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WTF???? This is really absurd. Lets see if I understand this.

AIG sells MBS to Fed(apparently nobody else will by them), AIG then makes a payment on it's loan to the Fed, with money that it got from the Fed, for the sale of garbage MBS to the Fed.

Hmmmm....something with this deal doesn't sit right with me.:rolleyes:

Don't worry, it's just a derivative type security, totally safe. :sick: Just ask Mr. Paulson. :suspicious:
 
WTF???? This is really absurd. Lets see if I understand this.

AIG sells MBS to Fed(apparently nobody else will by them), AIG then makes a payment on it's loan to the Fed, with money that it got from the Fed, for the sale of garbage MBS to the Fed.

Hmmmm....something with this deal doesn't sit right with me.:rolleyes:

AIG is planning to sell off much of its life-insurance businesses around the world, as well as its aircraft-leasing unit, in hopes of raising tens of billions of dollars.
In the deal announced Monday, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York made a senior loan to Maiden Lane II to buy the residential mortgage-backed securities for an initial purchase price of $19.8 billion. The six-year loan is secured by the $39.3 billion face amount of the securities and bears interest at one-month LIBOR plus 1%.
AIG's life-insurance units used the $19.8 billion along with available cash and $5.1 billion from AIG in the form of capital contributions to settle outstanding securities-lending transactions under its U.S. securities-lending program.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122938291283108719.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 

American International Group Inc. said its U.S. life-insurance companies sold their interests in a pool of $39.3 billion of residential mortgage-backed securities and used the money to settle outstanding securities-lending transactions.
The residential mortgage-backed securities were sold to Maiden Lane II LLC, a newly formed firm owned by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
"The creation and launch of this financing entity will eliminate the liquidity issues associated with AIG's U.S. securities-lending program," which will help the insurance giant repay its loan from the federal government, said AIG ...
Thank you Show-me.

Where is the outrage with this? They create an "entity" that has a name of it's own, but it's basically the Fed.

They then purchase $39B(mark to fantasy by AIG) worth of MBS for a 50% discount of $19.8B. Wow, taxpayers got a bargain.:rolleyes:

AIG then sends that money right back to the Fed, looking like a good borrower.

The newly formed "entity", Maiden Lane II gets the garbage.

Maiden Lane II = Fed = taxpayers.

What if that pool of MBS was only worth just 10 cents on the dollar, instead of 50 cents on the dollar?
 
Thank you Show-me.

Where is the outrage with this? They create an "entity" that has a name of it's own, but it's basically the Fed.

They then purchase $39B(mark to fantasy by AIG) worth of MBS for a 50% discount of $19.8B. Wow, taxpayers got a bargain.:rolleyes:

AIG then sends that money right back to the Fed, looking like a good borrower.

The newly formed "entity", Maiden Lane II gets the garbage.

Maiden Lane II = Fed = taxpayers.

Wonder how many years(in jail) we would get if we tried that? Sounds like old fashion money laundering to me.

Off topic:
Now the SIPC(sp)? is going to try to return money to the investors of the Madoff rip-off. I suppose they will ask for a bail-out also. :mad:
 
Wonder how many years(in jail) we would get if we tried that? Sounds like old fashion money laundering to me.

Off topic:
Now the SIPC(sp)? is going to try to return money to the investors of the Madoff rip-off. I suppose they will ask for a bail-out also. :mad:


Yup, money laundering indeed.

SIPC? Rich folks trying to get their money back. They have lawyers and politicians in their pockets.

What about us? Most of us lost money in this casino too. Can we get some of our money back?
 
I think AIG was bigger than rich people, more like companies and countries pressuring the U.S. to cover the CDS/insurance or we will stop buying your Treasuries and maybe start redeeming some.
 
Remember that small little publicized comment from the Chinese that hinted that we better get this under control, then bang AIG is owned by the taxpayer. No tarp, no debate, no vote.
 
I think AIG was bigger than rich people, more like companies and countries pressuring the U.S. to cover the CDS/insurance or we will stop buying your Treasuries and maybe start redeeming some.

Remember that small little publicized comment from the Chinese that hinted that we better get this under control, then bang AIG is owned by the taxpayer. No tarp, no debate, no vote.

Good points. I will also add that I think that GS has something to do with it also.

I think we need a revolt so we can hang them all.:D
 
Remember that small little publicized comment from the Chinese that hinted that we better get this under control, then bang AIG is owned by the taxpayer. No tarp, no debate, no vote.

