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This challenge is not to the US and Obama. It is to Kenya.
Actually, its refreshing to be held up as an example of what is possible.
 
Based on the proposed "civilian national security force", which shirt do you think looks better, brown or black?

Seriously (I hope) the nation will continue to exist as we know it and head in the same direction as it always has and continue to exist with all it's flaws. It is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic.

Dave
 
PessOptimist said:
Seriously (I hope) the nation will continue to exist as we know it and head in the same direction as it always has and continue to exist with all it's flaws. It is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic.
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And it's a much better place than it was when "all men are created equal" meant all free white male landowners. JMHO. :) And maybe our new President's opinion too. ;)

Lady
 
PessOptimist said:
Based on the proposed "civilian national security force", which shirt do you think looks better, brown or black?

Seriously (I hope) the nation will continue to exist as we know it and head in the same direction as it always has and continue to exist with all it's flaws. It is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic.

Dave
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Interesting that you should bring up the 'Civilian National Security Force".

Here is a place to read more about it, and an excerpt of the plan:



From "The American Thinker..."


Except of Obama Speech, July 2, 2008 in Colorado Springs:
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"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (emphasis added)[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]The immediate context for that amazing statement was a preview of parts of his plan to vastly expand community service opportunities for Americans of nearly all ages. He said,[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve."[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]The range of his community service initiatives was outlined in an earlier American Thinker [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]article[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. In his campaign [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]document[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] entitled "The Blueprint for Change: Barack Obama's Plan For America," Obama's "Service" section runs a close second to "Education" in complexity. But, with his Colorado Springs' statement, it grabbed first place in its projected costs to taxpayers. Obama did the cost projection himself. [/FONT]

 [FONT=times new roman,times]He plans to double the Peace Corps' budget by 2011, and expand AmeriCorps, USA Freedom Corps, VISTA, YouthBuild Program, and the Senior Corps. Plus, he proposes to form a Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps, Homeland Security Corps, Global Energy Corps, and a Green Jobs Corps. Here a corps - there a corps - everywhere a corps corps. [/FONT]

 [FONT=times new roman,times]So it made sense in Colorado Springs when he said his call to community service "will be a central cause of my presidency." He couldn't be clearer in signaling his intentions, including a Social Investment Fund Network to link local non-profits with the federal government. [/FONT]

 [FONT=times new roman,times]The entire plan is breathtaking in its scope. But it does not, as at least one internet [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]writer[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] has suggested, portend a "giant police force." It would be easier to rebut if it did. As it is, it's silly stuff born of naively fanciful dreams."

Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html


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XL-entLady said:
And it's a much better place than it was when "all men are created equal" meant all free white male landowners. JMHO. :) And maybe our new President's opinion too. ;)

Lady
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Oh Lady, are you suggesting that we males start questioning our founding fathers?:)
 
[FONT=times new roman,times]"People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve."

This will solve all our national problems. Everyone becomes a Federal employee. No unemployment, no health care crisis, and with everyone in TSP the stock market takes off like a rocket. Crank up the printing presses, we are going to need a lot of that green stuff to pay all these folks.:D
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XL-entLady said:
And it's a much better place than it was when "all men are created equal" meant all free white male landowners. JMHO. :) And maybe our new President's opinion too. ;)

Lady
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I do not agree with the original limitations of white male, but a citizen landowner or broader yet one who pays Federal income tax and does not receive any subsidy or special "gov. loans"/bail out from tax paying citizens. Eliminate that group and now you have a better pool of voters that will do what is right for the Country.

I still have a problem with folk that get to vote while getting the "free money" and influencing the law makers. If they would give me billions of dollars I would throw some major campaign contributions their way. Kind of sounds like money laundering.


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
 
Why can I not invent like Edison or create like Michaelangelo? Why can't I slam a basketball like Jordan or hit a golf ball like Woods? Why can't I ride a motorcycle mike Rossi or pick stocks like Buffett?

All men ARE NOT created equal. What a boring world it would be if all were equal...
 
RunningFool said:
[FONT=times new roman,times]"People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve."[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]This will solve all our national problems. Everyone becomes a Federal employee. No unemployment, no health care crisis, and with everyone in TSP the stock market takes off like a rocket. Crank up the printing presses, we are going to need a lot of that green stuff to pay all these folks.:D[/FONT]
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Shades of John Lennon, imagine that!!:D
 
Show-me said:
I do not agree with the original limitations of white male, but a citizen landowner or broader yet one who pays Federal income tax and does not receive any subsidy or special "gov. loans"/bail out from tax paying citizens. Eliminate that group and now you have a better pool of voters that will do what is right for the Country.

I still have a problem with folk that get to vote while getting the "free money" and influencing the law makers. If they would give me billions of dollars I would throw some major campaign contributions their way. Kind of sounds like money laundering.


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
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Where do subsidized corporations and other businesses fit into your picture, Show-Me? Should the officers, stockholders and boardmembers be denied the vote too? I kinda like that idea, what's good for the goose and all that. :)
 
Lyndon Johnson was the creep that sent me to Vietnam. Who knows what the hell Obama will come up with.
 
PessOptimist said:
So what does that mean?
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No more big business tyrants running a government for the people. Cutting taxes is great for businesses that make a lot of money, but for me, it doesn't make much difference. The wealthy have to support the country because the common folk can't. Trickle down economics seems to only work with a small percentage of the population at the top. The cream rises to the top, and gets skimmed, but the milk tastes better when it's mixed in. Republican ideals are fast becoming outdated. Don't get me wrong here, I am as much against saying "happy holidays" as the next guy. I would much rather hear "Merry Christmas." I do believe in personal responsibility (Rep ideal), but that responsibility has to be taught by somebody (the states) because parents apparently aren't getting the job done, and nobody goes to Church anymore. Then of course somebody has to finance that, which is where the "share the wealth" comes in. In order for that to work though, America needs a culture change. No more "just 5 more minutes." We are a lazy population. Purpose needs to be re-instilled. The Dems probably aren't the people to do it, but hopefully we can rise back to greatness. I wish I was around for the 50s, because to me, that seemed to be the great times in recent history.
 
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