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Poolman,

I could be wrong, but I think this bill is done. They will probably make a few changes, put a new shade of lipstick on it, and give it to the house again for a vote. I don't know if they can get her done by Thursday.

I lost today in the C Fund but have to laugh these are our elected leaders. The "Best of the Best" I hope America is wide awake now. We elect fools and they don't ever care about you or me.

This bill was a joke imagine the Republicans had to fight to get Acorn removed from it (might as well have Resco in charge of those funds). Now it's the blame game as the market drops....Incredible. You would think someone would take a stand and fix the damn bill since it did not pass as McCain stated there was not enough votes. It looks like the Dems held back votes to make it look like the Republicans were voting the same so when it failed and it sure would the Dems could blame the Repubs and the Repubs would do the same.

Final points why take a vote when you know there is a good bet there aren't enough votes ?? Why did Pelosi take that final bash at Republicans before the vote ?? Looks to me it was a set up and this was to make the Republicans and McCain look bad and Obama look good and basically FU to all of America. Imagine Barney Frank who was in bed with Fannie/Freddie and all the boys trying to claim he was looking our for us.:mad:

The dow drops 777 what luck !!!:nuts:
 
Thanks, I am totally against this Bill. I'm trying to also follow the money. In all Honesty I hope the Bill fails again but They are going to try like crazy to stabilize the market's. Some will cave when we go down another 2000 point's and that is totally possible. Wall street is crying like a baby
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and I wonder how low they will take it.

I say let the market's figure this out and the Bank's fail. I don't want to start a rant but this bubble has been coming for a long time. I can't believe some didn't see it. :laugh:

I agree. If the Dow goes to 9000 or 10,000, that's the price to be paid for years of excess. The Fed and Congress are trying to sidestep the pain of coming down from years of excess. If you listen to many responsible bank presidents and people applying for loans, you will find that there is plenty of money out there to be loaned - you just need more than a heartbeat to get the loan. I receive at least 4 or 5 letters a week begging me to either sign up for a new credit card or take out a home equity loan. In my opinion, although we will go through some pain in the near term (which the politicians don't want so close to election time), the country will hopefully emerge from this recession with a more realistic attitude towards lifestyles and affordability issues.
 
Me thinks the .gov servers are down or they are blocking me. Can't get to the clerk site, the jig is up buttholes. You're not getting re-elected.
 
I say let the market's figure this out and the Bank's fail. I don't want to start a rant but this bubble has been coming for a long time. I can't believe some didn't see it. :laugh:

They didn't see it because their heads were stuck up their bottoms.:laugh:

A good bill needs to protect the taxpayer. I don't just mean Hank Paulson saying it's going to protect the taxpayers. It needs to be written that the treasury will buy toxic assets at rock bottom prices(10-20 cents on the dollar), which will make it less risky for the taxpayer.

It's common sense. When you buy at the bottom, there is better potential for an upside. Yesterday, the morons on CNBC said that this bill was not a bailout, it's an investment. Who the hell are they kidding? It's a buyer's market and sine we're the ones paying for it, we should be setting the price. If you don't like the price, don't sell. Live with your garbage.
 
Me thinks the .gov servers are down or they are blocking me. Can't get to the clerk site, the jig is up buttholes. You're not getting re-elected.

[SIZE=+2]FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 674[/SIZE](Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)
H R 3997 RECORDED VOTE 29-Sep-2008 2:07 PM
QUESTION: On Concurring in Senate Amendment With An Amendment
BILL TITLE: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes


AyesNoesPRESNVDemocratic14095 Republican65133 1Independent TOTALS2052281


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Ackerman
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Brady (TX)
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Brown, Corrine
Calvert
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Cannon
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Clarke
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Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Tom
DeGette
DeLauro
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Donnelly
Doyle
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Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellison
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
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Foster
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Gilchrest
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Gordon
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Hare
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Herger
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Weller


 
They don't want transparency because it will expose their lies, but they need transparency if they want the credit markets to regain confidence. Sort of a catch 22. That's why they want this bailout.

Folks, remember the super SIV that they tried to create earlier this year? It was suppose to have been an entity for them to dump their toxic assets. It didn't get off the ground because they were told to fund it themselves. This bailout is a version of that super SIV, but funded by the US taxpayer. That is why I am against this bailout. It is a looting of America.

I'm with you on that. They need to adopt Dennison's plan and put the money where and when it is really needed. Without transparency no one will know if the 700B is really going where it's needed. It's going to go to the "Friends of Paulson" as stated earlier.
 
