crws's Account Talk

Alright, amid the doom & gloom, I'm getting my suit ready for a dive.
The I Fund & BP were up strong the end of the day, with the Euro gaining as well.
I'm beginning to think, again, that next week will be much brighter.
For all the propaganda of this, I can relate.

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kwellsreliefwells062710.htm

Now to decide how to allocate an ST Bull IFT-

S Fund- High probability of the most snap back, biggest beneficiary of any small business $, but prone to wild dynamics.

C Fund- Blue chips with cash reserves. Maybe not the best chance of strong forward outlook, but less cyclical.

I Fund- Coupled with BP and the EU stimulus & stability plan, along with record gold prices & the rush to US Treasuries, this could be the divergence of equities low and gold high that sets up a funding crossover.

-thoughts?

First, thanks for that BP video link, very encouraging.

I'm also contemplating a move in tomorrow if things act as I'm looking for with an additional move up early then another selloff starting before the IFT deadline.

My thoughts on choosing which fund...today's sharp move down in the dollar indicates that Daneric has the dollar count right at least short term and it started it's wave C down today. That should last for at least another week and probably closer to two weeks. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/TC0LDQ9hDjI/AAAAAAAAGI4/-Eykb65lWAU/s1600/dollar.png Now, notice when the last fall (wave A) in the dollar happened; it exactly coincided with the rally in stocks from 6/7 to 6/18. That would happen again in this wave C down in the dollar. Sooooo.... I looked at how C-S-I performed during that last rally. I don't have the numbers in front of me but it was something like 6.5% for C, 7.5% for S, and 9% for the I fund. This time the difference could be even larger if wave C down in the dollar is larger than wave A was as expected.

So, it's high risk, but the short term trade would seem to be with the I fund. This is the move I'm hoping for, making tomorrow or Tuesday the day to jump in: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/TCz4mStS7DI/AAAAAAAAGIg/hmjfGPI1r0I/s1600/spx15.png

If the futures are soaring in the morning I'll probably stay away like Robo says, since the first day of this rally is likely to be the best, and in fact the I fund may have already started the move today with the help of that big dollar plunge today. I plan to make my second IFT of July a move back into the F fund, so a move into stocks has to be planned carefully, then add a large dash of luck.
 
I would not be surprised if this correction has been a large head fake to the downside to lighten the load on the return journey. Take the approaching death cross with a grain of salt - we are headed for another runaway train like a stampede to the upside. There has been a wonderful wall of worry set in place and many will be left behind sitting on the dock of the bay.
 
man, you are a chart wizard.
Hopefully some of that will rub off on me by hanging around here.
I get the basics, but how to set up the queries is beyond my know how at my stage of the game.

I was thinking more I than S for the simple reason that it would take the EU retiree's apprehension about their pensions
to a near ST euphoria, sparking a flood of world cash back into BP and rubbing off on the energy sector.

Sequentially, my thoughts then linked off to the LT effects of the spill, and how, with those images being etched into
the mind of the world as we collectively held our breaths that we survived, would spur the real possibility for a
true sustainable energy plan embracing technological development and job growth, giving the compounding returns
of efficiency and independence as catalysts to propel us out of this pit!:cheesy:

I also hark back to this interview on RT regarding the Euro/USD, which even considering the source I believe has legitimate merit:




Thanks for all the info.
I will most likely make up my mind in the a.m., but I may do a 33% 3-way split, leaving G & F (minor) out of the equation.

First, thanks for that BP video link, very encouraging.

I'm also contemplating a move in tomorrow if things act as I'm looking for with an additional move up early then another selloff starting before the IFT deadline.

My thoughts on choosing which fund...today's sharp move down in the dollar indicates that Daneric has the dollar count right at least short term and it started it's wave C down today. That should last for at least another week and probably closer to two weeks. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/TC0LDQ9hDjI/AAAAAAAAGI4/-Eykb65lWAU/s1600/dollar.png Now, notice when the last fall (wave A) in the dollar happened; it exactly coincided with the rally in stocks from 6/7 to 6/18. That would happen again in this wave C down in the dollar. Sooooo.... I looked at how C-S-I performed during that last rally. I don't have the numbers in front of me but it was something like 6.5% for C, 7.5% for S, and 9% for the I fund. This time the difference could be even larger if wave C down in the dollar is larger than wave A was as expected.

