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[nnuut]

BP to Try, Siphon Oil in 24 Hours
by Mark Peters
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Dow Jones Newswires
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Friday, May 14, 2010

MOBILE (Dow Jones Newswires), May 28, 2010
BP will use a tube to try and siphon oil from the large leak a mile down in the Gulf of Mexico, and expects to have it in place within the next 24 hours, a company spokesman said.
If successful, the tube would contain one of the two remaining leaks spewing at least 5,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf since the burning and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig last month. Engineers will attempt to thread the tube into piping coming out of the well and then bring the oil to the surface. [more]
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=93354&hmpn=1

 

[nnuut]

Video:

BP says tube successfully inserted back into Gulf leak

By the CNN Wire Staff

May 16, 2010 1:56 p.m. EDT

New tactics against Gulf oil leak


(CNN) -- Oil company BP says it has successfully reinserted the end of a mile-long tube into a damaged oil pipe at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico after a weekend setback.
The system was able to send some of the leaking oil to be captured on a drill ship on the surface overnight. It also burned off some of the natural gas released in the process, according to a statement from the joint BP-Coast Guard command center leading the response to the oil spill.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/16/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[nnuut]

Video: Watch 2nd video for more info:
OIL LEAK MAY BE SLOWING.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/05/16/nr.mattingly.oil.cnn

 

[Buster]

All that is good news...Unfortunately I'm afraid the damage has been done...Not just the oil to be cleaned up off the ocean and shores, but to the future of off shore drilling..People like Jim have tried to paint as much gloom and doom about this accident as they could, furthering their agendas to close down domestic oil production..what People like these are doing is spiting their own faces and they will pay dearly not only at the pumps, but for every single thing that oil makes including the clothes on their backs, the shingles on their roofs, the plastic in their computers, the tires on their cars, the carpet in their living rooms, to the roads they drive on...Oil from OPEC is the way of the future for a very long time..unless we get past this and...

Drill Baby Drill..or it will be pay baby pay!!!

 

[James48843]

All that is good news...Unfortunately I'm afraid the damage has been done...Not just the oil to be cleaned up off the ocean and shores, but to the future of off shore drilling..People like Jim have tried to paint as much gloom and doom about this accident as they could, furthering their agendas to close down domestic oil production..what People like these are doing is spiting their own faces and they will pay dearly not only at the pumps, but for every single thing that oil makes including the clothes on their backs, the shingles on their roofs, the plastic in their computers, the tires on their cars, the carpet in their living rooms, to the roads they drive on...Oil from OPEC is the way of the future for a very long time..unless we get past this and...

Drill Baby Drill..or it will be pay baby pay!!!

First of all, thank you very much for the personal slam, Buster, I appreciate it.

Secondly, no, we don't "need" OPEC - OPEC is NOT the way of the future, if I can help it. YOU might be perfectly smug getting American soldiers killed for your oil addiction. I, however, am not. I would gladly pay a few pennies more for domestic sources of renewable energy.

Think we need Gulf of Mexico oil, or Arabian peninsula oil for YOUR transportation needs? Think again. There is another way.


Here is a link to a new ethanol plant that opened last week in Iowa.

http://www.ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=6585

It makes ethanol from municipal waste. That's right- the trash you though out- into fuel for MY car.

And it makes it economically- it competes in price with corn ethanol. Cost target is $1.65 a gallon. For ethanol that is made from municipal waste. That plant is the first of a new technology- it will put out 6 million gallons of ethanol next year from the municipal waste of Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Yes, it costs $24 million to build this plant. Now, duplicate it with 250 plants elsewhere in this nation, and you can replace the vast majority of gasoline needed. We just need the 15% to make E85, instead of the 90% of gasoline we use now.

And it can be done for less than the cost of one year of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All the things we do, Buster, are the result of choices. We could make the choice to just build the darn plants now and in a couple years, not need to import a drop of OPEC oil. That would be a choice.

Or we could make the choice to have more BP rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, off the coast of Florida, around the east coat up to Virginia, and off the coast of California as well. The cost of those kinds of rigs will also be in the hundreds of millions, and into the billions. And in the end, we continue to suck up fossil fuel, and then, eventually, that too will run out.

No, we need to make different choices as a society- and move to renewable fuels. Corn ethanol. Sugar beet ethanol. Sugar cane ethanol. Cellulostic Ethanol. Municipal waste ethanol. All things that can be burned in automobile engines now, with less than $100 additional changes in engines. GM and Ford both have said they will make 50% of their cars flex-fuel cars by 2012.

Toyota and Honda, by the way, do not offer a SINGLE flex-fuel passenger car.

You make your choices how you want the future to be.
More death, destruction in the middle east, dead fish, dead birds.

Or something else.

I've made mine.

