Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

I find the use, misuse and over stretched use of ad hominem to be getting ad nauseam.

Gotta admit using phrases from a dead classical language sur makes me look edumacated:D
 
Well worth reading.

George C. Marshall' Acceptance Speech on the occasion of the award of the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, December 10, 1953.

On 10 December in the university Aula, just as Marshall was accepting the prize from Dr. Hambro, vice-chairman of the committee, some communist journalists interrupted the ceremony, dropping leaflets from the balcony and shouting, "We protest!" King Haakon VII indignantly rose to his feet and led the audience in applause for Marshall. The general turned to Hambro and commented drily that in his own country he was more accustomed to such treatment from the anticommunists.*
 
I think that the "talking" that people did was what brought about our engagement with the rest of the world. We've seen the results of our policy of acting unilaterally around the world. No, I don't confuse the issue. I just don't think unilateralism is the best course for us. That's where realism comes in. I recognize that we don't operate in a vacuum around the world. Bringing the US as an equal amongst nations? I think that was why we helped to create the UN and NATO, to provide some forum for nations to cooperate with each other to resolve problems, not to dictate, but educate.

Sitting snugly? I don't think so. Thanks for the ad hominem.

Finally, it's not about me, but about President Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize. I think it's always a good thing when our president wins international recognition.

Results? Please educate me, as only a longtime academic like the Community Organizer-in-Chief can, of the “results” you speak of. Iran and North Korea – wow, all that “talking” sure has delivered results. All that “talking” about the “sins” of the United States, that sure has shown some positive results around the world. Inviting communist Cuba into the OAS really worked wonders. And what about Fidel’s good time buddy, Hugo? Surely the president’s talking has converted that despot into a friend of freedom. Honduras discards a president seeking an illegal extension of his presidency and President Obama finds it useful to “talk” about the travesty of the ouster (I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried!) Thousands march for freedom in Tehran and what happens? The president’s “talking” goes on mute. Well, not exactly. He did find the time to blame America for Iran’s problems by bringing up U.S. involvement in the 1953 coup (1953!). “Talking” with Russia has sure improved our relations with Eastern Europe. Just ask Poland and the Czech Republic. He did a lot of “talking” about Afghanistan being a ‘war of necessity’ yet can’t seem to find his voice anymore. Seems like the Dem’s political ploy of 2006 to talk down Iraq while championing Afghanistan was just that - talk.

Talk is cheap. Talk without the willingness to back it up is even cheaper. Our friends and foes alike notice these things.

What exactly has resulted in the president’s nine months in office? A European electorate enamored with Barak Obama? That and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee. But in the real currency of the world, it doesn’t amount to squat. Don’t worry – I’m not expecting you to actually write anything – I have better things to do with my time than wait months upon months upon the hope of any “results” miraculously appearing within this thread.

When acting unilaterally means protecting U.S. interests and advancing freedom around the world - count me as an ardent supporter. It still puzzles me as to how ‘unilateral’ became such a pejorative term in the context of national interest. Every country acts unilaterally when it is in their own best interest, and the United States should be no different.

The United Nations, however good the intentions were at its birth, has lost any semblance of credibility. One need look no further than the Oil-for-Food scandal to realize that the U.N. has no credibility. What, exactly, has the United Nations accomplished in its history? It seems much more adept at being able to hamstring the United States than doing the good it was meant to do. It seems much more skillful at jabbing its collective finger in the eye of our country than actually righting any wrongs around the world, all the while the countries/councils/commissions doing the finger pointing feign as if their **** don’t stink. Absurdity that only a liberal could rationalize and then champion.

Abdicating our leadership position is foolhardy, and begs the question: If not us, who?

The danger of retreating from our leadership around the world has dangerous consequences. While its supporters undoubtedly believe it is in the national interest of the United States to do so, it is based on the faulty assumption that the new approach to the world will engender good will from our foes, and even greater cooperation from our friends. That’s a bet that America should NEVER make.
 
And what sort of results did we have from the previous administration, pray tell? From any of these issues?

