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Epic
TSP Pro
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Thank you very, very much! That's such a Huge Help for sure. Hey Tom, can you make Coolhand's explanation of how to understand NAAIM a "Sticky"?? I don't even know if we have "Sticky's" here, but his description should be placed where anyone can access it and it doesn't get buried and lost in a thread where no one can find it. This is great information.
Thanks again Coolhand. Glad your back!!!
DreamboatAnnie
TSP Legend
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CoolHand, Thank you so much for your help on NAAIM and for providing your take on it and how your reading was determined.
I hope you continue visiting us and I love your commenting ...hope you visit weekly or at least every month! :smile: I had documented some of your comments on NAAIM, but your explanation is very comprehensive.
I still visit the site you recommended at https://x22report.com/ and read The Creature From Jekyll Island. https://archive.org/details/TheCreatureFromJekyllIslandByG.EdwardGriffin
Best wishes to you and God's blessings to you. :smile:
P.S. I like Epic's suggestion asking Tom to make it a Sticky Note!Last edited:
flalaw97
TSP Strategist
- Reaction score
- 13
With regard to the NAAIM deviation number, I think that it represents how closely packed the surveyed members are together. So the lower deviation (like the 21.67 this week) means that they are mostly on the same page; whereas, if the deviation is higher (like the end of Feb, early March the deviation was in the 70s) means there is a wider spread of opinion. I think what is important is CH's description of how we (TSP users) can USE the NAAIM to predict the type of market the smart money thinks it will be longer term (not day to day) to identify longer stretches of bull or bear markets. A prolonged series (3 or 4 weeks) of NAAIM numbers over 70 along with the most Bullish being leveraged +200 is to me a good indicator that being heavily in equities (S&C) is the right place to be. When a streak like that stops, it is time to pay close attention and perhaps consider pulling back. But again, this is all in the bigger context of what are your long term goals, when will you need the money and is it better to ride out the dips if your event horizon (withdrawing funds from TSP) is a long way away?
coolhand
TSP Legend
- Reaction score
- 360
The modest to moderately bullish NAAIM reading from last week has not been bullish. But I said last week that they were not wildly bullish so a bullish outcome for that week's signal was not a given. They played both sides with a slant toward bullishness.
This week, they are collectively more bullish than last week. Seems that there is an expectation of a reversal back to the upside given the shift toward more bullishness. I note that the bulls among them got more bullish and the bears a bit more bearish (as far as leverage goes).
So, I would think that based on this reading we may see an upside reversal over the days ahead. But, this is a difficult market to gauge, so even if we get that upside reversal, how long might it last and how much upside might we see? The bull market we enjoyed for all those years is in the rear view mirror until another one manifests.
Good luck in your market position, however you chose to position yourself.
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I will make a copy of the post and "stick" it at the top of the Psychology of Trading forum...
https://www.tsptalk.com/mb/psychology-of-trading/38722-how-use-naaim.html
coolhand
TSP Legend
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- 360
This week's NAAIM reading shows a somewhat modest move to a more bullish stance overall, but not enough to take the overall picture out of neutral or at best modestly bullish. Leverage on both sides (short and long) did not change all that much. In other words, this smart money continues to spread out their risk, which means the market remains somewhat uncertain as far as they are concerned.
coolhand
TSP Legend
- Reaction score
- 360
Well, NAAIM came in overall more bearish this week. Pretty good drop off from last week's reading. That doesn't necessarily mean increased selling pressure is imminent (though it might), but risk is more elevated to the downside over the days ahead. The bears among them got more bearish with short leverage increasing, while some of the bulls got more bullish with increased long leverage. Still, taken as a whole this group of smart money is moderately bearish.
coolhand
TSP Legend
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- 360
Today's NAAIM reading shows a somewhat modest rise in bullishness, but overall the reading has not changed much in terms of risk. I see the reading as neutral to modestly bearish now. The bulls and bears have both tempered their long and short positions. I see a picture of continued caution overall.
I want to point out something that may seem obvious, but it really isn't that obvious to many folks. The term "bullish" and "bearish" obviously point to a traders feelings about the market. But how are we using these two emotional terms when assessing risk? In other words, how do these words affect us emotionally in the context to which they are used?
In my first sentence above I said that the reading saw a modest rise in bullishness. What emotional triggers did you have when you first read that? Was your first thought that maybe a bottom is in? If you are looking for reason to get long right now, does this statement at least initially push you more in the direction of getting invested? Are you afraid of missing out on the long side? Or maybe you are more bearish and looking for a reason to stay on the lily pad (so to speak).
I bring this up because sometimes we can look at a given metric (in this case NAAIM) as a signal of sorts. And it can be used as a signal (I don't view it as a signal, but more of an indication) when coupled with other indicators, but that indicator does not have to necessarily be bullish or bearish. It can also be neutral (like now).
Looking at the past weeks and even months, we can see why NAAIM has been largely hedging their positions for months now. So, even though there was a somewhat modest rise in bullishness this week, don't let that trigger word push you in a direction unless you understand the risks. NAAIM has been largely telling us to be very wary of this market for some time. They have flexibility to maneuver in this market that we do not have in TSP. Look at the volatility right now. The moves are darn difficult to anticipate; especially the degree of the move. And I won't even get into the geopolitical risks right now. It's a battleground in the financial markets as well as other places.
While this market has certainly not entirely fallen apart, it could. This is not the bull market we enjoyed for so many years. Always keep in mind the longer term trend (last few months). It is not bullish. It is neutral and undecided where it is heading.
The emotional impact of losing money is greater than the emotional impact of gaining it. That is a fact. It's why people jump out windows when confronted with significant losses.
The whole point of this message is to watch your emotions and keep in mind the bigger picture. It is not a bearish or bullish post. Use NAAIM to your advantage and be mindful that they are quite wary.
coolhand
TSP Legend
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- 360
Hi Boghie.
Perhaps, but NAAIM isn't hard over on the short side the way they were on the long side when we were still in a raging bull market, so I would spread out my risk. NAAIM is not giving any clear path with them sitting largely neutral.
coolhand
TSP Legend
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- 360
The latest NAAIM reading is of particular concern this week. These smart money managers are now collectively leaning decidedly bearish. Many bulls among them have switched positions to bearish or neutral, though some of them remain highly leveraged long. Still, the bullish longs are now the minority and it may only be continued hedging in case a bear rally occurs prior to a deeper decline. It is not unusual for the market to go in the opposite direction of a big move in NAAIM, but any move by the market counter to their collective sentiment typically lasts a few days at most (if it happens at all). This is not a signal, but a warning to longs on the bullish side. I now expect price to move lower over the days and maybe even the weeks ahead unless something changes (intermittent rallies notwithstanding).
DreamboatAnnie
TSP Legend
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- 348
Coolhand, Thank you so much for your highly valued commentary! :smile:
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Great so what do you do when your account is down 6 figures? Try and ride out a bear market that can make it worse, hope you can slowly recover or lick your wounds and take the loss before your account tanks?
coolhand
TSP Legend
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Of course, I am only giving my interpretation of what the smart money is doing, though I would like to think my interpretation is close to the mark. But the stock market often has it's own ideas. Still, the smart money is now bearish and that could potentially go on for weeks to months before a low is in. It's not guaranteed, but the smart money doesn't like losing money either so the risk certainly looks to be on the downside right now.
I cannot tell anyone what to do. It's never that easy or certain. But I hope the information can be used to make a decision (based on NAAIM and other indicators) one can live with given the potential risks.Similar threads
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