Wonder how much more we can take of all this crap? Our fore-fathers have to be turning in their graves. Hell, they'd probably be organizing a revolution by now.
 
In Ben we trust.

JAPAN'S LOST DECADE
Japan's 'lost decade' could be preview of what's ahead for the U.S.

By Craig Simons
INTERNATIONAL STAFF
Tuesday, December 16, 2008

BEIJING — At the end of the 1980s, Japan was basking in prosperity. Surging exports, including millions of cars to the United States, had pumped up the economy and the value of the yen. The stock market climbed to dizzying heights. Banks loaned money with only cursory background checks. Property prices were so inflated that one report estimated that Tokyo's Imperial Palace was worth more than the state of California.
The story since then, however, has been dismal. Between 1990 and 2005, economic growth slowed to little more than 1 percent annually. Property and stock values collapsed.
The riches-to-rags story has raised concern among experts that the United States could face a similar prolonged recession.
In Japan, the world's largest economy after the United States', bursting property and stock bubbles left banks short of cash and unwilling to lend. Rising unemployment frightened consumers into spending less.
Sound familiar?
Japan's central bank cut the nation's benchmark interest rates — eventually to almost zero — to stimulate lending, but prices continued to fall as demand for goods plummeted.
Today, U.S. Federal Reserve policymakers are expected to cut the short-term borrowing rate from 1 percent to as low as a half-percent.
Many experts see similarities between Japan's crash and prolonged stagnation and the current economic crisis in the United States.
"A lot more people in the United States are vulnerable and exposed" than in Japan in the 1990s, said Jeffrey Kingston, director of Asian Studies at Temple University's Tokyo campus. "Just flooding the market with cheap liquidity is not going to address the feeling of insecurity that most people have."
Mark Metzler, an expert on Japanese economic history at the University of Texas, said Japan's near-zero interest rates did help keep a number of struggling companies afloat by reducing their borrowing costs.
"Was it a good thing? Maybe. It may have prevented worse disruption," he said.
Japan, amid the current global recession, is still trying to dig its way out.
Last week, Prime Minister Taro Aso announced a stimulus package worth about $255 billion to bolster the economy, encouraging new hiring and lending and injecting capital into financial markets.
"We need to implement policies to prevent the economy from falling apart," Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister Kaoru Yosano told reporters in Tokyo.
Since 1991, average Japanese home prices have fallen about 40 percent. In some parts of the United States, housing prices have dropped more than 35 percent, and many economists expect average U.S. home prices to fall for at least another year.
Stock market declines in Japan and the United States were also both steep.
Japan's economic decline was made worse by falling consumer confidence. As unemployment rose and wages fell, people spent less.
Widespread price declines — deflation — resulted as Japan's central bank lowered interest rates to make borrowing money cheaper. The central bank lowered the interest rate almost to zero in 1998.
When prices are falling, persuading people to buy can be hard.
"Once you get caught in a deflationary spiral, it becomes self-reinforcing," said Michael Pettis, an American professor of finance at Peking University in Beijing. "If prices are going down, why should people buy now?"
Some experts worry that the United States could also face deflation.
"The prospects of deflation in America are very real and should be very troubling," Kingston said.
Other analysts have pointed out significant differences between Japan's "lost decade," as the period is known, and the current U.S. recession.
The main difference is that the "speed and aggression of the U.S. response gives hope that it will avoid following the path of Japan in the 1990s," Richard Jerram, an analyst at Australia's Macquarie Research, wrote in a July report.
For example, while Tokyo took years to reduce its short-term borrowing rate to zero, Washington has lowered the rate from 5.25 percent to 1 percent since housing prices began to fall in September 2007.
Another key difference is that Japanese banks were slow to clean up bad loans, making it difficult to lend to profitable businesses.
In his July report, Jerram predicted that the U.S. downturn will be significantly shorter and less severe than Japan's.
But other experts say the United States could face a prolonged recession. Kingston predicted that the United States will not have significant economic growth until at least 2013.
"The Japanese have been listening to commentators tell them about how the economy is going to recover for the last 20 years," he said. "But if you had bought stocks in 1989, you're still more than 75 percent under water."http://www.statesman.com/business/c...1216econjapan.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=3
 
For you currency buffs. This author is predicting the USD/YEN to hit 85 by 2Q 2009.


