JTH's Account Talk

i agree with your 'full throttle' approach. i massively blew this latest market opportunity due to lack of patience on entry. i was able to get out at about even on the trade, just exactly in time to miss additional gains. i too am looking for a lower entry price than my last exit. and i was wanting to pull that trigger before the end of the month. right now my gut says hold g, but my heart is screaming buy buy buy! the only thing i know for sure is, wherever the path leads godammit i'm gonna get there.
 
Still here, still sucking wind, still waiting for the next open-ended opportunity. The good news is that I do nothing half-azz, when I'm wrong, I'm very wrong. At this point I've just been stubborn, but as we approach the end of the month, it will be a matter of where the wave is and if I'll decide to use the last IFT to enter stocks. The markets look great, everything is firing on all cylinders, I essentially have no valid reason not to enter, except for the fact I want a lower price than my last exit.

When a strong and well-defined trendline gets broken, I generally expect to see a stall before (1) we head back down, or (2) we overtake the line, that is precisely where I think we are at the moment.

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Best of trades...Jason

JTH,

I think that you are doing fine. Your analysis is excellent. It's not your fault even when you make a choice that doesn't pan out. The way I see much of this is that when there were no p/c or hand held computers, traders used the PnF charts more frequently, but now traders have to contend with many additional influences that might be trumping their expected conclusions. This high frequency issue could be a big wedge to contend with. Thank you.
 
Here's the latest price performance for the TSP funds. Of note, we now have 5-years of data across all funds. The S-Fund is outperforming over the past 20 days, while the C-Fund is outperforming over the past 240 days (or 1-year)

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Once again, I won't be renewing my subscription to Stockcharts.com, there isn't anything wrong with the service but I find the PnF features to be a bit lacking in the fact I can't draw on the charts unless I copy over to another format. Truth is, for the novice investor such as myself, there are plenty of free tools out there to use.
 
Here's the latest price performance for the TSP funds. Of note, we now have 5-years of data across all funds. The S-Fund is outperforming over the past 20 days, while the C-Fund is outperforming over the past 240 days (or 1-year)

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Thanks...The chart looks good but the "# of Days" seems to be a bit off on several calculated metrics. On average, there are 252 trading days per year vice 240 which is skewing the table's yearly metrics. 6 Month should average 126 trading days and 1 Month should average 21 trading days.
 
Once again, I won't be renewing my subscription to Stockcharts.com, there isn't anything wrong with the service but I find the PnF features to be a bit lacking in the fact I can't draw on the charts unless I copy over to another format. Truth is, for the novice investor such as myself, there are plenty of free tools out there to use.

I've not subscribed to their service but noticed a problem a while back on their site which still exists. The problem is that their free chart results do not match results you chart on your own even if you used the calculations provided in the chartschool section. Noticeable problems on the free chart results are related to the calculation used for mid and longer term moving average values. With those being goobered up, many of the other technical indicators that use those moving averages as an input get goobered up as well. I have not looked at the PnF charts but would imagine they are displayed properly.
 
Thanks...The chart looks good but the "# of Days" seems to be a bit off on several calculated metrics. On average, there are 252 trading days per year vice 240 which is skewing the table's yearly metrics. 6 Month should average 126 trading days and 1 Month should average 21 trading days.

Yea, the numbers on the left are what's actually being tracked, the numbers on the right are just fluffy estimations on time, I can remove them next time to prevent any confusion.

I've not subscribed to their service but noticed a problem a while back on their site which still exists. The problem is that their free chart results do not match results you chart on your own even if you used the calculations provided in the chartschool section. Noticeable problems on the free chart results are related to the calculation used for mid and longer term moving average values. With those being goobered up, many of the other technical indicators that use those moving averages as an input get goobered up as well. I have not looked at the PnF charts but would imagine they are displayed properly.

I've encountered similar issues, the moving averages between stockcharts.com and freestockcharts.com are often different. Truth is, I'm not too keen on indicators because of their ability to skew the outlook. If I all I had to work with was price and volume, then that would be more than enough, aside from that, I prefer to crunch the numbers myself, it's more fun. :)
 
2014 time is running out and my odds of out-performing the markets are slim. This is what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel, and fail to take risk. Although it's still not too late, I've already written off this year and pretty soon, I'll be drafting up the "lessons learned" and formulating next years plan. With 10 months in and getting out-performed by 4 of the 5 funds, I'm fairly sure I'm doing something wrong...

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2014 time is running out and my odds of out-performing the markets are slim. This is what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel, and fail to take risk. Although it's still not too late, I've already written off this year and pretty soon, I'll be drafting up the "lessons learned" and formulating next years plan. With 10 months in and getting out-performed by 4 of the 5 funds, I'm fairly sure I'm doing something wrong...

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i still love you man. i am at 1/2 my annual goal and can hit 50% achievement mark if i just sit on my thumb for 2 months. there is a good chance i will not do that and pee it all away on some misguided all in fool's adventure. there is almost no chance i will double up in 2 months. jenna se qua.
 