So, it's high risk, but the short term trade would seem to be with the I fund. This is the move I'm hoping for, making tomorrow or Tuesday the day to jump in: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/TCz4mStS7DI/AAAAAAAAGIg/hmjfGPI1r0I/s1600/spx15.png

If the futures are soaring in the morning I'll probably stay away like Robo says, since the first day of this rally is likely to be the best, and in fact the I fund may have already started the move today with the help of that big dollar plunge today. I plan to make my second IFT of July a move back into the F fund, so a move into stocks has to be planned carefully, then add a large dash of luck.
 
Rock n' Roll

Dear Participant:
Your interfund transfer request has been processed. The details are provided below.

Method of Request: Web
Date of Request: 07/02/2010
Time of Request: 11:57:04 Eastern
Effective Date: 07/02/2010
Investment Percentages You Requested:

L 2040: 0% L 2030: 0% L 2020: 0% L 2010: 0% L INCOME: 0% G FUND: 25% F FUND: 0% C FUND: 25% S FUND: 25% I FUND: 25%
 
In the water
G 25
C 25
S 25
I 25
BP, plug the hole!:laugh:

Sunday, July 4, 2010
Death Cross or Golden Cross
Last Friday, 50DMA crossed below 200DMA on SP500



Many consider this technical event as a representative of bear markets. Statistics show this is just a fallacy or delusion.

There were 42 Death Cross signals occurred since 1928. These signals have generated an average 12-month return of 2.4% for the S&P 500 vs. the average S&P 12-month return of 7.2%

From my collective studies, I think we are on the verge of launching a gigantic sucker rally that may potentially challenge April 2010 highs on SP500. There may be marginal lows in coming days, and I will adjust my positions accordingly if this happens but keep in mind that subsequent rally will not be something like those you have seen since April highs.

So in fact this Death Cross signal may very well act like a Golden-Cross soon.

Happy 4th.
Posted by Atilla Demiray at 7/04/2010 11:21:00 AM

http://www.xtrenders.com/
 
If, in fact a rally does take shape, I suspect it will be broad based.
I was looking at the performance of Gold and Bonds and both took a significant hit Thursday,
before the Friday non-farm #'s came out.
I forgot where I read it, but there was emphasis on watching the dynamic between
gold and equities and how when one peaked, the other declined.
Much was said about a simultaneous test for a high of gold and a low of equities.
When those 2 conditions were met, equities would rally.
With all the tado about bonds being hot, and really, at record highs,
I think bonds & gold dropping the same day is worth noting.

w

w

z
 
Well, this doesn't look good
-and from March 2009
https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?p=593344

03-22-2009, 12:21 AM
Mattie412
Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 10


Warning! Gold will drop starting mid 2010!
Rising inflationary trends from mid 2009 into mid 2010 will reverse to a massive deflationary trend in prices,
as the economy slows and all assets deflate, as they have done after every bubble boom in history.
When this massive deflation occurs, it will be the start of the next great depression.
When this happens, the price of gold will fall as the commodities bubble bursts.
There will be a final boom before the bust which will be no later than mid 2010.

More from the Thread above:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starting
Gold will deflate? And how do you know that, if I may ask please?

Because gold is a commodity and commodities are in a bubble. And although it is a monetary metal,
which means it will not deflate as much as, say industrial metals, it will still deflate non the less.
If your looking to preserve your capital, get into strong currencies and good quality bonds at the
peak of inflation or at the beginning of deflation. With bonds you can lock in a high interest rate before deflation starts,
thus preserving and increasing your purchasing power. Selling commodities at the peak of inflation will be a good idea,
but if you want to hold gold for the long term that would be very wise as well.

Long term gold should be viewed as a form of SAVINGS and or store of value. Not as a investment that will increase your wealth.

But at the point in the economy no later than mid 2010, the commodities bubble will burst and gold will deflate,
so think of diverting capital into deflation proof investments.


Silvercoin
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,428

I agree with mattie. Gold will fall.

The govt right now is pissing away tons of money trying to reinflate the economy preventing its
natural progression downwards. But they will soon find out this is not working.
The volume of money they can inject is nowhere near the volume that has/is being destroyed.
Everything remains overvalued and has to come down in prices.

The irony of this fiasco is that the baby boomer retirement problem which was to be a huge expense
to the nation is being solved. The solution - no retirement!
Baby boomers have seen their nest egg wiped out - house value gone, stocks gone and the next shoe to drop
will be pension funds will go belly up.
On top of that the govt finances are messed up. So the boomers will have to keep working.

