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Medical marijuana becoming blockbuster drug
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Annual sales near $2 billion and rising in states with tolerant laws

Medical marijuana is now a $1.7 billion market, according to a report released Wednesday by See Change Strategy, an independent financial analysis firm that specializes in new and unique markets. The figure represents estimated sales of marijuana through dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws. It is the first time a definitive dollar figure has been given to the emerging medical cannabis industry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42237531/ns/business-small_business
 
I would like to see the costs associated with the health issues of smoking it (short and long term), damage to property (think what it takes to make a hydro grow in a house) and collateral criminal activity that is associated with marijuana abuse (proven in numerous studies). I would be that the profit vs costs about break even...then you have to weight the societal impact.

If it can be proven that we could become debt free as a country (society) by legalizing, regulating and taxing marijuana with a control on it's use (I don't see how) similar to that of alcohol, then I am all for it. Until that is proven, the risks are too great.
 
Mcqlives said:
If it can be proven that we could become debt free as a country (society) by legalizing, regulating and taxing marijuana with a control on it's use (I don't see how) similar to that of alcohol, then I am all for it. Until that is proven, the risks are too great.
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I think you are over thinking this..give it a chance....it has already been proven by the $1.7 Billion + revenue it's generating in the very FEW States that have adopted tolerance...I hear what you're saying..but as you eluded too..time and results (profits) will be the test of this...to be good or bad..as far as social problems within the majority that will use vs abuse..You have not been out in the real world..people don't commit crazy crimes while high on Pot compared to people blitzed on booze...Once it is legal the illegal element is removed or minimized....i.e., drug cartels and their likes.
 
Buster said:
..people don't commit crazy crimes while high on Pot compared to people blitzed on booze...Once it is legal the illegal element is removed or minimized....i.e., drug cartels and their likes.
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I am not talking about the crazy crimes that get you a federal sentence, just the small stuff that adds up as a cost (theft, burglary, property damage, etc). All you have to do to see this is look at the progressive European countries that have allowed marijuana use for the past decades. As for the illegal element, that will simply be a matter of perspective. In the past we have looked a the Mexican cartels being responsible for most of the weed in the county. Right now we still look at Mexico but large growers in legal states are exporting their product all of the US, regardless of if it is legal where they are sending it. If the whole country legalizes it we won't have drug cartels, we will have corporate farms. At that point I'm sure that the Canadians will look at us like we have looked at Mexico (at least in regards to marijuana.)

I like the discussion!
 
ArchAngel said:
It just moved out of committee in Washington. Looks like it may pass.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/03/24/1597505/bill-to-license-pot-dispensaries.html
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I do want to see how this will work if it becomes law. One of my big gripes about medical marijuana is how to quantify it. Any other drug has a regulated amount (mg strength for example). How do you grow a plant and say that the product has "x" amount of THC? If it is the active drugs in the plant people need/want there are marijuana pills (even inhalers) available that have quantifiable amounts of THC. Makes me think that the people that want marijuana legalized just want to smoke it and not get in trouble.

Even that is fine with me, just don't say it is for medical purposes when you are putting smoke in your lungs and don't make all of us pay for your medical expenses (Schitzo drugs are really expensive, I hear!).
 
Mcqlives said:
I am not talking about the crazy crimes that get you a federal sentence, just the small stuff that adds up as a cost (theft, burglary, property damage, etc). All you have to do to see this is look at the progressive European countries that have allowed marijuana use for the past decades.
I like the discussion!
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I see what you mean...but ..the petty crimes because of Pot..will IMO, be no more than we see now with all other walks of life here..and Europe only has a few places where pot is totally legal..(Amsterdam)..and they are not really seeing nothing over the normal societal crimes of just plain living together..I will say that if the US as a whole adopts a legal environment for medical and casual use of Pot..we could see our society basically just mellow out and just not worry about foreign issues like we do today..just my Opinion.

But lets try the Revenue challenge first and at least see if it will offset your wages being frozen or furloughs to GOV workers/ SS/Medicare/Welfare/healthcare..stuff like that that is eating up the GOVt fiscal budget...anything to get us out of debt..


yes, good discussion..:)
 
Buster said:
I..I will say that if the US as a whole adopts a legal environment for medical and casual use of Pot..we could see our society basically just mellow out and just not worry about foreign issues like we do today..
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If everyone is so mellow, who's working?:D

If there are people working but weed is legal, do you want to fly on a plane that was put together by people when they are high? If you say that those people wouldn't be allowed to get high while working then we are back to measurements...how long before work would they be allowed to toke; what would the testing be; what would an allowable level of THC be in the urine for drug testing; etc.
 