Let's review: North Korea had nukes during the Bush admininistration, and has them now. The Iran issue is hardly new.

You need to do a fact check on the Honduras situation. It's a little complicated, particularly on the rule of law category.

I think most Americans took a good look around, and realized that we had engaged in far too many foreign adventures (sort of like the former Soviet Union), and had succeeded only in losing trillions of dollars, with little security to show, and an enormous foreign debt. In the end, the Soviets came apart from putting too much money in one basket, it seems.

As for Castro and Hugo: I believe that making faces at them just didn't seem to work well, did it? I mean, we've been doing that for over 50 years now to Cuba. We even tried to INVADE once, which failed horribly.

Taking the time to analyze Afghanistan is really necessary. Look how we all REALLY got snookered into the Iraq war. I'd take some time too. Tell you what, just read the 9/11 report, it's all there. Any idea how much money it cost? Did it hurt, or help, Al-Qaeda?

On Iran: we have intervened inside their country before, in 1953. I think talking about it is probably a good thing. Just like now....

Talking with Russia probably is much better than other options. We've always talked with them. Well and good to rattle sabers, but in the end we always talk and work out some agreement. Trust me, it's probably a better thing.

Protecting US interests: what US interests are we protecting exactly? I probably need to be educated on that. After all, after our invasion of Iraq, oil prices started to go way up, not down. There seemed to be a correlation there between our political willingness to believe anything, and our ability to pay at the pump. Were we really that gullible?

As far as the UN's credibility: I think that after the presentation on WMD in Iraq, I really think that's exactly what they say about us.

I always admired George C. Marshall. He also won the Nobel Prize. You should read his acceptance speech. He was a great General, and a great diplomat.


Results? Please educate me, as only a longtime academic like the Community Ornizer-in-Chief can, of the “results” you speak of. Iran and North Korea – wow, all that “talking” sure has delivered results. All that “talking” about the “sins” of the United States, that sure has shown some positive results around the world. Inviting communist Cuba into the OAS really worked wonders. And what about Fidel’s good time buddy, Hugo? Surely the president’s talking has converted that despot into a friend of freedom. Honduras discards a president seeking an illegal extension of his presidency and President Obama finds it useful to “talk” about the travesty of the ouster (I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried!) Thousands march for freedom in Tehran and what happens? The president’s “talking” goes on mute. Well, not exactly. He did find the time to blame America for Iran’s problems by bringing up U.S. involvement in the 1953 coup (1953!). “Talking” with Russia has sure improved our relations with Eastern Europe. Just ask Poland and the Czech Republic. He did a lot of “talking” about Afghanistan being a ‘war of necessity’ yet can’t seem to find his voice anymore. Seems like the Dem’s political ploy of 2006 to talk down Iraq while championing Afghanistan was just that - talk.

Talk is cheap. Talk without the willingness to back it up is even cheaper. Our friends and foes alike notice these things.

What exactly has resulted in the president’s nine months in office? A European electorate enamored with Barak Obama? That and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee. But in the real currency of the world, it doesn’t amount to squat. Don’t worry – I’m not expecting you to actually write anything – I have better things to do with my time than wait months upon months upon the hope of any “results” miraculously appearing within this thread.

When acting unilaterally means protecting U.S. interests and advancing freedom around the world - count me as an ardent supporter. It still puzzles me as to how ‘unilateral’ became such a pejorative term in the context of national interest. Every country acts unilaterally when it is in their own best interest, and the United States should be no different.

The United Nations, however good the intentions were at its birth, has lost any semblance of credibility. One need look no further than the Oil-for-Food scandal to realize that the U.N. has no credibility. What, exactly, has the United Nations accomplished in its history? It seems much more adept at being able to hamstring the United States than doing the good it was meant to do. It seems much more skillful at jabbing its collective finger in the eye of our country than actually righting any wrongs around the world, all the while the countries/councils/commissions doing the finger pointing feign as if their **** don’t stink. Absurdity that only a liberal could rationalize and then champion.

Abdicating our leadership position is foolhardy, and begs the question: If not us, who?

