Luv2Read's Account Talk

Well before I head home:

Thanks for disagreements without residual effects; for being able to express ourselves openly and honestly; and for enjoying the whole process.

Have a great weekend and honestly I hope the storms didn't do any damage. Say hi to Mom for me.

Oh I just remembered: I did the first maintainence with my mower recently. Sharpened the blades and scraped out under the mowing deck.
 
ours is due for that this weekend, will be checked out and I'll let you know what needs doing. Have a blessed weekend Steady.
 
Hi L2R,
Just a drive-by to tell you I haven't seen your posts for a while and I'm missing your witty intelligence and insightful comments. Hope everything is okay with you and yours,
Lady
 
Thank you my friends, I miss our lively discussions. To all who frequent NASA1974's home, if you read his post #176 you will understand why I have taken a break from the MB - my sentiments exactly. Thank you for visiting my home, feel free to discuss and post and have fun in this POLITICS-FREE ZONE.

See you in late November - hopefully a mellower and more profitable time.
 
Thanks for the post-by....Great to hear you are ok...Miss you terribly. My brain is melting without you. I need more substance!!!!:laugh:

Take care and See ya in November!:cool:
 
Thank you my friends, I miss our lively discussions.

See you in late November - hopefully a mellower and more profitable time.

Luv2read,
I understand - but I am SOOO relieved you're still around and look forward to the end of November.

I've missed you a lot :(
 
Luv2read,
I've been writting a story for my daugter's 16th birthday (next week) and included many 'GEMS' on this MB. You are the last GEM before the crowd enters the dimension that stands on the border of heaven and this is where the story ultimately has its ending. Should you happen to return - I'm just now beginning to capture your character and put it on display.

We've missed you.
 
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Thanks everyone! Gosh, haven't they figured out the simple solution for that $700B yet? Why rescue the banks AND create a separate stimulus package when it can all be done with one step? Pay off EVERY mortgage, good and bad. Make sure the homeowners get full title and the banks don't keep the paper to flip yet again. Bad paper is out of circulation. Gee, suddenly I'm out of debt, with money to spend! Do I need a one-time $600 "stimulus" check? No! I now have $600 PER MONTH discretionary dollars to pump into the economy, to save, for my kids' education, whatever.

The flaw in THEIR plan to buy the bad paper is that it still allows the banks to keep the actual properties, foreclose and throw people out of their homes, then flip the houses later for additional profit a la RTC of the 80's. This is because the government doesn't want to be in the real estate business again...so it will buy the paper, but not take the properties. Wait...no! Bad idea! The bankers keep the money, pay dividends and bonuses. Instead, we're going to buy stock in the banks!

Wait...no! Maybeh annuder bad idea! Oh geez...I teh trezurer dun knowz wut to dooz wit all dese dollerz!
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I knoes! I ax mah gud fren Ben!
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Ben sez uh oh..teh Congrus iz axin queshuns
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cause teh taxpaerz iz gettin angry (where iz all teh moniez we alredy givz uz fer Freddie n Fannie n carz makerz n bankerz?)
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meh...too late...teh bankerz alredy haz teh dollerz an iz not givin dem bak
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L2R, Welcome Back,

Yes the bailout is not working and if you catch the news this morning, it sounds like they are putting the brakes on the last half of the money. Apparently, The banks are doing exactly what you said: Holding on to the cash. I think they are going to shuffle it around so they can show their bottom line is not so deep. I hope they do something illegal with it so we can have a new set of charges to levy against these crooks!!!!

Anyway, gotta run.


GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK!!!!!!!:nuts:
 
Well said L2R. When the bailout was announced, I was screaming that they were lying. Years from now, we will find out why they bailed out AIG. My guess is because of GS being a counter party to AIG.
 
I came across this article in April BEFORE IFT limits went into effect and FRTIB was using number of trades and fees for trades by investment companies as partial justification for the change in TSP policy. These companies were actually going in the OPPOSITE direction...more trades, and for free. With FRTIB having realized their mistake and TSP consequently going down the tubes, and now considering ANOTHER change to IFT's as a result - increasing the number allowed but charging a fee...I thought it was time to re-post this article. It's too long for 1 post so this is PART 1. Here's the link for the whole thing.

http://www.indexuniverse.com/sectio...o-commission-etf-trading-proving-popular.html

PART I
The Long Road: No-Commission ETFs Gaining Ground Written by Murray Coleman Friday, 04 April 2008 22:11
The old adage that exchange-traded funds aren't wise investments if you're dollar-cost averaging or making small purchases just isn't true anymore. In the past year and a half, at least three major brokerages have started offering no-commission trades. That basically shoots down the biggest rap on ETFs over index mutual funds. So how is the advent of no-commission ETFs panning out? Pretty impressively, so far, at least. Let's take a look at where the ETF pricing revolution has come in the past year.

From The Start
Wells Fargo Investments began offering 50 free ETF trades a year per account in June 2005. That plan also included stocks and the old dogs on the block, traditional mutual funds. The only catch was that you had to have at least $250,000 with the bank to qualify. Even with such a high minimum, the response was strong enough that last February Wells Fargo decided to expand its free-pricing platform. It lowered the minimums to $25,000 and bumped up the number of free trades to 100. And let's emphasize that's per account. So if you've got an IRA, you get 100 free trades. If you've got a taxable account, that's worth another 100 free trades per year. For example, I've got a rollover IRA, a Roth IRA and a traditional IRA along with a taxable account through the brokerage's free-trading program. In theory, I could make 400 free trades a year ... something that's unlikely to ever happen. And unlike its other major rival, Bank of America, the Wells Fargo offer doesn't require you to leave a certain amount in a low-interest savings or checking account. You're forced to open what's called a PMA (Portfolio Management Account). It's basically a souped-up checking account without any minimums unto itself. The PMA checking account serves as a link to the brokerage side of the business. Any combination of investment dollars and/or PMA deposits on the books is good enough to qualify for free trades.
But there are similarities. Both Bank of America and Wells Fargo demand at least $25,000 upfront to qualify for free-trading. And each throws in access to a wide range of other free banking as well as brokerage services. Still, those common traits at least in my mind are trumped by Wells Fargo's more flexible requirements on what you can do with that initial $25,000 to open an account, (i.e., you don't have to keep at least that much in a relatively low-yielding deposit account at all times).