 

[James48843]

People like these are doing is spiting their own faces and they will pay dearly not only at the pumps, but for every single thing that oil makes including:
the clothes on their backs,

Cotton. Wool. Natural fabrics. Do you think someone might invent using cotton to make clothes?

the shingles on their roofs,

Metal roofs last much, much longer than petroleum based shingles. The one on my grandfathers house lasted 110 years before needing replaced. http://www.newenglandmetalroof.com/

the plastic in their computers,

Plastics can also be made from corn starch and soybeans. In fact, that's a pretty good growing industry segment- mostly now around the food industry.
http://www.worldcentric.org/biocompostables/bioplastics But bioplastics can be made into just about anything petroleum based plastics can.

the tires on their cars,

See above. Gee, what ever did we do before they invented synthetic rubber? Ahh.... REAL rubber.

the carpet in their living rooms,

Wool carpets, cotton carpets. Flax fibers. Heck, hemp makes some nice carpets too, doesn't it? You are again talking about CHOICES that you have made. That doesn't mean there are not better alternatives out there. Sure, let's run the price of oil through the roof- to reflect the REAL cost to our society of oil. And then those who choose that can do so. And pay the cost to society that oil REALLY costs. Damage to the environment. Costs to secure pipelines and ports - costs currently underwritten by the taxpayer (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard) and the cleanup. (Wait until BP gets the bill for the Gulf for this one well. )

to the roads they drive on..

Ever heard of something called CEMENT?

.Oil from OPEC is the way of the future for a very long time..unless we get past this and...Drill Baby Drill..or it will be pay baby pay!!!

We're paying now- in the blood of U.S. soldiers in the middle east. We're paying now, in the form of cleanup in the Gulf of Mexico and in Alaska, where, more than 20 years after the Exxon Valdez, the local communities are still not back to the life they had before. Just multiply that damage by the number of people along the Gulf Coast, their losses, their lost fishing, their lost beachfront use.

Yep- we're paying now alright.

End our dependence on foreign oil, and offshore oil. Learn to use other materials.

 

[JimmyJoe]

The social perspective I wish to address as well. Cars deprive each of us the interaction that would allow us to communicate more often. If we are on bike or on foot we'll be inclined to talk to each other as we meet, realizing that we are not the enemies that we think we are. Try that in cars. It is the powers that be that like to hold themselves as the social contact that we need, and thru them we communicate, impersonally. Without cars we would soon assimilate and live closer to our jobs. Our families would live closer together and create strong bonds. That is not what government wants. Bicycles are much more healthy modes of transportation too. I've been on this planet for 57 years. I know the enigma wrapped in the mystery. Lets not waste our lives condoning the present energy fuels that we are put in the position to use. If they would allow us to use the renewable energy resources that are available, and they would be so much more available if they were not the quirky resources that they are thought of today, our dependence on oil would be halved. They make oil just cheap enough to make other forms of energy very difficult to easily use. Oh and forget about nuclear fuel. Most of us don't want it. It keeps us on the grid which is precisely what government wants. If we start by removing cars as the only way to get around town, and we use street cars, buses suck, then we will have a chance to move toward gaining a more independent way to live. Don't know if it will happen because we are all carefully taught that the Kardasians are the epitome of lavish living. And we all want to live that way too, or get slammed if you don't. Any way I went to the thrift store today and bought some real nice Docker pants an shorts, 5 Polo shirts, all for 5 dollars each, couple of music cds for 2 dollars each, so if I meet the Kardasians I'll look like I'm as cool as they are. We're all trying to make it. Leave us try.:laugh:

 

[Buster]

Ever heard of something called CEMENT?




.

I'll reply to just one of the many ridiculous counter claims you feebly attempted to have made..

ASPHALT..has a nice sound to it too..Ever hear of it?..it happens to cover 3/4 of the roads and driveways in America dude...

So while you are being ridiculously narrow, let's throw it right back at you..OBAMA..this ALL HAPPENED under OBAMA's watch...Now live with it and get over it!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Buster]

The social perspective I wish to address as well. Cars deprive each of us the interaction that would allow us to communicate more often. If we are on bike or on foot we'll be inclined to talk to each other as we meet, realizing that we are not the enemies that we think we are. Try that in cars. It is the powers that be that like to hold themselves as the social contact that we need, and thru them we communicate, impersonally. Without cars we would soon assimilate and live closer to our jobs. Our families would live closer together and create strong bonds. That is not what government wants. Bicycles are much more healthy modes of transportation too. I've been on this planet for 57 years. I know the enigma wrapped in the mystery. Lets not waste our lives condoning the present energy fuels that we are put in the position to use. If they would allow us to use the renewable energy resources that are available, and they would be so much more available if they were not the quirky resources that they are thought of today, our dependence on oil would be halved. They make oil just cheap enough to make other forms of energy very difficult to easily use. Oh and forget about nuclear fuel. Most of "us" don't want it.