I'm right there with ya JTH. The good news is that unless the wheels fall off this wagon I should finish positive. :D

Of course last year Oct-Dec is where I made most of my annual total if my memory serves me correctly.

Half full glass kinda guy.
 
2014 time is running out and my odds of out-performing the markets are slim. This is what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel, and fail to take risk. Although it's still not too late, I've already written off this year and pretty soon, I'll be drafting up the "lessons learned" and formulating next years plan. With 10 months in and getting out-performed by 4 of the 5 funds, I'm fairly sure I'm doing something wrong...

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whatever you were doing in the beginning of the year when you were on fire, go back to that. :)
 
2014 time is running out and my odds of out-performing the markets are slim. This is what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel, and fail to take risk. Although it's still not too late, I've already written off this year and pretty soon, I'll be drafting up the "lessons learned" and formulating next years plan. With 10 months in and getting out-performed by 4 of the 5 funds, I'm fairly sure I'm doing something wrong...

You're in Texas, man.... Cowboy up!!! You can still do it!!! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO! And it's not over now!!!

Still enjoy your posts. Good trading to you.
 
The thing that works for me is to try to remember that we're investing, not gambling. Unless there's a recession, the bias of the markets is to go up, because inflation and corporate growth increases value. This is more or less a linear process, punctuated by emotionally driven events that cause volatility. If the overall market didn't go up in general, it wouldn't be an investment: the purpose of investments is to make money, and the only way to do that consistently is to have the market go up. So, if we don't believe that it will be going up consistently, we shouldn't be investing in it. However, we know from long term experience that the markets are a good investment; our goal should be to take advantage of the investment but forsee large recession drops and get out for those.

What this means to us is that we should be essentially buy and holders, to take advantage of the consistent upwards bias of the markets. However, the TSP system has a built in advantage for traders: essentially we can trade without paying any transaction fees. So, the temptation is to churn our accounts, hoping to beat the market by timing it.

My approach is to have a bias to staying in, to take advantage of the overall upward trend. When things look extremely overbought, I tend to get out, but look for a buy in opportunity as soon as possible afterwards. I don't wait to try to time the bottom, when it gets 1 or 2% lower than I sold, I buy back in, and then simply buy and hold to the next overbought. I don't have to time the top or bottom exactly, just have a good bias towards a profit.
This approach sometimes sidesteps a nice profit by getting out too early. Sometimes I buy back in too early, and have to wait through another 5% loss before it recovers. But, with the positive upwards bias of the market, if a person stays in through most of it and doesn't panic and stay out too much, you get a good yearly return. Straight bull market like last year, I do poorer than a buy and holder. Volatile year, I do a bit better. The advantage to me is I think I sidestep risk by sitting out at least part of downturns.

The problem with a lot of technical analysis is that we get too focused on short time segments of the market, and try to take our profits in too small of time intervals. If we use technical analysis to sidestep large downturns, and to predict a good time to sit out for a short time, it works good. If we get sidetracked by all the noise and think that a recession is just around the corner, or a rocket takeoff is just ahead, all the time, we end up overtrading and sitting out of the market too much to take advantage of the generally upward bias that benefits long term buy and holders.

Just my uneducated thoughts, for what they're worth.

JTH, I have read your stuff for years, and what I have always thought was good was that you held through a lot more than a lot of traders. Looking at the longer term trend rather than the short. I think this year you have been a lot more sidetracked into short term timing, at the expense of longer term investing.

It's been a decent bull market year, except for a couple really unpredictable downturns, that were immediately and unpredictably corrected. Trying to react short term to those downturns has locked in a lot of losses for most of the traders on this board. Patiently waiting through the bottoms instead of getting out and missing the rocket ride back up has been a better strategy, of course easy to see that in retrospect!

dave
 
Thanks Dave, I feel much better now, I just needed to gripe and have a public pity-party and get the misery over with. One of the things I didn't point out was that my life has been hectic over the past 6 months and I've missed several IFT deadlines I might have taken, as a result I need to scale the timeframes back so that the IFT deadline is a non issue.
 
I think F Fund mat finally be turning for us: Finally over powered the 5 day. Thoughts?

Hi Bill

That was an interesting turn of events on Friday, but I would have like to see some substantial confirmation from stocks. My guess would be that perhaps some folks are front-running the winter storm. Either ways, on the .05% box price scale, we have our first bullish price objective since the 1st of 4 Double Bottom Breakdowns that started on Oct 23rd. The new 110.75 price objective recaptures roughly half of the previous decline, from a Fibonacci perspective this falls inline with my expectations. However, we still have 4 lower Os followed with only 1 higher X, combine this with the fact this is not the season for bonds, and I would caution others from taking an entry here, especially without some form of confirmation from bonds. Seasonally speaking we have some weakness over the next few days, but looking out to the broader view, I'll be looking to be getting back into stocks at the earliest and least intrusive opportunity.

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