F Fund where will it go ?

Treasurys rise after Geithner discusses bank plan

In late trading, as the Dow Jones industrial average fell 381 points,
the benchmark 10-year Treasury note rose 1 15/32 to 107 28/32,
and its yield fell to 2.82 percent from 2.99 percent.

The 30-year bond rose 3 4/32 to 118 10/32,
and its yield fell to 3.50 percent from 3.65 percent.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090210/credit_markets.html?.v=7
 
Does anyone have any thoughts about what yesterday's Fed move will do to our F Fund in the short or intermediate term?

TIA,
Lady
 
Good morning Lady,

Birch's latest post on SugarandSpice's thread really got my attention and I can't help but think that's pretty accurate.

It describes the Bond Conditions pretty well.

Hope that helps - and have a wonderful day!!

Steady
 
Why do we rely on technical analysis for a bond fund, an "equity" that is heavily and easily manipulated by the Fed (human intervention, that is)? Is TA reliable so far in your case?

:confused:
 
Anything that is traded can be charted and patterns can be interpretted. Some work better than others. Bonds tend to get in very strong trends, but also oscillate at times. Nothing always works, but I think TA has been as reliable for bonds as stock indices.
 
Why do we rely on technical analysis for a bond fund, an "equity" that is heavily and easily manipulated by the Fed (human intervention, that is)? Is TA reliable so far in your case? :confused:

I can understand your point of view. I don't use charts to tell me what AGG will do, just what it has already done. Yes the Feds can screw with the carts, but they can't move a 200 SMA overnight. :cheesy:
 
they are dumping bonds today and even after the bad unemployment news, stocks are holding their positions well. another green week next week?
 
If you have any concerns about future inflation because of the increased money supply which is up around 20% I'd be careful around the F fund. Rates will eventually rise so where high boots - the F fund will be in a sideways action.
 
Here is a monthly view of AGG. Since AGG has failed to turn the top trendline into support, I'm waiting for a pullback into the middle trendline.

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I'm showing a .01% difference as of 13 April. While the monthly returns seem to match up well, I'm convinced they screw up the daily returns, to keep folks like us from scalping gains and running back to the G-fund. :cool:
 
I'm showing a .01% difference as of 13 April. While the monthly returns seem to match up well, I'm convinced they screw up the daily returns, to keep folks like us from scalping gains and running back to the G-fund. :cool:

Remember, its an "iShares" product including all the fees, bells and whistles
that come along with it. If I'm not mistaken, "iShares" was just sold too.

Here's how they compare Today and on a MTD and YTD basis;

Wednesday:
AGG:+0.28%
(.F):+0.14%

MTD:
AGG:-0.06%
(.F):+0.74%

YTD:
AGG:-2.68%
(.F):+0.86%

Either way you look at it, The AGG is not a good representation of the
(F) Fund results. Even on a daily basis. This frustrating fact has been
a topic that Tom has discussed in the past. But there's nothing that
can be found in lieu of the AGG. I've always wondered if the closing time
of the Bond Market had any affect on the (F) Fund's share prices. Maybe
even a FV difference. Anyway, we must use what we have until something
better comes along.

Anyone finding a reasonable alternative is Invited to add their findings to
this glorious MB. Should that ever happen, bar charts and pie graphs might
actually mean something, when it comes to (F) Fund tracking.
 
Briefing.com:Stocks have retreated to a fresh session low in the wake of a messy bond auction, which had plenty of subscribers (offering covered more than 2-to-1 by bidders), but it failed to offer the yield that was desired. That has prompted many traders to dump Treasuries.
 
At JTH's suggestion, here is a repost of something I put in my account thread this morning:

So far this morning, my favorite reading has been a rather lengthy article on Safe Haven entitled, "Words for the (Investment) Wise for the Week that Was." Here are a couple of quotes from the article that I especially noted. If you have the time, I highly recommend the entire article. It's long and takes some absorbing, but has some great nuggets of information.


"...Two important trend reversals deserve mention, namely US 10-year Treasury Notes having breached their key 200-day moving average, and likewise the US dollar. Treasuries fell out of favor as a result of a poorly received $14 billion auction of 30-year bonds on Thursday, with 10-year Notes and 30-year Bonds rising to 3.29% (+17 bps) and 4.27% (+23 bps) respectively on the week. As massive issuance overhangs the sovereign bond market, investors speculated about the Fed's pain threshold for long-term rates. According to Reuters, PIMCO's Bill Gross said: "In order to maintain a 4% agency mortgage rate, the Fed will likely have to step up its daily purchases of Treasuries and focus on the longer end of the curve."
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Source: StockCharts.com
As far as the greenback is concerned, Richard Russell (Dow Theory Letters) said: "I don't think most people understand the importance of the whole dollar, bond, interest rate syndrome. First, the US is creating and spending fiat dollars in the trillions. This wild creation of dollars is putting pressure on the dollar - after all, too much of anything will dilute its value. Dollar down = bonds down."...."



"...Jeremy Grantham's (GMO) take on the stock market outlook is summarized in his recent quarterly newsletter, in which he says: "The current stimulus is so extensive globally that surely it will kick up the economies of at least some of the larger countries, including the US and China, by late this year or early next year. (This seems about 80% probable to me, anyway.) Anticipating this, we should expect a stock market recovery - which normally leads economic recovery by six months, plus or minus two - sometime between two months ago and, say, August, which the astute reader will realize implies that this rally may already be it."..."

http://safehaven.com/article-13306.htm

Lady
 
Glad you enjoyed it, J, and done. :)

Lady

Thanks Lady :D

I didn't want to steel your thunder. My F-play earlier this month is making an exit because I didn't like the way bonds sold off last week. I might make a profit, depending on how today plays out.

Long story short, I should have been watching the 10 & 30 year yields and their 200 moving average. If I had, I wouldn't have made the trade. :rolleyes:

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Being in F-Fund, I just desired to post the P&F chart for the 10-year Bond Yields, $TNX, below. I stumbled onto it, and thought I'd post it, as it intrigued me - can the MMT (Market Manipulation Team) let the bond yield(s) skyrocket to its current P.O.?
I THINK NOT!!
- I drew the eliptical circle showing a recent setup on the chart that I think may repeat as a resullt of scenario above (just a personal theory).

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PS - even more important maybe the 30-year yield $TYX - look at that one up also if interested.
(coutesy to 350CommTech for insights in his tread, that got me looking harder at this. :worried::rolleyes:
 
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