Mcqlives said:
If everyone is so mellow, who's working?:D

If there are people working but weed is legal, do you want to fly on a plane that was put together by people when they are high? If you say that those people wouldn't be allowed to get high while working then we are back to measurements...how long before work would they be allowed to toke; what would the testing be; what would an allowable level of THC be in the urine for drug testing; etc.
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Although you seem to half understand that the legalization of Pot could be a financial boom for the country..you somewhat jokingly are still diverging into the stereo-typing misconceptions that some people with misinformation dwell on..Let me say it plainly...No one becomes a lazy bum because they partake in after work or weekend of pot partying...In fact, the day after, most people function at a better level of production than anyone that was out all night boozing it up...Pot is a demotivator?...another urban myth..While high maybe..but nobody that is somebody with a job and or family is going to get high 24/7...can't physically happen....Is pot the evil gateway drug to harder drugs like..dare I say, Heroin or coke or meth?..Hell no!..those that succumb to addictive drugs are predisposed to anyways and would classify coffee as a gateway drug to Crank, etc.....Should people get high while working or about to go to work or school or drive?..Hell no!....Most normal responsible people don't drink before going to work..same difference would apply for personal responsibility with pot...I know people of high social stature that have gone through a complete career and retired completely successful at everything they did and still found time for recreational pot smoking...So don't let preconceived, cliche' worn out notions of ill informed people and media fill your head that pot is evil..Reefer Madness tried that a long time ago...

But since we are talking about 21st century life styles now...I think and firmly believe quality control will never be an issue or a concern...My God!..They clone sheep and cows now right and left with consistent results of high standards..I'm sure a few good herbalists have figured out how to consistently grow high quality strains of the wild-wood weed..
 
America STOP the illagel drugs and cure the the Mexican Drug Cartel Problem, it would just die, it's as simple as that. hippy.gif
 
nnuut said:
America STOP the illagel drugs and cure the the Mexican Drug Cartel Problem, it would just die, it's as simple as that. View attachment 10808
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Sorry Norm..I disagree..Define illegal drugs....If pot were to be legal or decriminalized or de-demonized..the courts and jails could spend their resources on more serious crimes and have more room in jail for the real scum to stay locked up and not let loose on society because of overcrowding because of people incarcerated for a few bags of pot in their possession..

Going with what you say..lets stop everything, and not just that, that isn't in your generation's scope of acceptance..

like: Alcohol, Cigarettes/tobacco, caffeine, etc...
 
Afishegg said:
Were all gonna wish we had some marijuana to smoke in about a year or 2 from now, when our economy is collapsed and all financial hell has broken loose.
It's coming, oh! it's coming!

just a scenario that could happen here soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8gJSMoOJc&feature=pyv&ad=6050032234&kw=peter schiff
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What you talking about Willis?
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Buster said:
Sorry Norm..I disagree..Define illegal drugs....If pot were to be legal or decriminalized or de-demonized..the courts and jails could spend their resources on more serious crimes and have more room in jail for the real scum to stay locked up and not let loose on society because of overcrowding because of people incarcerated for a few bags of pot in their possession..

Going with what you say..lets stop everything, and not just that, that isn't in your generation's scope of acceptance..

like: Alcohol, Cigarettes/tobacco, caffeine, etc...
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I agree with that but do you have any idea how much those ass***** across the border are making on our habits? Killing folks, beheading, and moving their operations to the USA with their Gangs. This needs to be stopped, I like a dubie as much as anyone but this price is way too high!JMHO:suspicious:
 
Cartels aren't just selling weed. No mark-up in it anymore. Now they are more into meth, heroin and cocaine. So using the "no more drug crime" argument won't help the cause.

This is an interesting subject. Spouse and I got into one of the few real fights of our 3 plus decades of marriage when I brought up the subject of medical legalization to my former undercover law enforcement hubby. Serious divergence in outlook there! LOL
 
nnuut said:
I agree with that but do you have any idea how much those ass***** across the border are making on our habits? Killing folks, beheading, and moving their operations to the USA with their Gangs. This needs to be stopped, I like a dubie as much as anyone but this price is way too high!JMHO:suspicious:
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Now this is where you and I totally agree...Once we legalize at least Pot..then it take the illegals and Drug cartels out of the equation..Granted, they will still push their other trash on our society..and that is what needs to be stopped...but to single out Pot and lump it in with all the other bad man-made drugs is like calling all Muslims terrorists.
 
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