, gets about 15% fewer MPG on E85 than it does on gasoline (22 vs 25 mpg). So with a price difference of 15.9%, it is SLIGHTLY better financially for me to burn E85. The money goes to AMERICAN FARMERS, not foreign oil companies. It stays in my state.


The new 2011 Buick Turbo Regal gets 12% fewer MPG's on E85 than on gasoline. So it it a 3% advantage to burn E85.

Just two examples.

Your posting of the AAA 'BTU Adjusted price" is meaningless, because that doesn't reflect what cars actually do for MPG, it just reflects the price of a BTU.

Diesel fuel has many more BTU's than gasoline. Do you post the "BTU Adjusted price" of Diesel fuel?

Ok- let's do it.

Diesel fuel costs, in your AAA posting, $3.84 a gallon. Diesel fuel contains 147,000 BTU's per gallon.

Gasoline costs , in your AAA posting, $3.49 a gallon. Gasoline contains 125,000 BTU's per gallon.


Under your scenario then, no one should ever use gasoline, because the BTU adjusted price of diesel fuel is so much cheaper.
($3.84/147,000) * (125,000) = $ 3.265


Why would anyone pay $3.49 a gallon for gasoline, when the"BTU adjusted price " of diesel fuel is $3.265?


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Buster said:
Who makes this car?:D[/LEFT]
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Here ya go Buster:

A 2011 "Buck Turbo Regal"

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Sorry I forgot the subsidies for Ethanol itself, it never ends::sick:
Just mentally add this to the rest.
With all these price at the pump should be around $.45 a gallon for E85.:confused:

Ethanol and the perpetual subsidy

By Tracy Warner
Editorial Page Editor
Tuesday, January 4, 2011


Subsidies don’t die. They rarely fade away. Major industries developed with government subsidies work for government subsidy. That their product can’t be sold for a profit in the open market, and therefore has no genuine economic value, is only proof of the wisdom of government giving them money to continue their inefficiencies. Not to do so would cost “jobs.” Their jobs, anyway.
And so subsidized industry invests greatly in mining their source of wealth, which is government, and so develop powerful political clout, not only to protect themselves, but grow. A growth industry subsidized requires growing subsidies. It’s a simple formula.

Replacing gasoline with an unprofitable product no one would buy unless forced is not cheap. The CBO once again estimates, “The costs to taxpayers of using a biofuel to reduce gasoline consumption by one gallon are $1.78 for ethanol made from corn.” For biodiesel it’s $2.55.
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http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2011/jan/04/ethanol-and-the-perpetual-subsidy/
 
James48843 said:
Sounds like that Japanese built FJ Cruiser is a real gas hog.

You should get a nice American-made GMC 4-wheel drive instead!

Cut your carbon emission in half, drive E85, and only use less than 1/4th the amount of imported petroleum.

And it's far cheaper per mile to run, even using E85.

Compare your 2007 Toyota FJ with a nice 2011 GMC Terrain 4-wheel drive. 6 cylinder.

That'd make a nice trade!

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I plan on keeping my good ole FJ Cruiser. I was out in Arizona a couple months ago with some friends doing some rock crawling fun in a place called Box Canyon. Our group had two Polaris 4x4’s and my FJ. A Ford 4x4 passed by us on the trail and left us in his dust. It was a Ford 4x4 specifically designed for serious four wheeling fun. It costs about 50-60K new.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/featured...r_off_road_truck/svt_off_road_race_truck.html

We caught up the Ford 4x4 couple hours later and he was hung up on a huge bolder. He couldn't get enough traction to escape. I hooked him up to my small Toyota FJ and pulled him out without any problem. I had my two boys spotting me and they couldn't believe I was able to pull him free. I’ve owned 4 Toyota 4x4’s and 3 Chevy 4x4’s and the FJ really Rocks off road. They are very popular out here in California. I’ve never had a finer 4x4, but I wish it did get a little better mpg!!! BTW, my agency car is a 2011 Suburban 4x4 3/4 ton and it’s great off road too, but my Toyota FJ is still my fav...:cool::cool:
 
Stocks: It's all about oil

By Ken Sweet, contributing writerMarch 6, 2011: 10:27 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- It's simple: Oil is all that matters at the moment.
The story of quickly-rising energy prices has captured Wall Street's attention in recent weeks. The Dow rallied 190 points Thursday amid positive economic data and modest declines in oil prices only to have a chunk of those gains erased the next day as crude oil prices jumped above $104 a barrel.


