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KevinD said:
Or we're just flat running out of oil and what there is left is going to be more expensive...period. :worried:
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Or we're just not allowed to drill for the oil...

I vaguely remember someone mentioning that they wanted to see $9/gal gas here in the USA to force us to dump our SUVs, use public transportation, and move closer to our jobs...

Sigh, I just want to go home and go to sleep... then wake up and be back in Kansas...
 
So why was oil not an issue yesterday?

It's crazy that one day it seems to drag everything down and the next it isn't even a concern.
 
Greek flagged Tanker carrying $200 milllion in crude oil hijacked off Somalia.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Pirates-Seize-Oil-Tanker-with-200-Million-of-Crude-115664679.html


It's the SECOND tanker captured in two days. Yesterday, a supertanker ws hijcked off the coast of Oman. That one is carrying oil destined to the United States.


Somali pirates captured the supertanker Irene SL early Wednesday off the coast of Oman as it was transporting some 2 million barrels of Kuwaiti crude oil destined for the United States.
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Oil being transported in those waters is vunerable.


WE- the United States, are paying through the nose trying to protect them with our Navy ships in the area. That protection isn't enough, and it's NOT being billed to the oil companies, like it should be.


That's all I am going to say. Except for this-

You notice they aren't hijacking John Deere tractors out in Northern Illinois...


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(We HAVE a choice.

YOU can choose to send your money to Middle East terrorists, or to Mid-west farmers. We HAVE a choice.)
 
James48843 said:
That's all I am going to say. Except for this-

You notice they aren't hijacking John Deere tractors out in Northern Illinois...


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(We HAVE a choice.

YOU can choose to send your money to Middle East terrorists, or to Mid-west farmers. We HAVE a choice.)
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That tractor runs pretty well on ethanol, right? Nuff said.
 
Minnow said:
That tractor runs pretty well on ethanol, right? Nuff said.
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Yes, in fact it does. Many 1930's tractors were originally designed to be powered by ethanol. And many were designed to be both alcohol OR gasoline. Just ask Henry Ford, who happend to design the first Model "T" as an ethanol fueled vehicle, before he went off and designed a lot of farm tractors too.

But 1930's farm tracors aren't the only ones capable of using ethanol.

Here is a modern one too.
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and the story:

http://domesticfuel.com/2006/09/20/ethanol-powered-tractor-research/


You can design just about anything you want these days.

Ethanol powered tractors, aircraft, cars, trucks. All are possible.
Here is a Brazilian company now making Ethanol tractor engines in new tractor mass-production.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2010/...y-readies-first-bio-ethanoldiesel-tractor.htm


And you can do biodiesel as well. For all of those applicaitons.

All it takes is COMMITTMENT to do things differently.

You'll find it is not only possible, but it is cost competitive.

And no Somali pirates interfere, either....
 
Buster said:
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about that will be going on in the "mean time" while our Oil industry Drills for all that Oil in the US to free us from foreign dependency.


Mass. company making diesel with sun, water, CO2​


A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

Joule claims, for instance, that its cyanobacterium can produce 15,000 gallons of diesel full per acre annually, over four times more than the most efficient algal process for making fuel. And they say they can do it at $30 a barrel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_us/us_growing_fuel
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KevinD said:
At least somebody's trying to use something besides food. World population has doubled in the last 50 years...from around 4 billion to over 8 billion.
We're gonna need to eat the corn...
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RealMoneyIssues said:
However, http://environment.about.com/od/ethanolfaq/f/ethanol_problem.htm

I just don't understand why we want to burn our food?!?

lol, here come the flames...
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Yep...
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RealMoneyIssues said:
However, http://environment.about.com/od/ethanolfaq/f/ethanol_problem.htm

I just don't understand why we want to burn our food?!?

lol, here come the flames...
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#1. Your food isn't on fire. We don't eat the type of corn that ethanol is made from. Nor is corn the only possible source of ethanol. You can make ethanol from sugar cane, sugar beets, corn, sorghum, wood chips, switch grass, and municipal waste, among other things.


#2. Your "About.com" article cites a guy named David Pimental. Pimental is paid by oil companies. He is wrong, and has been discredited for years. Ethanol is not a "net loss" energy source, it's a "net gain." Here's what the USDA says about that:

http://www.usda.gov/documents/USDA_Biofuels_Report_6232010.pdf

the curernt data shows Ethanol produced a minimum of 2.3 BTU's out for each BTU in, and up to 2.8 BTU's out, when the ethanol plant uses renewable sources of energy for heating. The data also shows the potential for up to 26 to 1 BTU ratios moving forward.

