Any Other Agnostics Out There?

malyla said:
I do believe that Jesus was a real man and that he had some very powerful things to say, but whether he was the son of God. Who knows for sure?

Malyla
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I'm glad you believe he was a real man.

I guess the only way we could possibly know for sure is by reading all the predictions about Jesus before he was born. If these predictions were verifiably written during a period of history that preceeded his birth - then the likelihood of him being all he was predicted to be are hugely and undeniably real. The more predictions over the years (say 400 distinct predictions) the more likely that only one person could possibly be what was claimed about him - and all the more the odds that person alone could ever be the one.

The only ones who know for sure are those that in total faith have died to themselves and completey found themselves in his spirit.

So it all comes down to faith - but faith can not be proven to anyone else - and therefore who can know??

If God is real - mankind would have to refer to God in terms that reduce God to our understanding. In all liklihood Male (or female) and all the things that make us different - do not apply to God.
 
I thought it meant 'so to for you'.

Birch,

Just when I am ready to write off any chance that we will stand on common ground, you surprise me with your comments here. It's nice to be pleasently surprised about someone you have had run-ins with in the past.

I have done a lot of reading on this subject of 'is there a God' and still can't say one way or another. I do believe that Jesus was a real man and that he had some very powerful things to say, but whether he was the son of God is as likely as saying that we are all the sons and daughters of God. Who knows for sure? The few things I have discovered is that many real meanings attributed to Jesus and God have been obsured or forgotten by time. My reading lead to the real meaning behind "Turn the other cheek" (hint: it doesn't mean you walk away) and why the orthodox Jewish religion does not eat pork (not a health issue). Also the old testament has many issues, such as being able to beat your wife with a stick no thicker than your thumb, plus the many reasons a person can be put to the death.

Is there a God in the Judeo/Christian sense? I don't think so, however, Mother Earth is an amazing place, full of wonder and life and if people want to believe that an all powerful (male) entity runs it, well who am I to condemn them (that is until they do it to me first).

I look forward to being surprised more in the future.

Malyla
 
Birchtree said:
Now if our friend Buster wants to offer me condemnation to the fires of hell I'll simply say to him - STFU. I cannot count the number of death situations I've encountered over the last forty years and never have I seen any divine intervention. These situations include the battle field, emergency rooms, intensive care units, operating rooms and emergency codes. I have participated in it all and neither Jesus or Allah were paramont. You are free to believe as you like. I was a Catholic alter boy for two years when I was a young teen and I have not been in a Church since 1969 and you can blame Vietnam for that and I have no intention of ever going back. My daughter will be married next year and I'll go into a church for her because that is what she desires.
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2nd Peter 3:8-10 - But you should never lose sight of this fact, dear friends, that time is not the same with the Lord as it is with us - to him a day may be a thousand years, and a thousand years only a day. It is not that he is dilatory about keeping his own promise as some men seem to think; the fact is that he is very patient towards you. He has no wish that any man should be destroyed. He wishes that all men should come to repent. Yet it remains true that the day of the Lord will come as suddenly and unexpectedly as a thief. In that day the heavens will disappear in a terrific tearing blast, the very elements will disintegrate in heat and the earth and all that is in it will be burnt up to nothing. (J B Phillips New Testament)
 
budnipper1 said:
Sorry if this offended you. My comment wasn't meant towards you or to Birch either. I probably should have just kept it to myself.
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Thanks budnipper. But no apologies necessary here. This thread, along with the election thread, came with a warning that anyone easily offended should stay away.

I don't think buster was offended anyway. He's pretty tough and seems to be just spreading the word. It's all good.
 
I wish You all could see the smile on my face..I take nothing serious as the internet is hard to convey my smart ass joking tone of voice...It's just me, and like the aggies here..I won't change..:D:D:D:D
 
Buster said:
To Birch and Bud and all your friends, I say unto you all:

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)
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Buster, I think you took my little comment the wrong way. I had to google stfu to learn what it meant and thought it was funny. Sorry if this offended you. My comment wasn't meant towards you or to Birch either. I probably should have just kept it to myself.
 
