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Look, I wholeheartedly approve of awarding this prize....but I think the interpretation of what encompasses the award is what the ultimate concern is when this one was awarded.

Being elected to be the POTUS is a feat in itself. I respect that. Being a child of a Kenyan and an American and being raised by his grandmother, admirable. Utilizing his skills and talents to get educated farther than most in prestigious schools outstanding. Returning to do work in a social arena and build communities in Chicago ~ outstanding. Become a Senator and then the POTUS ~ makes me speechless.

BUT, I can not fathom after 9 days in office and "inheriting" a global conflict can a person be honestly be a viable candidate for this award which states, according to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize is to go to whoever "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

I believe, in my heart of hearts, that our president has not met the requirements of this belief. I believe that there are other people in the world more deserving. This is not a democrat/republican issue. This is not and American/British/French/Columbian issue. This is not a Christian/Islam/Buddhist issue.

I believe that all people have the power to bring a peace in their lives that will ultimately affect those around them. When that stirs the community which in turn stirs a nation then propagates throughout the world that is the creator of the best change of all: Ultimate Peace!

I hope (and pray) that our leaders, including President Obama can change the world. I want that, I need to believe that I can hope in a world where bleakness is paramount that the smartest and most dedicated will promote global peace without trampling the rights and pursuits of a regular citizen.

I am a regular citizen of the world, and I want my right to agree/disagree. But remember I do it with respect.
 
Frixxxx said:
Look, I wholeheartedly approve of awarding this prize....but I think the interpretation of what encompasses the award is what the ultimate concern is when this one was awarded.

Frixxx - I totally agree with that. Man I had nothing to do with him getting the award --- but if it's based on how the World at Large saw and believed in Obama -- as more of a LEADER who will promote intelligence over stupidity --- negoiations over mindless killing --- PEACE over WAR ----

He very much fit that 'Picture' at the time he was considered.

BUT, I can not fathom after 9 days in office and "inheriting" a global conflict can a person be honestly be a viable candidate for this award which states, according to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize is to go to whoever "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Well here I will differ -- In that it was Far and Above virtually everything else that OBAMA stood out as 'THE ONE' who thought the whole Iraq War was a 'huge mistake' -- that Brutal Aggression is not the Answer --- that if ANY CANDIDATE ~~ at least gave the presentation of striving for Peaceful and Harmonous Relationships with all Nations ---- it was Obama.

PLEASE KNOW -- from my perspective -- essentially everything is POLITICAL BS -- designed and protrayed to 'get elected'

I believe, in my heart of hearts, that our president has not met the requirements of this belief.

And I have absolutely no problem with that --- none at all

But he did win --- so our endeavor should not be to trash him and go on and on about how 'undeserving he is'

I believe that there are other people in the world more deserving.

I whole heartedly agree !!! Wasn't my call.

This is not a democrat/republican issue. This is not and American/British/French/Columbian issue. This is not a Christian/Islam/Buddhist issue.

Priase GOD man !! I'm thrilled you feel that way -- because so many of the posts come down to that very thing....

I believe that all people have the power to bring a peace in their lives that will ultimately affect those around them. When that stirs the community which in turn stirs a nation then propagates throughout the world that is the creator of the best change of all: Ultimate Peace!

You got it man -- and that quote is the POST of the WEEK !!

The only way 'we' can do it -- is taking the role ourself and doing our part to be at peace and live in peace with one another

I hope (and pray) that our leaders, including President Obama can change the world. I want that

Me too Frixxx -- oh my gosh --- you just don't know.

But our Civilization is hugely 'Fractured' and people regard one another as totally insignificant if it takes from their 'security' and 'comfort' ....

The Politicians -- as hugely corrupt as they are -- are forced to rule and live in a Civilization that is in absolutely horrible shape.

, I need to believe that I can hope in a world where bleakness is paramount that the smartest and most dedicated will promote global peace without trampling the rights and pursuits of a regular citizen.

Will include this part too --- in POW ----

Frixxxx -- your heart and life are RIGHT ON COURSE --- but the very best you can do is live your own life accordingly ... and make whatever impact you can on those you live with...

Global Peace is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE with our current conditions; with the way the USA and other Nations interact..

I am a regular citizen of the world, and I want my right to agree/disagree. But remember I do it with respect.
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Well you don't disagree with me at all -- my gosh -- if anything there is probably no one alive that stands more solidly with me.

RIGHT ON MAN --- Share your views ....
 
coolhand said:
War Is Peace. Ignorance Is Strength
by John Pilger

In Afghanistan,

WAR is WAR --- and people get hurt ... that's what it's all about

his agents routinely

His agents are the men and women who have sworn their alligence to the USA and see him as the Commander in Chief.