At the other end, the US is destroying its credit worthiness overseas by printing or threatening
to print money into its economy. Holders of treasuries and govt bonds overseas are beginning to lose their appetite
for US debt as a safe investment. If this continues, it will result in a big contraction of govt spending.

Everyone is wondering what is the next bubble. I can tell you we are in it. Its called govt spending.
Just as govt spending has expanded massively, so too it will contract massively and prices (gold included) will fall.

Gold might be king for a short while but listen to the good Dr. Lee Warren when he also says Cash is King.
Last edited by Silvercoin : 03-22-2009 at 03:15 PM.
 
Last edited:
http://www.freeby50.com/2010/05/how-fast-could-gold-drop.html
May 24, 2010

How Fast *Could* Gold Drop?

I've said before that I don't think gold is a very good investment based on the historic trends.
I think there is way too much hype nowadays over gold as an investment.
It seems to me that much of the hype over gold is due to peoples fear about the economy and people jumping on a bandwagon.
In my opinion the gold market has the signs of a bubble and eventually the bubble will pop.But just how fast might gold go down when (if) it does? I figured that looking at past declines of gold would give a decent reference.

We can find historical data on gold values from the Kitco site.
Back in the late 1970's and early 1980's gold prices grew significantly and then crashed.
Gold also had some smaller crashes later in the late '80's and 90's.
Here are some examples of recent periods when gold dropped in value:


  • Then after hitting a high of $850 an ounce in Jan. 1980 gold dropped to $481 by March that same year. That is a 43% drop in value in just 2 months.
  • Gold then recovered and hit $710 in Sept. 1980 but the price then slid again and by July 1981 it was down to $397. That is a drop of 44% in a 10 month period.
  • Then from Sept. 1981 when gold was at $463 to June 1982 when it hit $296 gold lost 36% in about 9 months.
  • Gold hit $499 in Dec. 1987 and dropped to $395 by Oct. 1988. Thats a drop of 20% in 10 months.
  • In Feb. 1990 gold hit $423 and then dropped to $346 by June of that year. Thats a loss of 18% in 4 months.
  • In Aug. 1993 gold hit $405 then dropped to $343 by Sept. 1993. within just 2 month period gold lost 15%.
  • Most recently in 2008 gold hit $1011 in March 2008 and then sunk to $712 by Oct. 2008 which is a 29% drop in 7 month period.
If we look at some longer periods of about 2.5 years (give or take a month or two) then we can see some fairly sizable declines.

  • All together from the peak of $850 in Jan. 1980 to June 1982 price of $296 gold lost 65% of its value in a 2.5 year period.
  • Then after recovering to $481 in Sept. 82 the value had dropped to $284 by Feb '85. That is a 41% decline over a 2.5 years.
  • In Dec. 1987 gold hit $499 but by June 1990 it was back down to $345. That is a drop of 30% down in a little over 2.5 years.
  • In August 1990 gold hit $413 and then it $326 by March of 1993. This is a loss of 21% in under 2.5 years.
  • Gold hit $414 in Feb. 1996 and then slid to $273 by August 1998. This is a 34% loss in 2.5 years.

Here are the drops that gold saw in periods of 12 month or less:

Jan 1980 to Mar '80: 43% in 2 months
Sept '80 to Jul '81 : 44% in 10 months

Sept '81 to Jun '82 : 36% in 9 months

Dec '87 to Oct '88 : 20% in 10 months
Feb '90 to Jun '90 : 18% in 4 months
Aug '93 to Sept '93 : 15% in 2 months
Mar '08 to Oct '08 : 29% in 7 months


Drops over periods of roughly 2.5 years:

Jan '80 to Jun '82 : 65%
Sep '82 to Feb '85 : 41%
Dec. '87 to June '90 : 30%
Aug '90 to Mar '93 : 21%
Feb '96 to Aug '98 : 34%

Now of course the past doesn't predict the future. But if something has happened in the past then
I see no reason why it couldn't happen again.

Looking to the past to give us ideas of how fast gold has dropped in value we can see that gold has
dropped in value by as much as 44% in a short 2 month period and as much as 65% in a 2.5 year span.