2009 Dollar Outlook
December 15, 2008

By Stephen Jen & Spyros Andreopoulos | London

Summary and Conclusions

In 2009, assuming that the global economy does find a trough by summer, we see the dollar rallying further into the trough, but underperforming most other currencies as the world recovers in 2H. The swings in the global business cycle will likely be the dominant driver for the dollar. (For the ‘Dollar Smile’, the horizontal axis is the US growth premium over the rest of the G7. This means that the world surges higher on the left side of the Dollar Smile only if the US economy underperforms the G7. As the rest of the world catches up to the flattering US economy, however, the world drifts back down into the ‘gutter’ of the Dollar Smile, eroding the safe-haven bid for the dollar. Only successive downward adjustments in US growth could propel the dollar higher.) Other factors such as US government debt sustainability and the US inflation outlook associated with the Fed’s QE (quantitative easing) operations will likely be secondary considerations, mainly because we believe that US Treasuries will likely remain well-supported while a flare-up in inflation is not a probable risk.
There is no official change to our forecast, and we continue to look for EUR/USD to dip to 1.10 by 2Q, before recovering to 1.20 by end-2009. USD/JPY will likely exhibit a similar U-shaped trajectory, dropping to 85 by 2Q before rising to 100 by end-2009. Most EM currencies will likely experience intense depreciation pressures vis-à-vis the USD in 1H. Differentiation at the EM country level will likely be unproductive in the sell-off phase. But in the recovery phase, country-specific factors will likely drive a wedge between the currencies of the ‘good’ from the ‘bad’ economies.
Resurrecting our ‘Four Seasons’ Framework
In thinking about how currencies might be affected by large swings in the global business cycle, it is important to consider both the real side (the real economy) and the financial side (the buoyancy of the global equity markets) factors. In other words, exchange rates are not only functions of the relative economic growth rate, but are also sensitive to general levels of risk appetite, which, in our view, are correlated with the buoyancy of the world’s equity markets. We illustrate a simple framework we have been using for some time (see Currency Implications of a Slowdown in the US, September 6, 2007).
On the horizontal axis, we show the relative strength of the global economy. To the right, the global economy is strong. To the left, we have slow global growth. On the vertical axis, we show the buoyancy of global equity markets. Since financial markets tend to be ‘forward-looking’ and anticipatory, when the world plunges into a recession, earnings forecasts are cut and risk-taking curtailed, and equity prices would be likely to fall as a result, ahead of the actual contraction in economic activities.
Thus, we have traced out the path A-B-C to convey the notion that equity markets will fall before the global economy reaches its trough. (As the stock market moves faster than the economy, we move along path A-B-C rather than directly from A-C.) Following on from this, as the global economy climbs out of a recession, equity markets could anticipate this outcome and path C-D-A would then be likely. We call this framework the Economic and Financial Life Cycle, or the ‘Four Seasons’ framework for currencies.
Through the Economic and Financial Business Cycle, we should see four ‘seasons’ – summer, fall, winter and spring – corresponding to the four quadrants as indicated. Since equities have already declined substantially, yet a synchronous global recession has just begun (in light of the fact that Asian export growth began to falter only in September 2008), we mark where the world is in this stylised chart. We expect to reach point C by 2Q09, with the global equity markets poised to anticipate an economic recovery.
To help us think about the implications for currencies, we first calculated the historical correlations between various currencies (vis-à-vis the dollar) relative to economic growth and the equity markets. Different currencies tended to perform best in different ‘seasons’, or ‘comfort zones’. We suggested that high-beta currencies such as many of the AXJ currencies should belong to the top-right (‘summer’) or the top-left (‘spring’) quadrant, while the currencies of large capital-surplus countries, such as JPY and CHF, should be in ‘winter’ or ‘fall’. By and large, simple correlations of exchange rate performances relative to global growth and global financial market buoyancy are consistent with these broad prejudices. (Please see Appendix 1 for more detail on these calculations and how these relationships have changed over time.) The distance of these currency cells away from the origin denotes the size of the elasticities.