By "US" you mean you and your Socialist neighbors that live on the commune ?..Please stay in your bubble Jimmy, I'd hate to have to run you over on your bike with my HUMMER to put you out of your misery.


keeps us on the grid which is precisely what government wants. If we start by removing cars as the only way to get around town, and we use street cars, buses suck, then we will have a chance to move toward gaining a more independent way to live. Don't know if it will happen because we are all carefully taught that the Kardasians are the epitome of lavish living. And we all want to live that way too, or get slammed if you don't. Any way I went to the thrift store today and bought some real nice Docker pants an shorts, 5 Polo shirts, all for 5 dollars each, couple of music cds for 2 dollars each, so if I meet the Kardasians I'll look like I'm as cool as they are. We're all trying to make it. Leave us try.:laugh:

That's pretty weird Jimmy...I'll think about this one next time I'm peddling my bike from LA to New York..


Let me introduce you to Jim..you two should make beautiful music together:laugh:

 

[James48843]

I'll reply to just one of the many ridiculous counter claims you feebly attempted to have made..

ASPHALT..has a nice sound to it too..Ever hear of it?..it happens to cover 3/4 of the roads and driveways in America dude...

So while you are being ridiculously narrow, let's throw it right back at you..OBAMA..this ALL HAPPENED under OBAMA's watch...Now live with it and get over it!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!

Asphalt- Yep= it does cover 3/4's of the roads and driveways. That's why we can simply recycle a lot of it into new roads and driveways as needed, and use other materials as well in the future to stretch that asphalt out.

Like this: using recycled tires into pavement:
http://rscmakingtracks.com/sub-feature/recycled-tires-get-new-life-as-pavement/

Or using a technique called White Topping, to put cement over the top of existing asphalt.
http://www.cleanaircounts.org/resource package/a book/paving/other pavings/coolpave.htm

Yep- the BP Gulf of Mexico blowout happened during Obama's tenure. Which makes it a good opportunity to make sure nothing like that ever happens again.

Interesting 60 minutes show last night about how that happened, Buster. You might enjoy it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml

I learned one thing from it.

IF there had been a government regulator aboard that rig, and IF they required government approval that the thing was sealed before withdrawing the mud, it never would have happened.

Yep- there are times where action by THE GOVERNMENT is appropriate, because private industry- corporate industry, cannot be trusted to do things safely. Perhaps drilling in public waters is one of those things that needs a whole lot more federal regulation than it has now.

We use the materials in roads, in clothes, in construction, etc. that we do today, because of the choices people have made in the past.

That doesn't mean we have to make those same mistakes over, and over, and over again.

We have choices. We need to choose differently in the future.

 

[KevinD]

I thought Tom closed the political sub-forum.

 

[nnuut]

Drill Baby Drill
We need it until we find an accepatable substitute or else it's down we go!

This is a step forward, at least something worked!!:nuts:

Oil spill response to be assessed on Capitol Hill

By the CNN Wire Staff
May 17, 2010 8:03 a.m. EDT

Oil leak may be slowing


Washington (CNN) -- Almost a month after an oil well ruptured in the Gulf of Mexico, BP says its latest attempt at capping the gushing crude is working, and the Obama administration vows it won't rest until the company cleans up the spill and addresses its impact.
On Monday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and BP America Chairman Lamar McKay will appear before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs to assess the response to what some lawmakers are calling a "catastrophe."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/17/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[Scout333]

Question? What impact on the markets do you think the partial fix will have?
Positive? If so, which funds would be the most affected? C, S, or I

 

[nnuut]

Question? What impact on the markets do you think the partial fix will have?
Positive? If so, which funds would be the most affected? C, S, or I

Probably none I'm afraid. I think they said it would be pumping about 1000 barrels a day. Not enough to stop it but better than nothing. I really don't know how much flow they can get out of that 4" pipe but the broken one is 21"!

 

[Buster]

Heard on the news this morning while eating my oat meal..that the pipe they inserted was to ebb the flow of oil and gas for now...soon they will plug the whole damn thing with concrete and abandon it eventually, once it is all secure.


BTW Norm..is that Elvira in your avatar?....

 

[Buster]

Norm what happened to your Elvira Avatar?

 

[nnuut]

I love Elviria, but that was a test for a Morgana Avatar for a friend!!

 

[XL-entLady]

I missed it!! Norm, you changed your bandaged smilie face avatar for a minute?

 

[nnuut]

I missed it!! Norm, you changed your bandaged smilie face avatar for a minute?

Yes thats one I posted, sometimes they don't work, size over or the KBs. That one worked on the 2nd try!
I think Elviria is better looking!! Hubba Hubba!

 

[JimmyJoe]

That's pretty weird Jimmy...I'll think about this one next time I'm peddling my bike from LA to New York..


Let me introduce you to Jim..you two should make beautiful music together:laugh:

Hummer's are the reason I won't take to the street on my bike. The hummer owners have weird philosophies. It's all me me me, my street. Bored by it. Why don't they make hummer's shell using hemp. Not that would be interesting.