Birchtree's Account Talk

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I'm searching for that small blessing today - the transports closed their January 2008 low at 4140.29, today we closed at 4177.18. And it was due mostly to hedge fund and margin call selling which has been forced panic and emotion. I've watched these hedge funds pull this irrational panic on several occasions during the last few years - wait until they are ready to buy back in, there won't be room enough for the little guy. I still say if we see some bank write-ups in 4Q the shorts will bleed. I'm hanging tight and don't want to miss a point. As an investor in this environment I'm a buy and holder.
 
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I'm searching for that small blessing today - the transports closed their January 2008 low at 4140.29, today we closed at 4177.18. And it was due mostly to hedge fund and margin call selling which has been forced panic and emotion. I've watched these hedge funds pull this irrational panic on several occasions during the last few years - wait until they are ready to buy back in, there won't be room enough for the little guy. I still say if we see some bank write-ups in 4Q the shorts will bleed. I'm hanging tight and don't want to miss a point. As an investor in this environment I'm a buy and holder.

It's pretty obvious some funds are liquidating....because some things just don't make sense. If we have a better than expected jobs report Friday, look out above!
 
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Tom is doing an excellent job of providing great information and graphs and saves me time - thankyou Tom. You mentioned the threshold of misery and I believe I reached mine back in July when my oceanic account bombed me out to the tune of $300K - that level has now reached $470K and I don't feel any different. I'm capable of handling it but with a certain amount of trepidation. So to me this is really not a loss but rather a devaluation because my asset base is still intact and providing income. Yesterday I took in 12 dividends for dividend reinvestment - that's my saving grace. So I'll continue to bump my butt on the bottom and we'll see what happens on the next bull leg. I just wish I could get my hands on another couple hundred thousand because now is the time to add to an already existing pain level - but I've already spent most of my ammo and now I have to remain satisfied because this low point won't last.
 
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I reached mine in July when my oceanic account bombed me out to the tune of $300K - that level has now reached $470K and I don't feel any different.

That's because it works in reverse; which is surprising - but true.

Once you cross the bridge (where ever that may be) the rest is just an added cushion but doesn't really take you any further.

If you were like me (and the overwhelming bulk) you started on the other side of the bridge and only after years of saving and wise investments did you get to the bridge and all the more get across.

So Birch - be very grateful that you planned well over the years, and that you wound up where you are.


BTW - Why are the Markets Tanking ???
 
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Here's a little something for those of us deep in it up to our chins. An article with information from Jason Zweig of TWSJ dated 10/04. Summon Your Courage and Buy Stocks.

"Add it all up, and it is hard not to be bullish. As an intelligent investor, you must always ask: What is my edge? What information or skill do I possess that the people on the other side of the trade don't. In normal times, that is a high hurdle. Today, however, you need only two things in order to have an automatic edge: cash and courage.

Normally, as a buyer you have to compete with a lot of very, very smart competitors. But many of the smartest people are on the sidelines now because of redemptions, margin calls or panicked out of their mind selling. So you don't have to be as smart as you did before. You just have to be in the game.

That is because investments every where are priced as if the whole solar system were going out of business. U.S. stocks have lost 24% since Jan. 1; foreign stocks are off 32%; emerging markets, nearly 40%; junk bonds are down 13%; even municipal bonds have fallen almost 10%. Money is pouring into U.S. Treasury debt - so much so that stocks now offer more income than bonds do. The dividend yield on the DJIA is currently at 3.09%, higher than the 2.68% yield on the five-year Treasury note.

With so many professional money managers afraid to act, with most of the public in the grip of fear and anger, you should put your cash and your courage to work. If you have no cash, use your courage: Rebalance by selling a little of anything that's gone up and buying more of whatever's gone down.

If you have both cash and courage, make a list of 10 stocks you've always wanted to own at "the right price". Chances are, they are cheap. Better yet, think of an investment category you've long wanted to venture into, like emerging markets. Chances are, it is on sale. Just about everything is."