The danger of retreating from our leadership around the world has dangerous consequences. While its supporters undoubtedly believe it is in the national interest of the United States to do so, it is based on the faulty assumption that the new approach to the world will engender good will from our foes, and even greater cooperation from our friends. That’s a bet that America should NEVER make.
 
Results? Please educate me, as only a longtime academic like the Community Organizer-in-Chief can, of the “results” you speak of... ...... a bet that America should NEVER make.

You have my Nomination and Vote for the Post of the day ! Thank you -
Very well put, very well said!:D
 
And what sort of results did we have from the previous administration, pray tell? From any of these issues?

Let's review: North Korea had nukes during the Bush admininistration, and has them now. The Iran issue is hardly new.

You need to do a fact check on the Honduras situation. It's a little complicated, particularly on the rule of law category.

I think most Americans took a good look around, and realized that we had engaged in far too many foreign adventures (sort of like the former Soviet Union), and had succeeded only in losing trillions of dollars, with little security to show, and an enormous foreign debt. In the end, the Soviets came apart from putting too much money in one basket, it seems.

As for Castro and Hugo: I believe that making faces at them just didn't seem to work well, did it? I mean, we've been doing that for over 50 years now to Cuba. We even tried to INVADE once, which failed horribly.

Taking the time to analyze Afghanistan is really necessary. Look how we all REALLY got snookered into the Iraq war. I'd take some time too. Tell you what, just read the 9/11 report, it's all there. Any idea how much money it cost? Did it hurt, or help, Al-Qaeda?

On Iran: we have intervened inside their country before, in 1953. I think talking about it is probably a good thing. Just like now....

Talking with Russia probably is much better than other options. We've always talked with them. Well and good to rattle sabers, but in the end we always talk and work out some agreement. Trust me, it's probably a better thing.

Protecting US interests: what US interests are we protecting exactly? I probably need to be educated on that. After all, after our invasion of Iraq, oil prices started to go way up, not down. There seemed to be a correlation there between our political willingness to believe anything, and our ability to pay at the pump. Were we really that gullible?

As far as the UN's credibility: I think that after the presentation on WMD in Iraq, I really think that's exactly what they say about us.

I always admired George C. Marshall. He also won the Nobel Prize. You should read his acceptance speech. He was a great General, and a great diplomat.


Change.........has not done a thing..........Nobel Peace Prize! Any questions?:D
 
The wedding I attended over the weekend really did me some good in regards to 'Politicians'.

You see the both the Bride and Groom are up and comming big names in the 'Music World'. The Bride has songs playing on the radio and the Groom's music will also pop up here and there.

Even better was the Lady who got up and sang a song as they were about to be 'wed' as she is firmly established and has been in the limelight for years --- as has another band that played throughout the reception.

THE IMPORTANT THING TO ME - is knowing beyond the 'appearance' are very solid and wonderful people. Yes they 'look different' and from the outsiders perspective many of them would have 'looked strange'. But that's their world -- the world of Music -- and for them it's everything. Yet for anyone like me -- who knows them deeply and their families --- they are as Solid and Real and Wonderful as anyone you could ever find anywhere.

SO - Maybe I need to soften my view of Politicians -- and recognize that deep down BEYOND the Appearance --- they are genuinely 'good people at heart'.

So Mr. President (said with the utmost level of respect and honor) I not only congratulate you for winning the Nobel Peace Prize -- but all the more I admire the humbleness by which you accepted it.
 
Still waiting on those results, Phil. I'll settle for one. Just one measley result. Wait, wait, don't tell me! I'm predicting a result now. But we'll have to wait a little longer for this result to come to fruition. We'll have to wait until the tuesday after the first monday of November 2010. The result will be a humiliating loss for the President's agenda at the polls. Now, that's change I can believe in!
 
Here it is. We finally have a President who can't be led around by the nose on world issues. I'm waiting on the healthcare issue, like everyone. Unfortunately he's faced with opposition from inside and outside. But I think things are going much much better now. Cutting out a lot of completely unnecessary spending is only the start, of course. He's got 3 1/2 years to complete it.