In the past 3 decades gold has lost 15-44% in separate individual periods of 2-10 months.
And we've also seen gold lose 30 to 65% in separate individual 2.5 year declining periods.

In my opinion then when gold drops next then its pretty likely we could see a drop of about 30%
within a 12 month period and potentially 40% losses within a 30 month timeframe.
 
Might have just made the cutoff. I'm hoping.
(I was still at 0900 on a .gov system!)
C- 25%
S- 25%
I- 50%
 
missed the deadline... still at previous allocation, G 25, C 25, S 25, and I 25.
eh- I was wanting to keep that IFT anyway...
Should have followed my own advice and leaned more overseas to begin with.
This political climate has the US at odds, and unless we GOST ASAP we are in for a shockin' when the world comes a knockin'
 
This is a beeeeautiful sight.
A bull smack down with a slam dunk at the buzzer.:toung:
DJI.7.07.png
 
getting defensive today COB
G- 25
C- 10
S- 10
I- 55

Gold's still dropping and the euro is kickin.
Although the dollar is weaker, I am highly suspect this was a run up to cover shorts before
next week's numbers and options expire.
We'll see, I may be marginalized for the rest of the month, but with a profit.
 
The I's have it.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ecbs-stark-worst-of-crisis-is-over-2010-07-09?reflink=MW_news_stmp
Worst of sovereign-debt crisis is over, says ECB's Stark


FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) -- The worst of the recent financial-market turmoil tied to the European sovereign-debt crisis appears to have passed, a top European Central Bank official said Friday.
"It seems the worst is over," said Juergen Stark, a member of the ECB's executive board, in a news conference on the sidelines of a central-banking conference.

Financial markets have "calmed down" and tensions have eased, as evidenced by the expiration last week of 442 billion euros of one-year, fixed-rate ECB loans to euro-zone commercial banks without any major hitches, Stark said.
The ECB no longer offers one-year refinancing operations. Banks used a six-month refinancing facility and a six-day bridging facility amid the expiration but rolled over around €200 billion less than the amount that was due to expire.
The resulting reduction in liquidity resulted in only a slight rise in money-market rates, however, signalling confidence in the euro area and the banking system, Stark said, noting the "enormous nervousness" in the markets about the expiration's potential impact.
 
Good article from USA Today


Computerized stock trading leaves investors vulnerable
(clip)

