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Re: What does a Recession Look Like???

Coolhand,

Are we assuming that it will be the private sector that will be clank-fooed by the recession (depression...)?

If so, why???

Why should this economic transition follow the model of the past economic challenge? When we started dealing with the Depression our government was much smaller and had little or no debt. Now, our Federal government is the epitome of an unworthy borrower. We have lived beyond our means for 48 years+. Even in boom years we run deficits - excepting two years. And, most of those 48 years were growth years. That is one reason I do not like to have my retirement assets in Social Security bonds (that is, the ‘G Fund’). The ‘G Fund’ can be raided by the treasury when the government must, absolutely must, blow past the congresscritter defined ‘debt ceiling’…

So, I ask another question:

What would an economic tsunami (to use a blow dried talking head term) look and act like if it targeted the government sector?

clank-fooed??? Even google doesn't know what this means, but I suppose I can wager a guess. lol

I'm not sure what you're asking here boghie. Are your questions in response to my last post?

If so, don't read too much into it. FWIW, while I do read some opinions pieces here and there, I take all of them with a grain of salt. Whether they're bullish or bearish. Economics is so manipulated on a global scale that I find it largely a waste of time to do too much analysis of it. We've become victims of a media that constantly blitzes us with their editorials and opinions. Many of which try to convince us of one thing or another.

There was a time not too long ago when I used to eat this stuff up. Not any more. Too much exposure to this toxic waste gets into ones psyche and causes emotional imbalance. lol

When dealing with the stock market getting too bullish or bearish based media storylines can be dangerous to ones portfolio.

Anyway, I'm just trying to play down any given story that I may post. Again, I take none of them too seriously, even if I tend to agree or disagree with them.

As to your question regarding the G fund and Government sector risk; as you know TSP is a Government sector 401K plan. That means the same folks who try to guide our economic policy (other than the Fed and CBs) also use TSP to pad their own retirements. They have a stake in our economic outcome too.

If one was to believe that our economy was is serious danger of collapse then I would say that it probably doesn't make a hill of beans what us peons do to avoid economic carnage. It is what it is. Even Obama is going to find it exceedingly difficult to guide us out of this mess, contrary to many who voted for him might think. If the dollar collapses who cares where we had our cash parked. It would be worthless, right?

Then there's the question of gold that will invariably be brought up by others.

Okay, fine. But I have a very hard time seeing how that will work since we haven't used a barter system in decades.

I'm setting myself up here for a lot more posts, I know. lol

Bottom line, I expect economic difficulty down the road, maybe very difficult, but I fully expect us to weather it. We have to remember that it's not just the US; it's the whole world who's economic health is at stake.

Economics is not just about finance. It's a three headed monster consisting of monetary, military, and geographic aspects. Every country in the world manipulates their policies to affect each of those facets. The bigger the player, the more ripples those policies propogate.

The media tends to focus on just monetary policy when talking about our economic boom or bust. But it's not that simple.

Here's a link that I invite everyone reading this post to pagemark. It's a daily commentary from Stratfor that's free to everyone (I'm pretty sure of that, but let me know if I'm wrong). It's usually about 3 minutes in length, but they give some pretty good analysis of this three headed monster. It generally just covers the news of the day, but over time it helps give the listener a different perspective then the one mainstream media provides.

http://www.stratfor.com/podcast
 
Coolhand,

I guess folks misunderstood my comment...

All I am saying is that the 1929 - 193? Depression hit the private sector square on the chin. I don't think it did much to the public sector (although I could be wrong here).

We should take a peek at situations where the brunt of the punch is to the public sector. I think this is a viable study because our public sector has been using debt for so long it seems normal. Using debt for standard expenses. Are we assuming the public sector can’t be damaged? Are we assuming that if the public sector is hit that everything else fails?
 
Coolhand,

I guess folks misunderstood my comment...

All I am saying is that the 1929 - 193? Depression hit the private sector square on the chin. I don't think it did much to the public sector (although I could be wrong here).

We should take a peek at situations where the brunt of the punch is to the public sector. I think this is a viable study because our public sector has been using debt for so long it seems normal. Using debt for standard expenses. Are we assuming the public sector can’t be damaged? Are we assuming that if the public sector is hit that everything else fails?

Okay, I understand now. Let me first define public and private sector economics:

In economics, the private sector is that part of the economy which is both run for private profit and is not controlled by the state. By contrast, enterprises that are part of the state are part of the public sector; private, non-profit organizations are regarded as part of the voluntary sector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector

It's an interesting question boghie. I could only guess at an answer here as economics is a soft science. On the surface it certainly seems apparent that the private sector is the one in jeopardy. I don't really know the answer, but here's an article I ran across that at least provides some measure of an opinion, although it may fall short of fully answering the question:

http://www.worldgameofeconomics.com/anothergreatdepressionnow.html
 
I'm going to do a little speculating here. The market has given back almost of it's gains since Christmas and one would expect bearish levels have begun to start rising. I don't know how pervasive those levels are but here's one I like right now:

http://www.sentimentrader.com/

My thought is that we may see a bit more selling tomorrow and then begin to rally into the inauguration, which could set up a sell the news situation.

