Any Other Agnostics Out There?

Miss Piggy said:
Gee, it was pleasant to find others believe as I do.
But "Good Ol' Birch" - who would have thought! I'll have to give him an extra acknowledgement for that one -

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Why?..cuz he'll burn in eternal damnation as you..I guess misery does love company...

This thread is pathetic.
 
From the looks of the futures and the OSM we all probably need to go to church next Sunday. God help us.
 
Gee, it was pleasant to find others believe as I do.
But "Good Ol' Birch" - who would have thought! I'll have to give him an extra acknowledgement for that one -
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Is faith a matter of will? Or does it come all on its own? I don't see how one can force one's self to believe, or learn to believe. It is either there or it is not. I plan to see the movie if and when I get the chance. Maybe on DVD in a while.
 
Show-me said:
I don't have the answers and I am not a very good Christian ....My main point is that the Bible is a very good set of standards to live by even if you do not have faith or belief in God.
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I beg to differ with you on just one point, my friend. My sense of things is that you are a very good Christian. Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit...." :)

Lady
 
I do not question the existence of God. But rather, I question all religious circles that claim to have received a divine authority or directive from Him. That leaves no one left.

Therefore, I shall continue to strive after God as I see Him and as He reveals Himself to me , and not after established religion's many interpretations or 'revelations' of Him.
 
I don't have the answers and I am not a very good Christian but...... One thought I am thinking this beautiful Sunday morning as I suck up a hot cup of coffee in the brisk air of Missouri.

This is a Country founded by people who "In God We Trust" and wrote the foundation of our laws and rights based on those beliefs and faith. I believe we prospered due to that foundation. The larger we become and the more we have moved away from God, it seems the worse our Nation is doing.

I am reminded of these because of the movie Seven. Seven Deadly Sins: LUST, GLUTTONY, GREED, SLOTH, WRATH, ENVY, PRIDE. Porn, rape, sex slaves, prostitution, over weight, stroke, heart failure, diabetes, economy, politics, golden parachute, laziness, entitlement programs, welfare, food stamps, drugs, road rage, cell phone rage, standing in line rage, rage at a little league game, wanting what everyone else has and using credit to get it, etc. God will not come down and twist your arm into not doing them, but there are consequences in them all.

The Ten Commandments, again not a bad set of standards to live by.

I know, I know it is a horrible argument to make to a agnostic or atheist because it requires no proof just faith and to believe. My main point is that the Bible is a very good set of standard to live by even if you do not have faith or belief in God.

Maybe the worst is yet to come. Look back at Rome and see how they fell. See ya at Church.;)
 
Did you hear about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac who stayed awake all night wondering if there was a Dog? :D

Lady
 
James48843 said:
You are right- I can't prove his existence to you. Only He can do that.
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And if he doesn't exist, he can't do that.
Ask Him to show you His evidence. You may be surprised. I know I was.
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Just out of curiosity, what was the evidence that you were shown, and why did you attribute it to an omnipotent deity as opposed to coincidence, nature, or some other readily available explanation? Or was it simply a chain of events you couldn't understand or comprehend, so it just got thrown into the realm of the Almighty? Or was it something entirely different? I'm not terribly interested in the "what" regarding others' beliefs; I'm much more interested in the "why" - because I believe "why?" is the most fundamental question of existence.
It is interesting we can discuss, with civil discourse here, the two major things you don't discuss with co-workers- God and Politics.
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A lot of this has to do with who is participating in the discussion and what the mentality is. If you enter a discussion to express your opinion / belief *and* are willing to hear others' views without jumping down their throats and telling them they're morons, a healthy discussion can take place. I'm naturally curious about a lot of things (which is why I dwell in the realm of science), so it's difficult to have a knock-down / drag-out type of argument with me. :)
Both are topics that we should share with one another.
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Agreed.
 
I am not an Agnostic. I belive there is a God, and Jesus Christ is his son. However, I also believe that those outside of my beliefs are not eternally dammed simply because they follow the Great Spirit, or Buddah, or any of the others who show a Way to a virtuous life that are not Jesus or if they are agnostic, as long as they follow a virtuous life. As one evangelical told me, we as Christians cannot say where they will go after death because we simply Don't Know (too bad I met him years ago when I was in High School or else I would have gotten his card!). For me to believe in eternal damnation would be for me to not honor my great grand-mother and father, and those before them who did not know of the Way, and for me that's breaking one of the 10 commandments. So I am Christian, but what I think is open thinking along the lines that the Bible have taught me, makes me heretical to many others to the point that I have not found a place.
 
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Back to Maher, why don't he do a film on Hollywood or the Left Coast. Now there would be a film.
Mike said:
I'm an agnostic but don't really like Maher. You could make a movie about any group of people and find enough idiots in that group to make fun of them in order to make a larger point about the group. That doesn't really make a movie funny or insightful - it just makes it selectively vicious and likely serves no constructive purpose whatsoever.

As for why I'm agnostic, I don't think you can prove to me that God exists. You also can't prove he doesn't. There simply isn't sufficient evidence.
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Mike said:
As for why I'm agnostic, I don't think you can prove to me that God exists. You also can't prove he doesn't. There simply isn't sufficient evidence.
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You are right- I can't prove his existence to you. Only He can do that.
Ask Him to show you His evidence. You may be surprised. I know I was.


That said-

It is interesting we can discuss, with civil discourse here, the two major things you don't discuss with co-workers- God and Politics.

Both are topics that we should share with one another.
 
I believe there is a God. I also believe that there are many things which are beyond man's capability to understand. For those things, faith must fill the void.
-P Doyle Brown/budnipper1

-Thomas Henry Huxley(1825 – 1895) came up with the word ‘agnostic’ while searching for a term to describe his own beliefs. He did not consider himself “an atheist, a theist, a pantheist; a materialist or an idealist; [nor] a Christian…” and while he had much in common with freethinkers, he wanted a term to describe himself more accurately. His difference with the people who gave themselves the above labels was that he did not feel certain of his knowledge- or ‘gnosis’- that he “had successfully solved the problem of existence.”

Huxley defined agnosticism as follows, and this is perhaps, the truest definition of the term today: “… it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.” It is not merely a matter of whether or not one knows if God exists, but it is a matter of whether one can objectively define his belief, whether in God or in anything else.

No philosophical theory which I have yet come across is a radical improvement on the words of Genesis, that 'In the beginning God made Heaven and Earth'.
-C.S. Lewis


If God were small enough to be understood, He would not be big enough to be worshiped.
-Evelyn Underhill
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I'm an agnostic but don't really like Maher. You could make a movie about any group of people and find enough idiots in that group to make fun of them in order to make a larger point about the group. That doesn't really make a movie funny or insightful - it just makes it selectively vicious and likely serves no constructive purpose whatsoever.

As for why I'm agnostic, I don't think you can prove to me that God exists. You also can't prove he doesn't. There simply isn't sufficient evidence.
 
I find Religion has a lot in common with Governmental Training Programs.
Ultimately, each one of us with be faced with the same conflicts;​

REALITY VS. EXPECTATIONS VS. TRAINING​


:)​
 
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