Futures are up nicely tonight and the Nikkei is only down 300 after opening down 500. Who was it that said the world was going to end if congress didn't pass the bailout bill?:rolleyes:
 
PAULSON - AIG/GOLDMAN INVESTIGATION

Odd Pelosi has a huge state in AIG was this the emergency!!!!

YOU KNOW THE FBI IS ON THIS ONE & CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST/.....INSIDE TRADING ??????????????


The firms received cash as AIG borrowed from a Federal Reserve credit line endorsed by Paulson, Goldman’s former chief executive. The insurer had borrowed $44.6 billion from the credit line as of September 25, the Federal Reserve reported that day.
Paulson’s successor at Goldman, Lloyd Blankfein, was the only chief executive at a meeting September 15 at the New York Federal Reserve Bank at which the troubles at AIG were discussed, although representatives of other firms were present, a Fed spokesman said.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=335924

Pelosi, Kerry May Share Pain as AIG Stakes Evaporate (Correct)

By Jonathan D. Salant


(Corrects Sept. 19 story to show Hayes is from North Carolina in 11th paragraph.)
Sept. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The market storm that brought down Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., American International Group Inc. and other pillars of U.S. finance may have also blown holes in the portfolios of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator John Kerry and more than 50 other members of Congress.
Pelosi, in her most recent financial disclosure form, reported that her husband owned between $250,000 and $500,000 of stock in AIG, which ceded majority control to the U.S. government this week in exchange for $85 billion of loans.
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, disclosed that his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, had more than $2 million of AIG stock at the end of 2007, when shares were worth $58.30. AIG has fallen 85 percent this week to close yesterday at $2.69. The lawmakers' aides didn't respond to calls seeking comment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSEtGBXG0C0s&refer=worldwide


Pelosi leads Democrats’ assault on AIG rescue

Posted by willyloman on September 18, 2008

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Wednesday evening unleashed a stinging attack on the Federal Reserve’s decision to rescue the giant insurance firm American International Group Inc.
The Federal Reserve is purchasing an 80 percent stake in AIG and will lend $85 billion to AIG to avert its collapse.
Pelosi did not find fault with Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke for the action he took Tuesday night, nor did she suggest she would have preferred some alternative action.
Pelosi did not answer what she would have done had she been in Bernanke’s shoes.
But she was scathing in her criticism of Bernanke’s rationale.
She said Bernanke had told congressional leaders that action to save AIG had come partly at the behest of central bankers in Europe.

“Their economies depended on our bailing out AIG,” she said. “Why aren’t these foreign institutions participating in this bailout? Where is this money coming from?”
Pelosi sees a ‘rip-off’
She denounced AIG as “a ripoff situation” and unleashed a scathing attack on Wall Street financiers.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/pelosi-leads-democrats-assault-on-aig-rescue/
 
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PAULSON - AIG/GOLDMAN INVESTIGATION

Odd Pelosi has a huge state in AIG was this the emergency!!!!

YOU KNOW THE FBI IS ON THIS ONE & CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST/.....INSIDE TRADING ??????????????


The firms received cash as AIG borrowed from a Federal Reserve credit line endorsed by Paulson, Goldman’s former chief executive. The insurer had borrowed $44.6 billion from the credit line as of September 25, the Federal Reserve reported that day.
Paulson’s successor at Goldman, Lloyd Blankfein, was the only chief executive at a meeting September 15 at the New York Federal Reserve Bank at which the troubles at AIG were discussed, although representatives of other firms were present, a Fed spokesman said.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=335924

Pelosi, Kerry May Share Pain as AIG Stakes Evaporate (Correct)

By Jonathan D. Salant


(Corrects Sept. 19 story to show Hayes is from North Carolina in 11th paragraph.)
Sept. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The market storm that brought down Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., American International Group Inc. and other pillars of U.S. finance may have also blown holes in the portfolios of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator John Kerry and more than 50 other members of Congress.
Pelosi, in her most recent financial disclosure form, reported that her husband owned between $250,000 and $500,000 of stock in AIG, which ceded majority control to the U.S. government this week in exchange for $85 billion of loans.
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, disclosed that his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, had more than $2 million of AIG stock at the end of 2007, when shares were worth $58.30. AIG has fallen 85 percent this week to close yesterday at $2.69. The lawmakers' aides didn't respond to calls seeking comment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSEtGBXG0C0s&refer=worldwide