It's very much within the realm of possibilities and we are getting closer to that 850 SPX level I'm looking for. :cool:

Still all Gee for the moment, but I'm looking for an entry point now.
 
Hey Coolhand,

It looks to me like IYB's Seven Sentinels are now all showing a sell signal which would mean get to safety. Do you read the signals the same? Thoughts?
 
I cant imagine the market going down much more, I cant see why sell.
Breaking below supporting trendline...
Downtrend on the MACD histogram...
Closing below important moving averages...
Possible re-test and support of November lows before confidence can be restored...
Further wreckless fiscal policy...

Just a few things. :cheesy:
 
Hey Coolhand,

It looks to me like IYB's Seven Sentinels are now all showing a sell signal which would mean get to safety. Do you read the signals the same? Thoughts?

Yes. Don posted this last night:

"While all seven are now on sell, divergences have been not been pronounced, as yet anyway. But I've got to respect the momentum trend- especially when it turns negative in a primary bear market, as is the case here. I'll be selling rallies from here on out, rebuilding a short position. Starting from flat position here, and watchin' for good entries on short side."
 
Even with a Seven Sentinels sell signal there will be short term trading opportunities. I think we're getting close to one now. But as IYB said, it's still a bear market and it's time to sell rallies again.
 
I was optimistic last night that we might have a good set-up developing for a short term trade, but after reviewing the overall sentiment indicators I subscribe to it is obvious the set-up is not there. In fact, things are deteriorating.

That doesn't mean we can't rally as this is options expiration week and da' boyz can turn this market on a dime if they want to, but risk it way too elevated for us slowing moving TSPers.

Staying G fund.
 
25/75 CS.

AAII is quite bearish, we're oversold and due for a bounce, OPEX tomorrow, inauguration Tuesday, and I have a ST buy signal.

I don't know how long I'll hold this position, but I expect to hold until at least Wednesday. I'd probably only sell if we rally hard between now and then.
 
You crystallized my view almost to the "t." I also saw yesterday that 350z believed that the currency markets were indicating a possible rally. Looked too good to be an "I" fund trade for Friday, so I went all "S."

Gonna shut up now before I jinx myself.
 
Things have been so mixed lately I decided to just sit back and watch for a few days. Still 25/75 CS.

The expectation is we take out the lows or at least all the stops below SPX 799. Good chance we turn it back up after that. If not...:worried::(
 
Some of you know I follow Mark Young on Trader's Talk. I respect his opinion a lot when it comes to market sentiment as well has his perception of how the market views various data points on a day to day basis. This morning he posted this:

From MarketWatch: U.S. existing-home sales rise 6.5% in December as prices fall

"Guys, this is better than I expected.

There's a tsunami of cash about to hit this economy and this market. Maybe the first waves are coming?

Look at gold.

Why didn't they kill it on Friday? They "should" have. It was a no brainer.

Something has changed."

He has been talking about this for awhile, but of course could not put a timeframe on it. It's interesting how the market reacted to it this morning, but it remains to be seen if the rally has legs or it just another opp to sell off.
 
CH,

Can you explain the comments regarding gold? I heard today it was over $900 which is up over the last few weeks. Did the comment mean to drive the price down or up?
 
CH,

Can you explain the comments regarding gold? I heard today it was over $900 which is up over the last few weeks. Did the comment mean to drive the price down or up?

I'm not exactly sure why he mentioned it. I don't follow gold prices or its relationship to the market like I did some time ago. Obviously he saw something that caught his attention.

He worked for one of the big brokerages years ago and has insight into how they operate. He's been talking about lower mortgage rates eventually translating into waves of cash hitting the market. It makes sense, but it's also a matter of timing as far as when we finally turn the corner. I'm waiting for Obama's team to put their plan into motion, which should happen within the next month or so. If the market perceives they are making the right moves and we begin to see some improvement in data points, that may signal a bottom. Of course we still have to deal with the usual bull/bear trading activity, which does not follow fundamentals.

I'm looking for one more leg lower that makes a new and final low. I think that may be the signal that a longer term move back up is about to begin. It could be well below the low we put in in November too. Many folks may not recognize when that final low happens because they'll be so programed to bear market rules that it'll take them quite a while to trust the market again.
 
Coolhand,
I am currently 100S. Are you planning to move out of the stock funds end-of-month to take advantage of the two IFTs of February? Based on your viewpoint, do you see the jobs numbers coming out on Feb 6 or Feb 8, as the catalyst for a new leg down, or are you considering other more important issues or data? Tia, have a good day, and Good Luck!

Things have been so mixed lately I decided to just sit back and watch for a few days. Still 25/75 CS.

The expectation is we take out the lows or at least all the stops below SPX 799. Good chance we turn it back up after that. If not...:worried::(
 
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