Personally I just sent Merrill $35K to keep me in the game without having to sell any assets at this time. I've bought this turkey all the way down and there is no reason to cut and run at this late stage - I'll keep adding to my pain level now that I'm already past my threshold of misery. These prices are truly golden for the brave at heart.
 
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Is there a God? I do not know. Is man immortal? I do not know. One thing I do know, and that is, that neither hope, nor fear, belief, nor denial, can change the fact. It is as it is, and it will be as it must be.
Robert G. Ingersoll

Birchtree;185372[B said:
[/b] (Re: Any Other Agnostics Out There?)I'm an agnostic. That's just the way it is.
 
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Here's a little something for those of us deep in it up to our chins. An article with information from Jason Zweig of TWSJ dated 10/04. Summon Your Courage and Buy Stocks.

"Add it all up, and it is hard not to be bullish. As an intelligent investor, you must always ask: What is my edge? What information or skill do I possess that the people on the other side of the trade don't. In normal times, that is a high hurdle. Today, however, you need only two things in order to have an automatic edge: cash and courage.

Normally, as a buyer you have to compete with a lot of very, very smart competitors. But many of the smartest people are on the sidelines now because of redemptions, margin calls or panicked out of their mind selling. So you don't have to be as smart as you did before. You just have to be in the game.

That is because investments every where are priced as if the whole solar system were going out of business. U.S. stocks have lost 24% since Jan. 1; foreign stocks are off 32%; emerging markets, nearly 40%; junk bonds are down 13%; even municipal bonds have fallen almost 10%. Money is pouring into U.S. Treasury debt - so much so that stocks now offer more income than bonds do. The dividend yield on the DJIA is currently at 3.09%, higher than the 2.68% yield on the five-year Treasury note.

With so many professional money managers afraid to act, with most of the public in the grip of fear and anger, you should put your cash and your courage to work. If you have no cash, use your courage: Rebalance by selling a little of anything that's gone up and buying more of whatever's gone down.

If you have both cash and courage, make a list of 10 stocks you've always wanted to own at "the right price". Chances are, they are cheap. Better yet, think of an investment category you've long wanted to venture into, like emerging markets. Chances are, it is on sale. Just about everything is."

Personally I just sent Merrill $35K to keep me in the game without having to sell any assets at this time. I've bought this turkey all the way down and there is no reason to cut and run at this late stage - I'll keep adding to my pain level now that I'm already past my threshold of misery. These prices are truly golden for the brave at heart.

It doesn't take Courage to buy stocks and what I have learned is the stock market is also built up on hype and a group of thugs that would kill for every penny we have.

I posted earlier what made Apple a $200 stock (HYPE) it is now $97 and no one is buying so I asked around and used a Baseball Card as an example. In 1999 a Mark McGwire rookie card was worth $4000 how do I know I sold 5 of them. Today that same card is worth $1.50 it was all (HYPE). Same as any other baseball cards & all stocks "It is only worth what someone is will to pay"

Was this Stock Market the same as the housing market and the same as that Mark McGwire baseball card. Maybe there is a buyer for Apple and sure it looks good at $97 but maybe it;s only true value is $35.

I am sure that anyone who paid $4000 for a baseball card and saw it bottom out thought it was a good investment at that time buy what they found in less than a year was no one wanted that card just like this market no one wants to buy a stock today that looks like a great deal but is it.

Who knows Apple may move to $300 a share if folks are willing to pay that price but I don't see that stock at $200 for a long time if ever. Remember if no one wants it or worse it becomes nothing more than a home that was overpriced or marked-up 300% or that baseball card that was marked up on hype then Apple could be a $35 stock.