Pelosi leads Democrats’ assault on AIG rescue

Posted by willyloman on September 18, 2008

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Wednesday evening unleashed a stinging attack on the Federal Reserve’s decision to rescue the giant insurance firm American International Group Inc.
The Federal Reserve is purchasing an 80 percent stake in AIG and will lend $85 billion to AIG to avert its collapse.
Pelosi did not find fault with Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke for the action he took Tuesday night, nor did she suggest she would have preferred some alternative action.
Pelosi did not answer what she would have done had she been in Bernanke’s shoes.
But she was scathing in her criticism of Bernanke’s rationale.
She said Bernanke had told congressional leaders that action to save AIG had come partly at the behest of central bankers in Europe.

“Their economies depended on our bailing out AIG,” she said. “Why aren’t these foreign institutions participating in this bailout? Where is this money coming from?”
Pelosi sees a ‘rip-off’
She denounced AIG as “a ripoff situation” and unleashed a scathing attack on Wall Street financiers.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/pelosi-leads-democrats-assault-on-aig-rescue/

So there is some reading but this is why Pelosi threw Bernanke under the bus and embraced Paulson. I always wondered why the DEMS were on the side of Bush but the fact is they are on the take and I think I stumbled across a very serious CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASE so in order to protect their friends and own investments we lost 1.2 Trillion today. Remember these are not my words but actual reports that tie them directly together.

Paulson should be fired and questioned with Pelosi as to what did this "Emergency Bailout" really set out to accomplish.
 
Thanks for that. I couldn't log onto the clerk.house.gov website either. I'm surprised... Ron Paul voted no??? :D

[SIZE=+2]FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 674[/SIZE](Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

[SIZE=+1]---- NOES 228 ---[/SIZE]

Paul
 
So there is some reading but this is why Pelosi threw Bernanke under the bus and embraced Paulson. I always wondered why the DEMS were on the side of Bush but the fact is they are on the take and I think I stumbled across a very serious CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASE so in order to protect their friends and own investments we lost 1.2 Trillion today. Remember these are not my words but actual reports that tie them directly together.

Paulson should be fired and questioned with Pelosi as to what did this "Emergency Bailout" really set out to accomplish.

Thanks for the article. I hate to sound like a broken record, but as I've said many times, friends of Hank survives, non-friends will be allowed to fail.

Also, MS and GS were just allowed to become banks. Trade accordingly.
 
Thanks for the article. I hate to sound like a broken record, but as I've said many times, friends of Hank survives, non-friends will be allowed to fail.

Also, MS and GS were just allowed to become banks. Trade accordingly.

So, would you say Citi is a friend of Hank or no?
 
So, would you say Citi is a friend of Hank or no?

Yes, I believe so. Just look at the announced deal yesterday on WB.

Here's another thing. If you read the failed bailout bill, you will see a section in there that allows the acquiring bank to sell the acquired bank's bad assets to the treasury for a profit. Think about that one. Then think about all the mergers that have happened or about to happen.

i.e. JPM/BSC, JPM/WM, BAC/MER, BAC/CFC, etc...


In some of those deals, taxpayer's money was used as an incentive. And if that bill had passed, oh boy....you guys get the idea. Just make me sick thinking about it.
 
Yes, I believe so. Just look at the announced deal yesterday on WB.

Here's another thing. If you read the failed bailout bill, you will see a section in there that allows the acquiring bank to sell the acquired bank's bad assets to the treasury for a profit. Think about that one. Then think about all the mergers that have happened or about to happen.

i.e. JPM/BSC, JPM/WM, BAC/MER, BAC/CFC, etc...


In some of those deals, taxpayer's money was used as an incentive. And if that bill had passed, oh boy....you guys get the idea. Just make me sick thinking about it.

I think eventually the bill will get passed. There may be some revisions, but the ultimate goal of helping those profits will still be made. It makes me sick, too, but it might be worthwhile to buy some of those "Hank and Friends" stocks.
 
My 12-pac is empty! Think the ice station will give me 2 12-pacs for the empty cans...................:cheesy:

Just look at the announced deal yesterday on WB.

Here's another thing. If you read the failed bailout bill, you will see a section in there that allows the acquiring bank to sell the acquired bank's bad assets to the treasury for a profit. Think about that one.
 
The RUT is lagging big time. I'm thinking this bounce won't hold. Picked up some SDS at $73.93. Will set a stop to guarantee some profit.
 
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