I don't give a rat's ass who gets hurt or what has to happen ... if 'we' are told to accomplish something -- then short of my own death it will be accomplished. NEVER HAVE I EVER REGRETED ACCOMPLISHING A MISSION --- NEVER

ALWAYS - AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION -- BELIEVED THEY CALLED ON ME BECAUSE THEY KNEW I WOULD DO WHATEVER IT TAKES..PERIOD

secret assassinations and torture continue.

Tough luck f***er and like I say -- I wish I could deal directly with this guy.

Many assassinations have to take place in Secret -- I have absolutly NO PROBLEM with that as long as it's in the line of Duty. As long as the ORDERS come from above....

....never is it my place to question whether the guys at the TOP thought things through... is this 'appropriate' --- this was the Mission and that's all that mattered.
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To me the DETAILS make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE --

The Agents either do their job --- live up to their sworn and sacret duty or they are totally and completely worthless and a total disgrace.
 
Steadygain said:
To me the DETAILS make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE --

The Agents either do their job --- live up to their sworn and sacret duty or they are totally and completely worthless and a total disgrace.
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That's why I said I don't necessarily agree with all his views. It goes to show how people are all over the map on their views. And they all think they're right. (Or left)
 
But I'm not really sure what to believe about this guy. He's a war journalist and has seen a lot of horror up close and personal. I don't competely get the idea that he's anti-military per se, as he did write about the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge, so he understands what absolute power can do unchecked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
 
coolhand said:
But I'm not really sure what to believe about this guy. He's a war journalist and has seen a lot of horror up close and personal. I don't competely get the idea that he's anti-military per se, as he did write about the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge, so he understands what absolute power can do unchecked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger
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Thanks CH :)

I know you didn't mean anything --- but he touched some pretty raw nerves..... whatever... I'm sure quite a few have to know first hand what I'm talking about.

I guess from my own personal perspective 'A true committed Soldier is the highest honor imaginable'

The Play ~~~ including many distinct operations ~~ may have been total BS from an 'outsiders view' -- and in fact 'we' - 'the ones directly involved' may in retrospect may look back with regrets....

but when you're in action ... and you're doing everything possible to serve your Country with Honor and Integrity... the only way you can fail is by not doing everything possible to accomplish the mission.

From my perspective -- if this guy (or anyone else) myself included wants to show the ultra insanity of WAR - then I have no problem with that.

But to make the Agents (committed Soldiers) devoting their lives to the highest degree -- to make them 'Look Bad' .... :mad::mad:
 
Steadygain said:
Thanks CH :)

I know you didn't mean anything --- but he touched some pretty raw nerves..... whatever... I'm sure quite a few have to know first hand what I'm talking about.

I guess from my own personal perspective 'A true committed Soldier is the highest honor imaginable'

The Play ~~~ including many distinct operations ~~ may have been total BS from an 'outsiders view' -- and in fact 'we' - 'the ones directly involved' may in retrospect may look back with regrets....

but when you're in action ... and you're doing everything possible to serve your Country with Honor and Integrity... the only way you can fail is by not doing everything possible to accomplish the mission.

From my perspective -- if this guy (or anyone else) myself included wants to show the ultra insanity of WAR - then I have no problem with that.

But to make the Agents (committed Soldiers) devoting their lives to the highest degree -- to make them 'Look Bad' .... :mad::mad:
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Yes, I agree 100% with you SG. Aside from my being retired military, one of my Uncles was a Tunnel Rat in Nam. He's currently the Commander of Chapter #1 of the Military Order of Purple Heart. I've heard his stories and he shared a lot of news articles and photographs with me. I also had a very close neighbor when I lived in San Diego who was a POW in a Japanese camp. I understand very well how you feel. I'm with you my friend. :)
 
Steadygain said:
Thanks CH :)

I know you didn't mean anything --- but he touched some pretty raw nerves..... whatever... I'm sure quite a few have to know first hand what I'm talking about.

I guess from my own personal perspective 'A true committed Soldier is the highest honor imaginable'

The Play ~~~ including many distinct operations ~~ may have been total BS from an 'outsiders view' -- and in fact 'we' - 'the ones directly involved' may in retrospect may look back with regrets....

but when you're in action ... and you're doing everything possible to serve your Country with Honor and Integrity... the only way you can fail is by not doing everything possible to accomplish the mission.

From my perspective -- if this guy (or anyone else) myself included wants to show the ultra insanity of WAR - then I have no problem with that.

But to make the Agents (committed Soldiers) devoting their lives to the highest degree -- to make them 'Look Bad' .... :mad::mad:
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I know this is getting off topic, but many of you will be interested in this. This is my Uncle's biography. Enjoy the read and Semper Fi!

http://www.ctveterans.org/moph1/pagesbio/Chap1RichardTonucciBio.html
 
coolhand said:
I know this is getting off topic, but many of you will be interested in this. This is my Uncle's biography. Enjoy the read and Semper Fi!

http://www.ctveterans.org/moph1/pagesbio/Chap1RichardTonucciBio.html
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Wow that's BEAUTIFUL !!