Why did the Baseball Card World collapse (FRAUD) dealers selling fake cards and inflated their value on top of that. Why did the Housing Market collapse (FRAUD) and when there is a lack of trust in any company and more important every Bank then no one will pay any price unless their are very strong regulations that are actually enforced. Martha Stewart went to jail and wait for the long list that will be out soon as the Feds build their case. Why did the Stock Market drop (FRAUD)

The last person holding those McGwire baseball cards are holding $1.50 piece of cardboard. It isn't me and I don't want to be that person holding Apple or any stock until we all know what wa going on behind closed doors.

I sold AIG at $71 and yes I made some good money a year ago I started buying in AIG in 1992 right until 1997 and held the stock I was thinking of buying on the dip but didn't I had a house built on the lot of land I own a 4 BR Home and paid cash no a dime was financed. I Thank God I did not buy back in.

The value of my home can drop and I could care less because I am not selling and never planned to.

What this market crash fails to talk about is they claim it was the lenders fault. That to me is total B.S. I remember Pres. Bush saying more Americans own their homes today than ever before and that was in 2005. It was a system the American People used and abused. This was the EEO policy of Freddie and Fannie. No job, no income, no credit where do I sign and it happened over and over and now those same people want a break because they were taken advantage of. That is a lie these people took advantage and also used the system.

If there were legitimate home owners that actually had a job, good credit and somehow they found themselves over their heads those are the folks that should be given an opportunity. Maybe someone got laid off or someone was ill and for those people I have no problem but I do not and will not support some Affirmative Action Housing Program backed by Obama (ACORN) and Congress to give more handouts to those who were not qualified in the first place.

It wasn't Oil that took this Country down it was people like Barney Frank and the scum at LEH, Goldman, Bear and Co. but #1. Fannie & Freddie.
 
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I don't think people should be considered "home owners" until their mortgage is paid off.

I'm not a big fan of our public (government) school system but I think exit exams are a good idea. I think it should be expanded so that before a student is allowed to graduate high school they should be required to take and pass a personal finance class.

Even if you dropped out of school, there should be a requirement that before anyone is allowed a credit card, auto loan, mortgage or any loan that they have proof that they have taken and passed a personal finance class.
 
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It doesn't take Courage to buy stocks and what I have learned is the stock market is also built up on hype and a group of thugs that would kill for every penny we have.

I posted earlier what made Apple a $200 stock (HYPE) it is now $97 and no one is buying so I asked around and used a Baseball Card as an example. In 1999 a Mark McGwire rookie card was worth $4000 how do I know I sold 5 of them. Today that same card is worth $1.50 it was all (HYPE). Same as any other baseball cards & all stocks "It is only worth what someone is will to pay"

Was this Stock Market the same as the housing market and the same as that Mark McGwire baseball card. Maybe there is a buyer for Apple and sure it looks good at $97 but maybe it;s only true value is $35.

I am sure that anyone who paid $4000 for a baseball card and saw it bottom out thought it was a good investment at that time buy what they found in less than a year was no one wanted that card just like this market no one wants to buy a stock today that looks like a great deal but is it.

Who knows Apple may move to $300 a share if folks are willing to pay that price but I don't see that stock at $200 for a long time if ever. Remember if no one wants it or worse it becomes nothing more than a home that was overpriced or marked-up 300% or that baseball card that was marked up on hype then Apple could be a $35 stock.

Why did the Baseball Card World collapse (FRAUD) dealers selling fake cards and inflated their value on top of that. Why did the Housing Market collapse (FRAUD) and when there is a lack of trust in any company and more important every Bank then no one will pay any price unless their are very strong regulations that are actually enforced. Martha Stewart went to jail and wait for the long list that will be out soon as the Feds build their case. Why did the Stock Market drop (FRAUD)

The last person holding those McGwire baseball cards are holding $1.50 piece of cardboard. It isn't me and I don't want to be that person holding Apple or any stock until we all know what wa going on behind closed doors.

I sold AIG at $71 and yes I made some good money a year ago I started buying in AIG in 1992 right until 1997 and held the stock I was thinking of buying on the dip but didn't I had a house built on the lot of land I own a 4 BR Home and paid cash no a dime was financed. I Thank God I did not buy back in.

