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nnuut said:
I'm closing in on 20,000 posts counting the ones on the Politics Site.:laugh:
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You got 2000 over there?

I need to get over there, I have my user ID I just havent made the leap.
 
Minnow said:
You forgot you were talking to a farm boy again.

Unless I miss my guess thats about a 1932 or 33 John Deere GWPT with a two cylinder engine and down south you'll get about 75 yards before vapor lock hits running on ethanol.

Up in a colder climate, during the spring or fall, if you run it for one good work day, the next morning, you'll start it up and all the gunk from your fuel lines will clog the top end and well, you're screwed just the same.

Go ahead and sell your snake oil to hippies and the like, real farmers choose the fuel that's the best bang for their buck and that ain't ethanol.

Smoke, mirrors and a scam. Pure and simple.
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Nope- it's not a GWPT.

It's a John Deere Model A, produced between 1934 and 1947.

It's officially classified as an "all fuel" tractor, meaning it can operate on gasoline, or diesel, or ethanol, or "tractor fuel", which was a hybred fuel in the 1930's that was thicker than gasoline but thinner than diesel fuel at the time.

When it was tested at the Nebraska Tractor Pull testing in 1934, it was tested using "distillates", which is sort of a "natha" mid-fuel blend. Yes, it can run on ethanol. Here is the data from the 1934 Nebraska testing:

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/2/25-john-deere-a.html

Enjoy the read, Minnow, but yes, ethanol would work.
So would kerosene, naptha, diesel fuel, and yes, biodiesel would work today too.

It is true that diesel fuel powers the majority of farm equipment today, but that is purely because of the historic cheap price of oil and economical reasons of the past, not because it will always be the best deal. If diesel fuel goes to $5 a gallon, and ethanol is $2 a gallon, you'll see a lot more ethanol options out there in the future of farm country.


Back to oil for this thread.

Did you see that now TWO OIL TANKERS have been hijacked this week, and that gasoline is expected to jump another dime tomorrow at the pump?
 
Light Sweet Crude at $104.94, up $3.00 today.


I'll say that again- Up $3.00 TODAY!

Amazing.

(Fillup with $2.89 E85 on the way home tonight- cause the price of gasoline is about to jack up another .25 cents on today's action alone).
 
FAB1 said:
You got 2000 over there?

I need to get over there, I have my user ID I just havent made the leap.
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come on in boys the water's fine,

don't worry it's fair, equal opportunity all the same, we'll kick your *** no matter who you are or where you come from.
 
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I just got back from a long trip (4200 miles) using my 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser. It has a very serious thirst for fuel and as I recall, it was about 3.29 per gallon two weeks ago and when I topped it off last Thursday it was 3.69 here in Los Angeles!!!... I’m going to park the FJ and start driving my 2008 Prius (Golf Cart) to save on gas!!! :cool::cool:
 
Aviator_Guy said:
I just got back from a long trip (4200 miles) using my 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser. It has a very serious thirst for fuel and as I recall, it was about 3.29 per gallon two weeks ago and when I topped it off last Thursday it was 3.69 here in Los Angeles!!!... I’m going to park the FJ and start driving my 2008 Prius (Golf Cart) to save on gas!!! :cool::cool:
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Sounds like that Japanese built FJ Cruiser is a real gas hog.

You should get a nice American-made GMC 4-wheel drive instead!

Cut your carbon emission in half, drive E85, and only use less than 1/4th the amount of imported petroleum.

And it's far cheaper per mile to run, even using E85.

Compare your 2007 Toyota FJ with a nice 2011 GMC Terrain 4-wheel drive. 6 cylinder.

That'd make a nice trade!

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E85 is not as cheap as you say Jim.

E85 Blender Pump Tax Credit Cost Taxpayers $1.80 Per Additional Gallon Pumped

By Plains Daily Report on February 3, 2011 at 07:47 am

Reports suggest that tax credits for “blender pumps” have increased the amount of E85 ethanol blended fuel sold in North Dakota.
Governor Jack Dalrymple announced a total of 582,000 gallons of E85 sold in the state from January to November of 2010, up from 250,000 gallons during the same period in 2009, an increase of 332,000 gallons.
Since the $5,000 per pump tax credit was initiated, some 120 blender pumps have been installed in 27 communities around the state according to the governor’s announcement at a total cost of $600,000 and $1.80 per additional gallon of E85 pumped. http://plainsdaily.com/entry/e85_bl...t_taxpayers_1.80_per_additional_gallon_pumpe/

On top of that $1.80 there is this!


Will E85 Save Me Money?

By Joe Wiesenfelder, Cars.com

At its current price per gallon, E85 doesn't save you money, and it might cost you more. As of December 2010, a gallon of E85 was approximately 13 percent less than the cost of a gallon of gasoline nationally, according to e85prices.com. However, E85 produces 27 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline, so on average it ends up costing more.
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http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=fuel&subject=fuelAlt&story=e85

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What about the cost of Chicken, Pork, CORN and corn products?:nuts:
Snopes that!!!:laugh:
 
nnuut said:
E85 is not as cheap as you say Jim.

...582,000 gallons of E85 sold in the state from January to November of 2010, up from 250,000 gallons during the same period in 2009, an increase of 332,000 gallons.
Since the $5,000 per pump tax credit was initiated, some 120 blender pumps have been installed in 27 communities around the state according to the governor’s announcement at a total cost of $600,000 and $1.80 per additional gallon of E85 pumped. http://plainsdaily.com/entry/e85_bl...t_taxpayers_1.80_per_additional_gallon_pumpe/

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Look closely at what you just wrote.

Ethanol sales MORE THAN DOUBLED when they put in blender pumps.

A $600,00 investment INCREASED PAYMENTS to FARMERS by INCREASED DEMAND FOR THEIR PRODUCT. The increased demand was 332,000 gallons of additional sales (At $2 a gallon, (low) that meant another $664,000 dollars remaining in the community, instead of flowing to oil companies outside the country.

Those pumps will have a lifetime of what, perhaps 30 years? Perhaps instead of costing that $600,000 investment over ten months, you ought to cost it out over 30 years. So that would be $20,000 of invetment, brought $664,000 of local sales JUST IN THE FIRST TEN MONTHS. I'd say that's a hell of a good deal for Americans, and for the farmers.
 
And I said it before, and I'll say it again.

The point of burning ethanol instead of oil ISN'T JUST "saving money".

It's cost comparable. It's not necessarily a cost saver in YOUR POCKET.

But IT KEEPS THE MONEY IN AMERICA, rather than sending the money overseas.

We KEEP THE MONEY IN THE HANDS OF MIDWEST FARMERS, instead of putting the money in the hands of MIDEAST SHEIKS.


Get it?

It's a NATIONAL DEFENSE ISSUE.
 
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