Of course, I'm sure he's coming up with a smarter answer than invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Whew! Cutting out a lot of nuclear weapons is also a good thing.

Did you not read the post? Not willing (or able) to respond?


And what sort of results did we have from the previous administration, pray tell? From any of these issues?

Let's review: North Korea had nukes during the Bush admininistration, and has them now. The Iran issue is hardly new.

You need to do a fact check on the Honduras situation. It's a little complicated, particularly on the rule of law category.

I think most Americans took a good look around, and realized that we had engaged in far too many foreign adventures (sort of like the former Soviet Union), and had succeeded only in losing trillions of dollars, with little security to show, and an enormous foreign debt. In the end, the Soviets came apart from putting too much money in one basket, it seems.

As for Castro and Hugo: I believe that making faces at them just didn't seem to work well, did it? I mean, we've been doing that for over 50 years now to Cuba. We even tried to INVADE once, which failed horribly.

Taking the time to analyze Afghanistan is really necessary. Look how we all REALLY got snookered into the Iraq war. I'd take some time too. Tell you what, just read the 9/11 report, it's all there. Any idea how much money it cost? Did it hurt, or help, Al-Qaeda?

On Iran: we have intervened inside their country before, in 1953. I think talking about it is probably a good thing. Just like now....

Talking with Russia probably is much better than other options. We've always talked with them. Well and good to rattle sabers, but in the end we always talk and work out some agreement. Trust me, it's probably a better thing.

Protecting US interests: what US interests are we protecting exactly? I probably need to be educated on that. After all, after our invasion of Iraq, oil prices started to go way up, not down. There seemed to be a correlation there between our political willingness to believe anything, and our ability to pay at the pump. Were we really that gullible?

As far as the UN's credibility: I think that after the presentation on WMD in Iraq, I really think that's exactly what they say about us.

I always admired George C. Marshall. He also won the Nobel Prize. You should read his acceptance speech. He was a great General, and a great diplomat.
 
We finally have a President who can't be led around by the nose on world issues.

Geopolitics demands concessions of any President. Agendas are rampant and the President's hand can be pressured or forced in the face of geopolitical reality. There are many things the public will never fully know or understand when it comes to foreign policy. At least not real time.
 
And a strong president won't let his hand be forced. He's in charge. Many things the public won't know/understand? If that's the case, then maybe it's time for another Church committee.

Hiding warts doesn't work too well. Examining the intelligence that led up to the war in Iraq will show us where the mistakes are and let us know who made them.


Geopolitics demands concessions of any President. Agendas are rampant and the President's hand can be pressured or forced in the face of geopolitical reality. There are many things the public will never fully know or understand when it comes to foreign policy. At least not real time.
 
And a strong president won't let his hand be forced. He's in charge. Many things the public won't know/understand? If that's the case, then maybe it's time for another Church committee.

Hiding warts doesn't work too well. Examining the intelligence that led up to the war in Iraq will show us where the mistakes are and let us know who made them.

Did not George Tenent provide adequate intelligence? :D
 
And a strong president won't let his hand be forced. He's in charge.

Well shoot !!

I hate to end the day on this kind of note :o:(

A strong president is largely a political display of power -- generated to appease the overall population.

In all probability - and the overwhelming liklihood - is that the president is a pupet to the industries and companies in Power and more over and especially to the Small Group that Controls the Powerful Nations in charge. This group is 'unknown to us'

The USA has likely completely changed from what the Founding Fathers had hoped for --- into something the Powerful Industries Control and all the more China now essentially owns. We have largely been reduced to a Nation that feds on the 'greed' of others...

But the Sun comes up tomorrow and we can count on the Bigger and More Sustainable Things beyond our control to continue providing the more essentials for our existence.
 
I guess you'll need to read his book, Center of the Storm, to find out. I have a copy. I assume you do mean Mr. Tenet? Mr. Tenet gave his resignation in June 2004 for "personal reasons".

Also, for further reading, try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

I think that will tell you from where information to decision makers was being stovepiped. Do read the Inspector General's report in there.