The value of my home can drop and I could care less because I am not selling and never planned to.

What this market crash fails to talk about is they claim it was the lenders fault. That to me is total B.S. I remember Pres. Bush saying more Americans own their homes today than ever before and that was in 2005. It was a system the American People used and abused. This was the EEO policy of Freddie and Fannie. No job, no income, no credit where do I sign and it happened over and over and now those same people want a break because they were taken advantage of. That is a lie these people took advantage and also used the system.

If there were legitimate home owners that actually had a job, good credit and somehow they found themselves over their heads those are the folks that should be given an opportunity. Maybe someone got laid off or someone was ill and for those people I have no problem but I do not and will not support some Affirmative Action Housing Program backed by Obama (ACORN) and Congress to give more handouts to those who were not qualified in the first place.

It wasn't Oil that took this Country down it was people like Barney Frank and the scum at LEH, Goldman, Bear and Co. but #1. Fannie & Freddie.

Kevin D made a good point the banks own the home until it's paid in full. The lenders are basically tenants and right now based upon the real facts of what Freddie & Fannie are all about then those who lived there need to move and get an apartment. My God most put no money down so they didn't lose a cent we will "Joe 6 Pack" The same people who are called upon to bail them out. Sounds cold but IMO I say throw them out.

If these Banks were smart they would hire contractors to repair and fix these homes and then have auctions across America. Payment is 50% up front and in order to be in this program you can not sell the home for 15 years. Give a low fixed interest rate of 5%. It's a better plan then what they have now which is NONE !!!
 
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I don't think people should be considered "home owners" until their mortgage is paid off.

That's what I keep telling everyone. I don't own a home, the bank does. My wife thinks that's too depressing.
 
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JTH,

You want good news - there ain't no good news buddy. There is only excellent pricing. You probably have never seen an $11.00 price on the C fund. I've gone from buying 55 shares every two weeks to 73 shares every two weeks - how great is that for a long term buy and holder. The objective still is to accumulate as many shares as possible because that's where the money over time is made. I've been wrong all the way down but I'm staying strong and sitting tight. My tugboat is devalued to the tune of $229K or better but my oceanic has been devalued over twice that amount - and the fact remains my asset base is still intact and producing income that will be reinvested on a set schedule. I've been hammered down like a fine piece of silver but I've been on this ride several times over the years and they all end up the same - a raucas rally is on the way, perhaps to the tune of 1,000 points. I just transfered $100K into my oceanic account and will be buying as we settle - I'm a lot closer to the bottom now than July 15th and pricing is golden that will eventually be realized two years from now when I look back on today. Now truly is the time to step up when no one else has the courage - that's how I've always made my gains.
 
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JTH,

You want good news - there ain't no good news buddy. There is only excellent pricing. You probably have never seen an $11.00 price on the C fund. I've gone from buying 55 shares every two weeks to 73 shares every two weeks - how great is that for a long term buy and holder. The objective still is to accumulate as many shares as possible because that's where the money over time is made. I've been wrong all the way down but I'm staying strong and sitting tight. My tugboat is devalued to the tune of $229K or better but my oceanic has been devalued over twice that amount - and the fact remains my asset base is still intact and producing income that will be reinvested on a set schedule. I've been hammered down like a fine piece of silver but I've been on this ride several times over the years and they all end up the same - a raucas rally is on the way, perhaps to the tune of 1,000 points. I just transfered $100K into my oceanic account and will be buying as we settle - I'm a lot closer to the bottom now than July 15th and pricing is golden that will eventually be realized two years from now when I look back on today. Now truly is the time to step up when no one else has the courage - that's how I've always made my gains.

Fear is irrational and that is why nothing is making sense right now. I believe in your 1000 pt rally prediction. Just wait until the dust settles and absolute disaster is averted. Then everyone will rabidly be buying stocks, a panic "buying" if you will. :D
 
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And don't forget the Christmas Shoppers.
We can always count on them to help out.











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