Would gladly give my life for this guy -- he could call on me anytime

Nothing could describe what I'm talking about better than that !!

Much appreciated !!! Now I've got a ton of work to do....

this was a very distracting day :embarrest::o:cool::cool:
 
phil said:
I don't have a lot of time, but I'll respond.

So...on the Iran and Korean issues, nothing to offer?

Honduran President Zelaya was legally removed from office after he attempted a coup earlier this summer.

Wow, I never knew of any sitting President to have a coup by plebescite. That's really unique. Then, the Honduran military removed him . Otherwise, democracy would break out, no doubt.
I don't think we can avoid the similarities to the former Soviet Union. Nor, obviously, can you.
On Iraq: Read the reports coming from our own Congress, you don't have to listen to me. Nor should you.

I’m interesting in why you think talking about the 1953 coup is such a good thing. How does that benefit the U.S.?

Whether you're interesting or not, talking to the Iranians is better than not, particularly now. It benefits us in that we bring a balance in engaging Iran. All the Iranians know what we did then, and it still bothers them.


Ah, the WMD presentation at the United Nations! I knew it wouldn’t take long to come out. That’s right, how could I forget. All the principals in the Bush administration conspired and created their own intelligence to hoodwink the entire world, all on live television, at the U.N. no less! Did some of the intelligence eventually prove unreliable and worthless in some cases? You bet it did. But let’s not forget that the vast majority of the U.S. intelligence community agreed with the intelligence presented by the Bush administration.


We Americans still have to carry the fact that we misled the UN. What will the world think next time we have to go there?
Actually, no, the vast majority of the US intelligence community didn't agree. Yes, I do believe that some intelligence was created. People just didn't take a look at the facts of the case, particularly with regard to Iraq and Al-Qaeda. So, why not give the current administration time to examine the facts. The facts seemed to be a bit murky, don't you think? There are groups that seem to have an interest in keeping us engaged in behavior that we shouldn't be in, quite frankly.

Let’s also not forget that every major and reputable intelligence agency around the world agreed with our assessments of Iraq’s WMD.

Again, no, read prior answer. By the way, check the Plame incident during the former administration.

General Marshall was a great American and an appropriate recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. The reference to him speaks directly to the heart of this particular thread, in that the vast majority of the poster do not believe President Obama deserved to be honored.

I guess we can agree on something.


Solving problems by force hasn't really worked well. After spending about a trillion dollars in Iraq, we're finally leaving. Let's give our President a chance to carry out his agenda. I congratulate him on his award.
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So many opportunities, so little time...Nearly every one of your posts is deserving of a reply; yet, my patience wears thin, especially knowing that I'll never convince you of anything different than your own views. I respect that you have your own views. I just hope they are grounded more in reality and are not so dependent on tired and recycled leftist slogans that sound great on a bumper sticker, but don't hold up to closer inspection.


Phil, you know what’s really funny? In an earlier post you retorted that I needed to check the facts on Honduras. You've even mocked my description of the events (see quote above). You seem only to be interested in versions that conform to your point of view. If you care to come down from your lofty perch I would be more than happy to hear your version of events.

For those that are following along, but missed the important points, President Zelaya of Honduras attempted what’s known as a plebescite, more commonly known as a direct vote or referendum, wherein he presumably wanted to extend himself the opportunity to run for election again. Unfortunately for Zelaya, the Honduran constitution prohibits a such action (president setting up a direct vote and the president running for election again) and all of the organs of state in Honduras warned Zelaya not to do what he was attempting, to include their congress and their supreme court. Zelaya was undeterred; he discarded the warnings against his illegal actions and attempted to enlist the Honduran army in his quest to change the constitution by illegal means.

The Honduran government took legal recourse, as provided by their constitution, and removed Zelaya from power, as proscribed in their constitution. In other words, the situation in Honduras would be somewhat analogous to a American president proclaiming that there will be a national, direct vote on whether or not he can do “X, Y and Z,” in direct violation of the U.S. constitution. (There’s ample good reason why we don’t have the direct vote on national issues, lest the rabble be easily roused and our grand republic suffer a mortal blow)

Now, a great many minds thought Zelaya was growing too fond of Chavez and his ilk, and felt that Zelaya’s intentions were Marxist leaning and that Honduras risked going the way of Venezuela, and Cuba. But the rule of law is the rule of law. I find it particularly amusing that you, of all people - one who apparently openly derides the U.S. sticking its nose in other countries business - would applaud an administration that unabashedly does not support the Honduran rule of law; rather, it pines for the Zelaya to be reinstated president! Logic only the Left could embrace.

"Not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more."