Several modifications will need to be made to this chart. First, we believe that EUR and CHF should underperform the dollar as we enter the ‘winter’ quadrant, due to European and Swiss banks’ exposure to EE. JPY, on the other hand, could be supported by acute repatriation flows as we head into ‘winter’.
Call 1. The dollar to strengthen first, and weaken later. At the turn of each year, there is a temptation for analysts like ourselves to make one call on the dollar for the entire calendar year (i.e., a strong or weak dollar ‘year’). However, more often than not, currencies don’t change trends on January 1 of each year. 2008 is a good example: the dollar did not begin to show strength until May against AXJ currencies and July against the EUR; in the first few months of 2008, the dollar was extraordinarily weak. For 2009, we see the opposite trends: dollar strength in the first months, followed by possible dollar weakness in 2H. We see the world toggling through ‘winter’ and ‘spring’ in 2009, with a risk that ‘winter’ may last longer than 1H, and ‘summer’ may come in 2010 or later. Thus, the point is that we will be buying dollars and JPY into 1H, but with a view to flip our positions some time in 2Q, in anticipation of an economic recovery in the world.
Call 2. EM currencies will be stressed in 1H. The global EM currency ‘moment’ is not over, in our view. In fact, the process is roughly halfway complete. We see weaker Latam currencies in 1H09. Pressures on AXJ currencies will likely persist, as these countries’ exports collapse and their central banks cut interest rates. We believe that even the CNY will be allowed to weaken against the dollar in the coming months (see Changing My Call on the Chinese RMB, December 2, 2008). Finally, EE currencies may come under intense BoP pressures (see The RUB – Eastern Europe – EMU Nexus, November 13, 2008 and EM Currencies: Sell into the Rally, October 30, 2008). While the situation in Russia especially deserves investors’ full attention, the familiar structural fragilities of EE will expose the broad region to possible discrete changes in the RUB, in our view. When the global economy bottoms, we would be keen to buy back KRW, BRL and MXN. Our view on the commodity currencies (AUD, NZD, CAD) is broadly similar to that on the EM currencies.
Call 3. We remain bearish on the EUR in 1H. Though the EUR is no longer over-valued, it is still over-rated and over-owned, in our view. The sell-off from 1.60 to the high-1.20s merely puts EUR/USD closer to its fair value: EUR/USD was massively over-valued at 1.60. The EUR is no longer expensive, but it is not cheap, either. Further, the only reason why the dollar could have rallied so sharply since July was its hegemonic reserve currency status. The fragmentation of the European sovereign bond markets helps preserve the superior reserve currency status of the dollar, in our view. Finally, the negative feedback from possible fractures in EE could cause material damage to the EMU, and weigh on EUR.
Two Main Risks to our Dollar View
The two key risks to the dollar are inflation and an unsustainable federal debt profile. The Fed’s QE operations need an exit strategy. The latest talk of the Fed issuing its own debt may be one way the Fed could unwind its balance sheet in time to stabilise inflation expectations. The dollar’s performance will be driven by inflation expectations, in our view (see The Fed’s QE Operations and the Dollar, November 26, 2008). Similarly, the super-sized US fiscal deficits will be a risk for the dollar, though our central case view is that US Treasuries are more likely to be a preferred safe-haven asset in a global recession, marginalising other sovereign debt (see US Fiscal Deficits and the Dollar, December 4, 2008).
Bottom Line
We continue to manage our currency call centred on the ‘Dollar Smile’ and believe that the dollar should head higher in the 1H09, before giving back some of its gains in 2H, assuming that the global economy bottoms next summer. Our ‘Four Seasons’ currency concept may be a useful framework for thinking about the dollar.
http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/index.html#anchor7287
 