For the USDA report, ethanol producers in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska and eastern South Dakota were surveyed in the fall of 2008 and winter of 2009. The plants surveyed were dry grind plants that produce and sell dry distillers grains and use fossil fuel power for thermal energy and electricity. The study measured the conventional fossil fuel energy used to produce a gallon of ethanol.

The conclusion was that for every Btu of energy required to make one gallon of ethanol, 2.3 Btus of energy are produced. For those companies that use up to 50 percent biomass power, the study said, the ratio of Btus used to produce a gallon of ethanol is a conservative 1: 2.8 Btus of energy produced. In the future, if more biomass is utilized for power, the energy ratio could reach 1: 26.

The numbers are an improvement from the last study conducted in 2004 that concluded 2.3 Btus of energy were required to create 1.76 Btus of energy in a gallon of ethanol. In the past 20 years, ethanol yields have improved by 10 percent, which means less corn is needed to produce ethanol, the report said. Besides that, less land is needed to produce corn because corn yields have increased by 39 percent in the same two decades.
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Source: http://www.ethanolproducer.com/articles/6820/production-efficiency-continues-to-improve


Anyway- this is the Oil Thread. Let's get back to talking Oil.

You know, like the two Oil Tankers hijacked in the last two days, along with all the Lybian stuff. Racking up the price of oil.
 
James - I hope you turn out to be right...I really do. Time will tell.

The real problem IMO is that world population has more than doubled in the last 50 years. Demand on all resources has skyrocketed.
 
James48843 said:
Greek flagged Tanker carrying $200 milllion in crude oil hijacked off Somalia.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Pirates-Seize-Oil-Tanker-with-200-Million-of-Crude-115664679.html


It's the SECOND tanker captured in two days. Yesterday, a supertanker ws hijcked off the coast of Oman. That one is carrying oil destined to the United States.




Oil being transported in those waters is vunerable.


WE- the United States, are paying through the nose trying to protect them with our Navy ships in the area. That protection isn't enough, and it's NOT being billed to the oil companies, like it should be.


That's all I am going to say. Except for this-

You notice they aren't hijacking John Deere tractors out in Northern Illinois...


Hastings%20JD%20B%20400.jpg

(We HAVE a choice.

YOU can choose to send your money to Middle East terrorists, or to Mid-west farmers. We HAVE a choice.)
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There's also no one hijacking the TransAlaska Pipeline. We should open up ANWAR and DRILL BABY, DRILL!
 
James48843 said:
Yes, in fact it does.
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You forgot you were talking to a farm boy again.

Unless I miss my guess thats about a 1932 or 33 John Deere GWPT with a two cylinder engine and down south you'll get about 75 yards before vapor lock hits running on ethanol.

Up in a colder climate, during the spring or fall, if you run it for one good work day, the next morning, you'll start it up and all the gunk from your fuel lines will clog the top end and well, you're screwed just the same.

Go ahead and sell your snake oil to hippies and the like, real farmers choose the fuel that's the best bang for their buck and that ain't ethanol.

Smoke, mirrors and a scam. Pure and simple.
 
Minnow said:
You forgot you were talking to a farm boy again.

Unless I miss my guess thats about a 1932 or 33 John Deere GWPT with a two cylinder engine and down south you'll get about 75 yards before vapor lock hits running on ethanol.
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Very Impressive, Minnow! :D
 
James48843 said:
But 1930's farm tracors aren't the only ones capable of using ethanol.

Here is a modern one too.
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and the story:

http://domesticfuel.com/2006/09/20/ethanol-powered-tractor-research/
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I see that was in 2006, and I also see the American and Canadian Farm Industries just fell all over themselves ordering those things up by the truckloads.

Might I suggest all these posts go over to the Corn and Ethanol thread. The awesome Oil Slick thread gets too clogged from time to time having to separate the wheat from the chaffe. :D
 
Just bought 10 gallons of gold (gas 10% food) paid $35.60.:nuts:

03/04/2011 - Updated 10:57 AM ET
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Oil futures hit $104 a barrel
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By Myra P. Saefong, MarketWatch & William L. Watts, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Oil futures touched $104 a barrel Friday, poised for a weekly gain of about 6%, as investors worried that turmoil in Libya could disrupt global supplies.
“Traders face a weekend of uncertainty over Libya and several other countries in the Middle East and North Africa,” said James Williams, an economist at WTRG Economics. “In times of political uncertainty in OPEC members, there is often a ‘weekend effect’ as there are a lot of bad things that can happen in two days.”
Crude for April delivery [CLJ11] climbed as high as $104.10 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. More recently, it was up $1.51 to $103.42. http://markets.usatoday.com/custom/...S&guid={C799D222-4609-11E0-ADFE-00212804637C}
 
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