Free Trading Spills Into Other Areas
In the little over a year that Wells Fargo has been providing free trades, it says business is booming. "We saw a 42% increase in the fourth quarter of 2007 over the same period the previous year in number of accounts. And assets linked to the PMA accounts went up 34%," said Jeff Cornman, a Wells Fargo vice president. "That's really telling the story that our new pricing resonated with the public. They've really brought in a lot of new assets," he added. With so many new accounts opening, "a large percentage of the asset growth is coming from new clients," Cornman said. And he stresses that the current pricing will remain permanent. "We rolled out free-trade pricing on a limited basis two and a half years ago. So we really took that time to study the type of business this generates. Based on those results, we felt very confident in moving forward by expanding the program."

Promises, Promises, Promises
Well, anyone who has jumped on these discount trading platforms in the past has probably heard the same sort of promises before. This time, some positive signs are on the horizon that these new free-trading offers might stick. For one, Wells Fargo says it's aiming for its investments side to contribute a quarter of the company's total earnings in the future. In 2007, brokerage and related activities represented about 16% of the company's earnings.
"Wells Fargo is committed to the investments business. It's a core part of the bank's overall strategy. And we see this pricing program as key to building long-term relationships with clients," Cornman said. In other words, the bank wants more investors who can use Wells Fargo for their credit cards, home loans and investment purchases. Along those lines, Wells Fargo says it's seeing a healthy increase in deposits into the banking side of the business. "Those same clients who brought in brokerage assets also increased their overall relationships in other types of accounts with the bank," Cornman said. "They're also putting money into CDs, checking accounts and savings accounts."

Bank Of America Enters Fray
Even though this is a column, I still don't want to open myself to complaints of favoritism. For the record, I also bank at Bank of America. My main reason for going with Wells Fargo had to do with meeting account minimums.
But I also feel that no matter how big of a nest egg is involved, the idea of making investors leave $25,000 on the table in a checking or savings account seems rather half-baked. The other problem I've got with the Bank of America offer is that it doesn't let you include any of your mortgages in the equation. Wells Fargo does, although it's a somewhat meager percentage. Bank of America started offering free trading in ETFs in the second half of 2006. It's allowing 30 free trades a month, which is more than Wells Fargo. But those free trades are per account holder, not account. That can make a big difference depending on your style of investing. Still, Bank of America is bigger and might have more branches in your area. I'd argue that shouldn't be a priority since the free-trading investment platform is Internet-based. And the banking sides at both operate fairly separately from the brokerages. On the electronic end, Bank of America wins hands down. Its Web sites are much better than those of Wells Fargo. In terms of customer service, I'd give a slight edge to Bank of America. Bank of America isn't making public any growth numbers for assets in its free-trading program. But a spokesperson did say: "We've seen significant growth in the number of new accounts being opened. New clients in the past year are bringing in larger account balances and trading more actively."
 
Part II
the long road: No-commission etfs gaining ground
written by murray coleman friday, 04 april 2008 22:11
don't need $25,000
if you can't meet either brokerage's minimum, or want to stay away from dealing with big banks in general, there's another good option. Online broker zecco.com is offering 10 free trades per month per account. The free-trading program requires only a $2,500 minimum, and started before wells fargo or bank of america went down the same path.
"we've certainly seen various types of promotional pricing plans within the brokerage industry from time to time," said michael feser, president of zecco trading inc. "but when the big banks made free trades a permanent part of their pricing models, it really validated what we were doing." zecco says it now has about 70,000 individuals trading through its platform. "etfs are a very popular part of our online community," feser said. He estimates that a common benchmark among online brokers is that banking activity generates about 55%-60% of total revenues. Zecco offers savings and checking accounts as well as other financial services. It also makes money on the trading side through options and other types of investment vehicles. Feser, who also has served in the past as an online brokerage executive at e-trade, jpmorgan's brownco and usaa investment management, says that trading costs keep dropping as technology improves. The firm also doesn't maintain a brick-and-mortar presence, which helps it to limit overhead. "costs keep being driven down as internet trading increases," feser said. "free trading is definitely the wave of the future." a business that combines profit streams of traditional banks with volume-based web discount brokering services is "very sustainable nowadays," he added.
http://www.indexuniverse.com/section...g-popular.html
 
I came across this article in April BEFORE IFT limits went into effect and FRTIB was using number of trades and fees for trades by investment companies as partial justification for the change in TSP policy. These companies were actually going in the OPPOSITE direction...more trades, and for free. I thought it was time to re-post this article. It's too long for 1 post so this is PART 1. Here's the link for the whole thing.

http://www.indexuniverse.com/sectio...o-commission-etf-trading-proving-popular.html

PART I

Thanks L2R! I must've missed this the first time around. I did have my eye on Zecco awhile back, but didn't have cash accumulated to start doing brokerage activity at the time, was researching discount options tho (no pun intended :D). Good to have you back.
 
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