Wonder how much more we can take of all this crap? Our fore-fathers have to be turning in their graves. Hell, they'd probably be organizing a revolution by now.

We will take it because of several reasons.

1. The common citizen has figured out they can vote themselves money.

2. As long as the public, Congress, and the President allow deficit spending.

3. As long as there are countries out there that will buy our paper.
 
We will take it because of several reasons.

1. The common citizen has figured out they can vote themselves money.

2. As long as the public, Congress, and the President allow deficit spending.

3. As long as there are countries out there that will buy our paper.

The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

And that has occured with the bailouts. I can't remember if this was posted somewhere here or whether I read it somewhere else, but it is so true and another reason we will take it. Congress has toltally ignored all the polls showing that the majority of American people didn't want any of these bailouts. I think it's getting close to the blood letting that Thomas Jefferson spoke about in relationship to maintaining a Democracy.

CB
 
That is what angers me the most, the fact that the people spoke out against the TARP bailout and the elected officials that are suppose to represent the voice of the people said shut up we know what's best and I need the big campaign contributions and the board seat when I loose or retire from my gov. job.
 
USD/YEN fell below 90 again last night and is now trying to get back above it.

Markets are up because Ben is about use his magical scissors to cut the FFR by .50 or .75%, thus saving the world from the credit crunch.

In other news, the Baltic dry index has been on the rise.

Also, GS declared a dividend. Didn't they take TARP money?:rolleyes:
 
USD/YEN fell below 90 again last night and is now trying to get back above it.

Markets are up because Ben is about use his magical scissors to cut the FFR by .50 or .75%, thus saving the world from the credit crunch.

In other news, the Baltic dry index has been on the rise.

Also, GS declared a dividend. Didn't they take TARP money?:rolleyes:
Barely holding 90 now....

50 points - little to no movement
75 points - um......can you say 85 soon?
 
We are going to ZERO first. The FFR is now at .25%. That is less than Japan(.30%).

Bond yields are not confirming the rally.

Release Date: December 16, 2008
For immediate release

The Federal Open Market Committee decided today to establish a target range for the federal funds rate of 0 to 1/4 percent.

Since the Committee's last meeting, labor market conditions have deteriorated, and the available data indicate that consumer spending, business investment, and industrial production have declined. Financial markets remain quite strained and credit conditions tight. Overall, the outlook for economic activity has weakened further.
 
fyi,

Early life
Bernanke was born in Augusta, Georgia. His father Philip was a pharmacist and part-time theater manager, and his mother Edna was originally a schoolteacher. He is the eldest of three children, having a younger brother and sister. His younger brother, Seth, is currently a lawyer in Charlotte, North Carolina, and his younger sister, Sharon, is a prior student and longtime administrator at Berklee College of Music in Boston.
They were one of the few Jewish families in the area, attending a local synagogue called Ohav Shalom; as a child, Bernanke learned Hebrew from his maternal grandfather Harold Friedman, who was a professional Torah reader and Hebrew teacher.[3] His father and uncle co-owned and managed a drugstore that they bought from his paternal grandfather, Jonas Bernanke. Jonas was born in Boryslav, Jan 23, 1891, and immigrated to the United States from Przemyśl, Poland. He arrived at Ellis Island, age 30, Thursday, June 30, 1921, with his wife Pauline, age 25. On the ship's manifest, Jonas' occupation is listed as "clerk" and Pauline's as "doctor med."[4] [5][6][7] They moved to Dillon, South Carolina from New York in the 1940s.[8]

[edit] Education

Bernanke was educated at East Elementary, J. V. Martin Junior High, and Dillon High School, where he was class valedictorian. At age 11, Bernanke won the state spelling bee competition but finished 26th overall at the national competition in Washington, faltering on the word "edelweiss." Bernanke also taught himself calculus, edited the school newspaper, and achieved a near-perfect SAT score of 1590 out of 1600.[9] He was also an All-State saxophonist, playing in the school's marching band.[10]
During the summer, Bernanke attended Camp Ramah located in New England.
Bernanke spent his undergraduate years at Harvard University and graduated with a A.B. in economics in 1975. To support himself throughout college, he worked during the summers at South of the Border, a roadside attraction in his hometown of Dillon.[11] He received a PhD in economics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1979. His thesis was named "Long-term commitments, dynamic optimization, and the business cycle" and his thesis adviser was Stanley Fischer.[12]

[edit] Academic and government career

Bernanke taught at the Stanford Graduate School of Business from 1979 until 1985, was a visiting professor at New York University and went on to become a tenured professor at Princeton University in the Department of Economics. He chaired that department from 1996 until September 2002, when he went on public service leave. He resigned his position at Princeton July 1, 2005. Dr. Bernanke served as a member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 2002 to 2005. On February 1, 2006, he was appointed as a member of the Board for a fourteen-year term and to a four-year term as Chairman.[13]
In one of his first speeches entitled "Deflation: Making Sure It Doesn't Happen Here", he outlines what has been referred to as the Bernanke Doctrine. [14]
In view of his current position as fed chair, Bernanke also sits on the newly established Financial Stability Oversight Board that oversees the Troubled Assets Relief Program
Bernake's future as Federal Reserve chairman became uncertain on November 21, 2008 when it was announced that President-elect Barack Obama would name Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary over Larry Summers, leading to speculation that Obama was positioning Summers as Bernanke's successor. Summers was picked to run the National Economic Council. Two Obama advisers said that Summers would be the leading candidate to become the next Federal Reserve chairman should Mr. Obama choose not to reappoint Bernanke when his term ends Jan. 31, 2010. [15] [16]
 
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