To Birch and Bud and all your friends alike, I say unto you all:

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)
 
Now if our friend Buster wants to offer me condemnation to the fires of hell I'll simply say to him - STFU. I cannot count the number of death situations I've encountered over the last forty years and never have I seen any divine intervention. These situations include the battle field, emergency rooms, intensive care units, operating rooms and emergency codes. I have participated in it all and neither Jesus or Allah were paramont. You are free to believe as you like. I was a Catholic alter boy for two years when I was a young teen and I have not been in a Church since 1969 and you can blame Vietnam for that and I have no intention of ever going back. My daughter will be married next year and I'll go into a church for her because that is what she desires.
 
Maher will get his in the end. After seeing him a couple of times, I don't waste my time with trash like him. His kind would be the first to have their heads lopped off by the muslim fanatics, that currently support our socialist candidate for prez.

CB
 
Greg said:
I never heard Maher speak out about these guys.
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This was the first result in my Google search with just Maher and Wright in the search field. They are sooo tricky sometimes where they hide these nuggets of information!
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Bill Maher Offers Reverend Wright Anatomical Criticism
By Tim Graham
April 30, 2008 - 05:54 ET

Andrew Malcolm of The Los Angeles Times Top of the Ticket blog suggested that Bill Maher on HBO "says what many people, most of them supporters of Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, who refused to disown Wright in his recent race speech, are saying to themselves about the impact of the pastor's reappearance and resulting news coverage," but have "many" been this vivid?

I saw Reverend Wright. This is the guy that Obama did not throw under the bus. He said ‘you know what, I can no more repudiate him than I can repudiate my family.’ And I saw this guy the other night, who I also defended, Reverend Wright, saying ‘you know what, Obama was just being a politician.’ You know what, Reverend Wright? You’re a dick. [Laughter] What a dick. At the very moment Obama doesn’t need this to come back into the race. Obama did not disown him. That this guy brings up the one thing Obama cannot afford to have brought up, that he’s just another politician. This is his whole campaign, that I’m a different kind of politician.

That probably sounds like the view of "many people" in the news rooms of the national media. I’d say the real shock is that Bill Maher ever defended a Reverend, someone Maher would 99 times out of 100 scorn as a peddler of toxic fairy tales.

Arianna Huffington stayed stubbornly on Maher's left: "However bad Reverend Wright is or is not, what does it have to do ultimately with whether Barack Obama would be a good president or not?" She called it "another major distraction."

Apparently, Wright hasn't said anything that offends her yet. He's made fun of the way the Kennedys speak English, but he has yet to extend his comedy stylings to an Arianna impression.
 
Miss Piggy said:
Thanks Mike, I was about to commit hari-kari for my foolishness.

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Yeah, don't commit suicide...that's as bad as Murder and you will go to Hell for either.
 
Miss Piggy said:
Thanks Mike, I was about to commit hari-kari for my foolishness.

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No, no, no, Miss Piggy! We should be able to have civilized discussions about these things. In fact, there are days I count on these "make you think about it" discussions to keep the Alheimers at bay. :cheesy:

I was just trying to calm someone down before there was a blood vessel rupture, without getting too pointed about it. :o

You just keep on keepin' on,
Lady
 
Funny how Maher chose to target mainly "turn the other cheek Christians" instead of "cut your head off" Islamics. Coward.
 
Please, folks, let's everyone take a deep breath and step back here. Maybe we ought to leave it at that old saying, "There are no atheists in foxholes." :o

When we're being shelled so heavily from the outside, there is no reason to try to frag each other. :worried:

Lady
 
In your contemptuous attempt to blaspheme the name Of God by comparing him to Santa Claus...Makes this thread even more Pathetic..



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St. Nicholas
Artist: Susan Seals
Used by permission The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.

Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day.
Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38

I hope all you Atheists ans agnostics don't celebrate Christmas or take the day off as a Holiday..otherwise you are being a hypocrite.
 
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