Did you follow any of this on the news? I thought everyone knew.

Anyway, glad to educate.:D

This is all about President Obama's award, not about what went so horribly wrong. If you want to do that, just look back at Gulf of Tonkin, where we became involved in another war based on faulty information.

Did not George Tenent provide adequate intelligence? :D
 
Hey, If I quote a story based off of chalk scriblings from a semi-retired poli-sci professor while drinking coffee at Starbucks, can I post that too?!?!:mad:
 
Sure. Knock yourself out. Maybe you could just check the story from any number of sources, including Tenet's book, or look up the names in the article. Some of those people also wrote books.

The best one was probably written by Scott McClellan, the former spokesman for the administration. He only had the public side of the issue, but hey, that's up to you. Try Richard Clarke's book, or listen to his testimony. He served for 30 years.

You could also look at the foreign press, but that might be a bit much. After Abu Ghraib many of them became highly sceptical.

What makes you angry?:confused:

I'm just glad the President won a Nobel Prize. Back on topic.

Hey, If I quote a story based off of chalk scriblings from a semi-retired poli-sci professor while drinking coffee at Starbucks, can I post that too?!?!:mad:
 
Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize (Part 1)

Nobel Geopolitics
October 12, 2009 | 1908 GMT

By George Friedman

U.S. President Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize last week. Alfred Nobel, the inventor of dynamite, established the prize, which was to be awarded to the person who has accomplished “the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the promotion of peace congresses.” The mechanism for awarding the peace prize is very different from the other Nobel categories. Academic bodies, such as the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, decide who wins the other prizes. Alfred Nobel’s will stated, however, that a committee of five selected by the Norwegian legislature, or Storting, should award the peace prize.

The committee that awarded the peace prize to Obama consists of chairman Thorbjorn Jagland, president of the Storting and former Labor Party prime minister and foreign minister of Norway; Kaci Kullmann Five, a former member of the Storting and president of the Conservative Party; Sissel Marie Ronbeck, a former Social Democratic member of the Storting; Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, a former member of the Storting and current senior adviser to the Progress Party; and Agot Valle, a current member of the Storting and spokeswoman on foreign affairs for the Socialist Left Party.

The peace prize committee is therefore a committee of politicians, some present members of parliament, some former members of parliament. Three come from the left (Jagland, Ronbeck and Valle). Two come from the right (Kullman and Ytterhorn). It is reasonable to say that the peace prize committee faithfully reproduces the full spectrum of Norwegian politics.

A Frequently Startling Prize

Prize recipients frequently have proved startling. For example, the first U.S. president to receive the prize was Theodore Roosevelt, who received it in 1906 for helping negotiate peace between Japan and Russia. Roosevelt genuinely sought peace, but ultimately because of American fears that an unbridled Japan would threaten U.S. interests in the Pacific. He sought peace to ensure that Japan would not eliminate Russian power in the Pacific and not hold Port Arthur or any of the other prizes of the Russo-Japanese War. To achieve this peace, he implied that the United States might intervene against Japan.

In brokering negotiations to try to block Japan from exploiting its victory over the Russians, Roosevelt was engaged in pure power politics. The Japanese were in fact quite bitter at the American intervention. (For their part, the Russians were preoccupied with domestic unrest.) But a treaty emerged from the talks, and peace prevailed. Though preserving a balance of power in the Pacific motivated Roosevelt, the Nobel committee didn’t seem to care. And given that Alfred Nobel didn’t provide much guidance about his intentions for the prize, choosing Roosevelt was as reasonable as the choices for most Nobel Peace Prizes.

In recent years, the awards have gone to political dissidents the committee approved of, such as the Dalai Lama and Lech Walesa, or people supporting causes it agreed with, such as Al Gore. Others were peacemakers in the Theodore Roosevelt mode, such as Le Duc Tho and Henry Kissinger for working toward peace in Vietnam and Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin for moving toward peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Two things must be remembered about the Nobel Peace Prize. The first is that Nobel was never clear about his intentions for it. The second is his decision to have it awarded by politicians from — and we hope the Norwegians will accept our advance apologies — a marginal country relative to the international system. This is not meant as a criticism of Norway, a country we have enjoyed in the past, but the Norwegians sometimes have an idiosyncratic way of viewing the world.