I would love to hear a reasoned explanation of why this administration feels so compelled to side with Zelaya. Who knows? Maybe I could learn a thing or two. (Wouldn't be the first time, but certainly the second!)

Your oft-repeated mischaracterizations of intelligence pre-Iraq war demand a response. Tune in this weekend - same bat time, same bat channel.
 
Let's see. The military forces of the Honduras stormed the Presidential palace, put the President on a plane. If he'd broken the law, shouldn't there be some sort of trial?

Also, not a SINGLE country has recognized the current government of Honduras. Maybe the rest of the world's attorneys, and their Foreign Offices might know something about this. No one from OAS, the European Union, the UN or the US has recognized the legitimacy of this military coup.

Please clarify. What do you know more than the rest of the world?

When Richard Nixon abrogated the Constitution, I don't remember our military forces putting him on a plane for some other country. If I'm not mistaken, there was a due process of law. This just doesn't match.

I can hardly wait for the explanation of pre-war intelligence.




OBGibby said:
So many opportunities, so little time...Nearly every one of your posts is deserving of a reply; yet, my patience wears thin, especially knowing that I'll never convince you of anything different than your own views. I respect that you have your own views. I just hope they are grounded more in reality and are not so dependent on tired and recycled leftist slogans that sound great on a bumper sticker, but don't hold up to closer inspection.


Phil, you know what’s really funny? In an earlier post you retorted that I needed to check the facts on Honduras. You've even mocked my description of the events (see quote above). You seem only to be interested in versions that conform to your point of view. If you care to come down from your lofty perch I would be more than happy to hear your version of events.

For those that are following along, but missed the important points, President Zelaya of Honduras attempted what’s known as a plebescite, more commonly known as a direct vote or referendum, wherein he presumably wanted to extend himself the opportunity to run for election again. Unfortunately for Zelaya, the Honduran constitution prohibits a such action (president setting up a direct vote and the president running for election again) and all of the organs of state in Honduras warned Zelaya not to do what he was attempting, to include their congress and their supreme court. Zelaya was undeterred; he discarded the warnings against his illegal actions and attempted to enlist the Honduran army in his quest to change the constitution by illegal means.

The Honduran government took legal recourse, as provided by their constitution, and removed Zelaya from power, as proscribed in their constitution. In other words, the situation in Honduras would be somewhat analogous to a American president proclaiming that there will be a national, direct vote on whether or not he can do “X, Y and Z,” in direct violation of the U.S. constitution. (There’s ample good reason why we don’t have the direct vote on national issues, lest the rabble be easily roused and our grand republic suffer a mortal blow)

Now, a great many minds thought Zelaya was growing too fond of Chavez and his ilk, and felt that Zelaya’s intentions were Marxist leaning and that Honduras risked going the way of Venezuela, and Cuba. But the rule of law is the rule of law. I find it particularly amusing that you, of all people - one who apparently openly derides the U.S. sticking its nose in other countries business - would applaud an administration that unabashedly does not support the Honduran rule of law; rather, it pines for the Zelaya to be reinstated president! Logic only the Left could embrace.

"Not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more."

I would love to hear a reasoned explanation of why this administration feels so compelled to side with Zelaya. Who knows? Maybe I could learn a thing or two. (Wouldn't be the first time, but certainly the second!)

Your oft-repeated mischaracterizations of intelligence pre-Iraq war demand a response. Tune in this weekend - same bat time, same bat channel.
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phil said:
Let's see.

Please clarify. What do you know more than the rest of the world?

I can hardly wait for the explanation of pre-war intelligence.
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Phil, man you're too much of a 'trip' for me....:worried:


I think we're on totally different wavelengths.... different planets or something...

Anyway -- best of luck -- with whatever you're doing

But I'm done --

Have a good weekend !!

Steady
 
Frixxxx said:
I believe that all people have the power to bring a peace in their lives that will ultimately affect those around them. When that stirs the community which in turn stirs a nation then propagates throughout the world that is the creator of the best change of all: Ultimate Peace!

I hope (and pray) that our leaders, including President Obama can change the world. I want that, I need to believe that I can hope in a world where bleakness is paramount that the smartest and most dedicated will promote global peace without trampling the rights and pursuits of a regular citizen.

I am a regular citizen of the world, and I want my right to agree/disagree. But remember I do it with respect.
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POST of the WEEK ---- PART I

Today's is the First Tie ever
 
Steady, you are truly an individual who exhibits grace and mercy. I admire your patience as you endeavor to bring enlightened discourse, even when there is little or no willingness to reciprocate.
Peace dude! :)
 
grandma said:
Thank you So Much for sharing this! I've read just bits about The Magnificent Bastards before - was something you had posted another time? thank you !!
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I don't remember mentioning this before grandma. There's also a book about them, which also mentions my Uncle. Not sure if it's in print though.
 
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