By Matt Krantz, USA TODAY
The time it takes to read this sentence is all it takes for nearly 2 million stock trades to flash through the stock market.
Most of those trades aren't coming from trigger-happy day traders and mutual fund managers with billions of dollars at their disposal. It's a flood of machine-gun speed fury coming from an army of computers programmed to obey complicated algorithms that are hyperactively buying and selling.
What does that mean to you, the individual investor? The next time you buy or sell a stock, forget the quaint idea that there is a living, breathing human being on the other side of the transaction. You're trading with a computer.
Not only are the markets completely computerized, more than half of the market's volume is churned by computers programmed to spot certain patterns in trading. These machines see stocks not as securities used by companies to raise money, but rather, symbols, numbers and bits that are traded, swapped and exchanged.
And now, traders say, humans are responding to machines rather than the other way around. Increasingly, too, the machines are reacting to each other, trying to second-guess what their next moves might be on how to take advantage of an edge that might be gone in milliseconds.
"There are no real buyers or sellers," says Joe Saluzzi, trader at Themis Trading. "It's all about the machines."
Never was that as clear as May 6, the day the Dow Jones industrials plunged nearly 1,000 points and then recovered in Wall Street's most volatile half-hour ever. Two months later regulators and stock-exchange officials haven't been able to explain what caused that panic-packed period — except to say that computers likely were to blame.
Given the level of computerization of our lives, from how we play to how we work, it's not surprising technology is how the stock market can handle, process and route the billions of trades that flow through it each day. And computerization is the reason individual investors can buy and sell stocks for less than $10, sometimes even free with some discount brokerages.
But following the May 6 "flash crash," investors are beginning to understand there's a serious and often hidden downside to letting the machines run the markets.
Perhaps most troubling is how computers are giving sophisticated investors with the best digital access to the markets a leg up over regular investors in ways modernization was supposed to do away with. Meanwhile, technological advances are making it nearly impossible for regulators, who play a critical role in maintaining a fair market, to monitor the system that by its very nature has no paper trail and buries transactions in mountains of data.
"It's a war of information," says Gibbons Burke of Morningstar's MarketHistory.com, which compiles statistics of market movements. "Lots of games are being played."
Increased computerization of the stock market is raising troubling problems that have the potential to harm individual investors in the form of:
Digital "painting the tape." One of the ways traders misled investors in the past was by conducting sham trades with themselves. A trader might enter orders to buy and sell shares of a stock between two entities it controls, giving the false impression there's strong investor interest for the stock at certain prices. This is called painting the tape.
The intent is to fool other investors into thinking this false trading was real, and tempt them into trading based on that information. It's similar to how a crooked eBay seller might improperly use another username to bid on an item, misleading legitimate buyers about the true value of the item.
Painting the tape is illegal. However, modern technology allows traders to essentially perform the same trick in a way that's hard for regulators to detect, says Eric Hunsader, founder of market data feed provider Nanex.
Rapid-fire computer systems allow sophisticated traders, including the giant Wall Street firms, to post bid (buy) and offer (sell) prices they have no intention of actually following through on, he says. For instance, a firm might post a bid for a stock showing they want to buy at a certain price. But by the time investors interested in selling at that price get their order to the market, the false buyer yanks the electronic bid literally faster than a blink of the eye, Hunsader says. This interplay happens in milliseconds, making it difficult to detect.
The computerized trickery is enabled by physics. Since trades move over computer networks at roughly the speed of light, the firms that are physically located nearest the market centers in New York and pay market-access fees get a leg up.
The reason? Each 186 miles a trader is physically located away from the New York trading center, about a millisecond is added to the time to execute a trade, Hunsader says, because that's the speed of light; data can't travel over fiber-optic networks faster than the speed of light.
A millisecond might not sound like much, but it's an eternity for traders who can put up bids or offers for stocks and yank them before other investors located away from New York or with slower connections to the markets can respond. "Trading has gotten to the point where the speed of light is now the major source of latency," Hunsader says.
Swamping the market with trades. If your e-mail box is filling up with spam, you've already experienced another distortion technology is bringing to the stock markets.
Thanks to low-cost and automated trading, trading firms can swamp markets with a deluge of buy and sell orders in a way that gives them an advantage, Hunsader says.
As other firms must parse through the extraneous trades, slowing them down, the firms behind the pseudo bids and offers can ignore them, saving them milliseconds of analysis time. This gives their computers valuable extra milliseconds to parse true trends in the market and gain an advantage, Hunsader says.
Think of it this way: Imagine that a winning lottery number is e-mailed to two people at the same time, and whoever reads the message first wins the prize. Quickly, one of the people cleverly e-mails millions of spam messages to the other person who also received the e-mail. The spam recipient will need to sort through those e-mails to find the one with the winning lottery number, giving the spam sender time to claim the prize.
The sheer volume of trades is staggering. During the day of the May market meltdown, for instance, more than 19 billion transactions moved, according to regulators. It would take a person more than 100 years to simply count to 1 billion, he says, so anyone who knows some of those trades can be ignored gets a huge advantage.
Derivatives overwhelming the cash market. Trading firms with the best systems already get a leg up on other investors. But savvy firms can push the market around even more, thanks to other electronic markets that connect with the stock market.
Over on futures exchanges, instead of buying stocks, traders can buy bets on where they think stocks will be in the future. For instance, a trader who thinks the S&P 500 will rise can just buy the so-called e-mini S&P 500 futures contract, rather than buying all 500 stocks in the S&P 500 index.
What makes these contracts so powerful is that they allow traders to make enormous bets with little upfront money: Just $500 in cash can control $50,000 of stock. So a small risk can give traders tremendous sway in the market.
Trading in e-mini contracts has swelled to the point that this speculative market, under the right circumstances, can drive the market for the actual stocks, says Fane Lozman founder of ScanShift.com, a trading firm.
It works like this. Several computer-based trading systems, simultaneously, might load up on large positions betting the S&P 500 will fall. Computers do this by selling e-mini contracts in the futures market at the same time.
But a flood of these robotic sells can have a disastrous effect on stocks on days when the market is already weak. These large e-mini orders will spook the stock market, causing traders and their computers to pull orders to buy the actual stocks on the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq. As the market goes lower, selling begets selling. The result is a flash flood of selling and no buying.
"As all these orders from all over the country pile up, no buyer is going to stand in front of that freight train," Lozman says.
 
Back
Top