Therefore, the award to Obama was neither more or less odd than some of the previous awards made by five Norwegian politicians no one outside of Norway had ever heard of. But his win does give us an opportunity to consider an important question, namely, why Europeans generally think so highly of Obama.

Obama and the Europeans

Let’s begin by being careful with the term European. Eastern Europeans and Russians — all Europeans — do not think very highly of him. The British are reserved on the subject. But on the whole, other Europeans west of the former Soviet satellites and south and east of the English Channel think extremely well of him, and the Norwegians are reflecting this admiration. It is important to understand why they do.

The Europeans experienced catastrophes during the 20th century. Two world wars slaughtered generations of Europeans and shattered Europe’s economy. Just after the war, much of Europe maintained standards of living not far above that of the Third World. In a sense, Europe lost everything — millions of lives, empires, even sovereignty as the United States and the Soviet Union occupied and competed in Europe. The catastrophe of the 20th century defines Europe, and what the Europeans want to get away from.

The Cold War gave Europe the opportunity to recover economically, but only in the context of occupation and the threat of war between the Soviets and Americans. A half century of Soviet occupation seared Eastern European souls. During that time, the rest of Europe lived in a paradox of growing prosperity and the apparent imminence of another war. The Europeans were not in control of whether the war would come, or where or how it would be fought. There are therefore two Europes. One, the Europe that was first occupied by Nazi Germany and then by the Soviet Union still lives in the shadow of the dual catastrophes. The other, larger Europe, lives in the shadow of the United States.

Between 1945 and 1991, Western Europe lived in a confrontation with the Soviets. The Europeans lived in dread of Soviet occupation, and though tempted, never capitulated to the Soviets. That meant that the Europeans were forced to depend on the United States for their defense and economic stability, and were therefore subject to America’s will. How the Americans and Russians viewed each other would determine whether war would break out, not what the Europeans thought.

Every aggressive action by the United States, however trivial, was magnified a hundredfold in European minds, as they considered fearfully how the Soviets would respond. In fact, the Americans were much more restrained during the Cold War than Europeans at the time thought. Looking back, the U.S. position in Europe itself was quite passive. But the European terror was that some action in the rest of the world — Cuba, the Middle East, Vietnam — would cause the Soviets to respond in Europe, costing them everything they had built up.

In the European mind, the Americans prior to 1945 were liberators. After 1945 they were protectors, but protectors who could not be trusted to avoid triggering another war through recklessness or carelessness. The theme dominating European thinking about the United States was that the Americans were too immature, too mercurial and too powerful to really be trusted. From an American point of view, these were the same Europeans who engaged in unparalleled savagery between 1914 and 1945 all on their own, and the period after 1945 — when the Americans dominated Europe — was far more peaceful and prosperous than the previous period. But the European conviction that the Europeans were the sophisticated statesmen and prudent calculators while the Americans were unsophisticated and imprudent did not require an empirical basis. It was built on another reality, which was that Europe had lost everything, including real control over its fate, and that trusting its protector to be cautious was difficult.

The Europeans loathed many presidents, e.g., Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan. Jimmy Carter was not respected. Two were liked: John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Kennedy relieved them of the burden of Dwight D. Eisenhower and his dour Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, who was deeply distrusted. Clinton was liked for interesting reasons, and understanding this requires examining the post-Cold War era.

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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize (Part 2)

The United States and Europe After the Cold War

The year 1991 marked the end of the Cold War. For the first time since 1914, Europeans were prosperous, secure and recovering their sovereignty. The United States wanted little from the Europeans, something that delighted the Europeans. It was a rare historical moment in which the alliance existed in some institutional sense, but not in any major active form. The Balkans had to be dealt with, but those were the Balkans — not an area of major concern.

Europe could finally relax. Another world war would not erase its prosperity, and they were free from active American domination. They could shape their institutions, and they would. It was the perfect time for them, one they thought would last forever.