Next week's trading agenda is thin.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/06/markets/stocks_lookahead/index.htm
 
Some talks about the GOV intervening and maybe...

1. Use the Strategic Oil Reserves..but a lot of people say hell no to that, it's for emergencies only.

2. Lower gasoline taxes..but that would hurt the budget balancing act.

3. Put a nation wide cap on gas prices...

I don't know how they can do it...But option # 3 seems okay with me.
 
Buster said:
Some talks about the GOV intervening and maybe...

1. Use the Strategic Oil Reserves..but a lot of people say hell no to that, it's for emergencies only.

2. Lower gasoline taxes..but that would hurt the budget balancing act.

3. Put a nation wide cap on gas prices...

I don't know how they can do it...But option # 3 seems okay with me.
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#1- Hell no. It's for emergencies. Like when the Middle East cuts off the oil entirely. Which could happen at any time, and if it did, we sure don't need to suddenly find out it's empty. Note- it only has a couple weeks worth of oil in it anyway. That won't do much if anything become prolonged. Thank GOODNESS we have alternative fuels out there (ethanol!)

#2. Lower gasoline taxes? I'd rather see them raised by 50 cents a gallon, and use the money to develop alternatives. Ethanol production from algae, from hemp, from wood chips, and build infrastructure as well. Put a chunk of the money towards developing CNG fueling stations. We can easily do a lot more of both ethanol and CNG with existing AMERICAN resources, but we need MONEY to build out the infrastructure.

#3. Price controls??? Just ask Richard Nixon how that worked out the last time they tried them. That would only work if we nationalize all the oil companies. Not a bad idea, though...
 
FAB1 said:
1. NO
2. NO
3. No

Drill! :D
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EXACTLY!!!:D

March 7, 2011, 8:14 a.m. EST
Oil futures near $107 mark amid Libyan conflict

Investors worry that the unrest may spread to other oil producers

By Sarah Turner, MarketWatch

LONDON (MarketWatch) — Crude-oil futures climbed toward $107 a barrel as fighting in Libya raged on Monday, adding to concern that popular unrest will spread to other oil-producing states in the region.
Crude for April delivery /quotes/comstock/21n!f:cl\j11 (CLJ11 106.49, +2.07, +1.98%) gained $2.45 to $106.87 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract earlier hit an intraday high of $106.98 a barrel.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oi...id-libyan-conflict-2011-03-06?dist=beforebell
 
Drill?

Bakken is producing just 15,000 barrels per day.

Here is the latest report:
http://oilshalegas.com/bakkenshale.html



We'll need a heck of a lot more than just "Drill baby drill" to cope with America's addiction to oil:




You better get some more guys on that to drill.

But then again, you better find a whole lot more resources out there, if you ever expect to offset the imported oil. Just tapping the Bakken alone isn't going to cut it. Nor will ANWAR, nor deep sea Gulf of Mexico. Not even close.

So, what's cha gonna do?
 
James48843 said:
Drill?

Bakken is producing just 15,000 barrels per day.

Here is the latest report:
http://oilshalegas.com/bakkenshale.html



We'll need a heck of a lot more than just "Drill baby drill" to cope with America's addiction to oil:




You better get some more guys on that to drill.

But then again, you better find a whole lot more resources out there, if you ever expect to offset the imported oil. Just tapping the Bakken alone isn't going to cut it. Nor will ANWAR, nor deep sea Gulf of Mexico. Not even close.

So, what's cha gonna do?
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Well I guess all we can do is grow more corn? When I get time I'll get you the REAL NUMBERS and reasons that Drilling is being held up like it is. In my opinion your judgment is so full of it your eyes are BROWN.:laugh::laugh::laugh::suspicious:
 
nnuut said:
Well I guess all we can do is grow more corn? When I get time I'll get you the REAL NUMBERS and reasons that Drilling is being held up like it is. In my opinion your judgment is so full of it your eyes are BROWN.
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Look Nnuttt, Ive got the ANSWER!

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