For the United States, 9/11 changed all that. The Europeans had deep sympathy for the United States post-Sept. 11, sympathy that was on the whole genuine. But the Europeans also believed that former U.S. President George W. Bush had overreacted to the attacks, threatening to unleash a reign of terror on them, engaging in unnecessary wars and above all not consulting them. The last claim was not altogether true: Bush frequently consulted the Europeans, but they frequently said no to his administration’s requests. The Europeans were appalled that Bush continued his policies in spite of their objections; they felt they were being dragged back into a Cold War-type situation for trivial reasons.

The Cold War revolved around Soviet domination of Europe. In the end, whatever the risks, the Cold War was worth the risk and the pain of U.S. domination. But to Europeans, the jihadist threat simply didn’t require the effort the United States was prepared to put into it. The United States seemed unsophisticated and reckless, like cowboys.

The older European view of the United States re-emerged, as did the old fear. Throughout the Cold War, the European fear was that a U.S. miscalculation would drag the Europeans into another catastrophic war. Bush’s approach to the jihadist war terrified them and deepened their resentment. Their hard-earned prosperity was in jeopardy again because of the Americans, this time for what the Europeans saw as an insufficient reason. The Americans were once again seen as overreacting, Europe’s greatest Cold War-era dread.

For Europe, prosperity had become an end in itself. It is ironic that the Europeans regard the Americans as obsessed with money when it is the Europeans who put economic considerations over all other things. But the Europeans mean something different when they talk about money. For the Europeans, money isn’t about piling it higher and higher. Instead, money is about security. Their economic goal is not to become wealthy but to be comfortable. Today’s Europeans value economic comfort above all other considerations. After Sept. 11, the United States seemed willing to take chances with the Europeans’ comfortable economic condition that the Europeans themselves didn’t want to take. They loathed George W. Bush for doing so.

Conversely, they love Obama because he took office promising to consult with them. They understood this promise in two ways. One was that in consulting the Europeans, Obama would give them veto power. Second, they understood him as being a president like Kennedy, namely, as one unwilling to take imprudent risks. How they remember Kennedy that way given the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the coup against Diem in Vietnam is hard to fathom, but of course, many Americans remember him the same way. The Europeans compare Obama to an imaginary Kennedy, but what they really think is that he is another Clinton.

Clinton was Clinton because of the times he lived in and not because of his nature: The collapse of the Soviet Union created a peaceful interregnum in which Clinton didn’t need to make demands on Europe’s comfortable prosperity. George W. Bush lived in a different world, and that caused him to resume taking risks and making demands.

Obama does not live in the 1990s. He is facing Afghanistan, Iran and a range of other crises up to and including a rising Russia that looks uncannily similar to the old Soviet Union. It is difficult to imagine how he can face these risks without taking actions that will be counter to the European wish to be allowed to remain comfortable, and worse, without ignoring the European desire to avoid what they will see as unreasonable U.S. demands. In fact, U.S.-German relations already are not particularly good on Obama’s watch. Obama has asked for troops in Afghanistan and been turned down, and has continued to call for NATO expansion, which the Germans don’t want.

The Norwegian politicians gave their prize to Obama because they believed that he would leave Europeans in their comfortable prosperity without making unreasonable demands. That is their definition of peace, and Obama seemed to promise that. The Norwegians on the prize committee seem unaware of the course U.S.-German relations have taken, or of Afghanistan and Iran. Alternatively, perhaps they believe Obama can navigate those waters without resorting to war. In that case, it is difficult to imagine what they make of the recent talks with Iran or planning on Afghanistan.

The Norwegians awarded the Nobel Peace Prize to the president of their dreams, not the president who is dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. Obama is not a free actor. He is trapped by the reality he has found himself in, and that reality will push him far away from the Norwegian fantasy. In the end, the United States is the United States — and that is Europe’s nightmare, because the United States is not obsessed with maintaining Europe’s comfortable prosperity. The United States cannot afford to be, and in the end, neither can President Obama, Nobel Peace Prize or not.

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