2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[Intrepid_Timer]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Why haven't we been quarantined every year!!!!!!!

 

[SRS19]

The high rate of hospitalization that overwhelms hospitals. You see this every year with the flu? You see doctors and nurses dying from treating people with the flu?

I'll bite. What does one day matter versus a week, a month or a year? Why not look at how many died in the last hour? All I know is that as of now, around 7000 people in the US have died from coronavirus. In 2018, 80000 died of the flu. That's not a 1000 people a day on average, but I don't know that coronavirus will continue that trajectory. Do you?

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

The high rate of hospitalization that overwhelms hospitals. You see this every year with the flu? You see doctors and nurses dying from treating people with the flu?

People weren't as freaked out in years past by the media, so of course there is going to be a higher rate of hospitalizations. Before, people just fought through it, as I did. How many doctors and nurses have died? Do you think they are super human or something? Of course doctors and nurses have died in the past from treating others with viruses. Bacteria too..........

 

[bmneveu]

I'll bite. What does one day matter versus a week, a month or a year? Why not look at how many died in the last hour? All I know is that as of now, around 7000 people in the US have died from coronavirus. In 2018, 80000 died of the flu. That's not a 1000 people a day on average, but I don't know that coronavirus will continue that trajectory. Do you?

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

It's not remotely comparable to the flu. We are prepared for the flu every year. We were not prepared for this. We don't have enough ventilators and ICU beds. People will start dying faster when we run out of those.

1300 died and 32K were confirmed positive in the US yesterday WITH the economy shut down. That is an important distinction. This thing isn't going to slow down any time soon, even with these drastic measures.

 

[SRS19]

Folks dont get hospitalized because they're freaked out.

60 or so Italian health care workers have died from the
coronavirus in a month. I understand the flu kills but not at this rate.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Nice knowing you all.....

 

[James48843]

1,331 deaths in the USA yesterday, up 30% in one day.


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[k0nkuzh0n]

People weren't as freaked out in years past by the media, so of course there is going to be a higher rate of hospitalizations. Before, people just fought through it, as I did. How many doctors and nurses have died? Do you think they are super human or something? Of course doctors and nurses have died in the past from treating others with viruses. Bacteria too..........

People who need to be on ventilators literally can't breathe on their own. You can't fight through something like that.

Like I get that people a month ago doubted how bad things would get, and 'the flu is worse' claim was correct at the time. It has always been the potential, if unchecked, how far worse things would be. That potential was more clear to some than others. Here we are, whole world shut down, and things are still pretty bad. 1300 a day dying in the US. The measures to shut things down and social distancing has always been about flattening the curve, to buy time to set up additional hospital capability and to prevent hospitals... specifically ICUs, from getting overrun.

But now I don't get it. How can people say the Flu is still worse? How bad does it actually have to get for you to change that view? Does that point even exist for you?

 

[nnuut]

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

People who need to be on ventilators literally can't breathe on their own. You can't fight through something like that.

Like I get that people a month ago doubted how bad things would get, and 'the flu is worse' claim was correct at the time. It has always been the potential, if unchecked, how far worse things would be. That potential was more clear to some than others. Here we are, whole world shut down, and things are still pretty bad. 1300 a day dying in the US. The measures to shut things down and social distancing has always been about flattening the curve, to buy time to set up additional hospital capability and to prevent hospitals... specifically ICUs, from getting overrun.

But now I don't get it. How can people say the Flu is still worse? How bad does it actually have to get for you to change that view? Does that point even exist for you?

What is so important to you what I think? The main infection cycle of this virus is apparently two weeks, but how long does it take one who can't fight it to die from it? Of course deaths are going to go up after quarantines and social distancing because people were infected prior to that. If it doesn't start flattening out in the next week or two, then we probably have a problem. We didn't start social distancing where I live till about 2 weeks ago and Walmart didn't start till a couple days ago.

 

[James48843]

Never mind.

 

[bmneveu]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

We had a down day yesterday. Daily new cases and new deaths both dropped pretty significantly. I have a feeling it's because it was a Sunday (people stay at home and wait until Monday to see if they feel better, but that doesn't accounted for the reduced death count).

There's also a report from the Washing Post yesterday saying there's not enough postmortem testing being done, so the death count is not accurate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...d67982-747e-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

Either way, it would be nice if we continued the downward trend. I won't hold my breath until I see it happen a few days in a row though.

 

[weatherweenie]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

I'm guessing that drop in cases/deaths is what is propping the market up today. While it may have peaked in New York city, my understanding is that the wave is just moving toward the center of the country.

We had a down day yesterday. Daily new cases and new deaths both dropped pretty significantly. I have a feeling it's because it was a Sunday (people stay at home and wait until Monday to see if they feel better, but that doesn't accounted for the reduced death count).

There's also a report from the Washing Post yesterday saying there's not enough postmortem testing being done, so the death count is not accurate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...d67982-747e-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

Either way, it would be nice if we continued the downward trend. I won't hold my breath until I see it happen a few days in a row though.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

What is so important to you what I think? The main infection cycle of this virus is apparently two weeks, but how long does it take one who can't fight it to die from it? Of course deaths are going to go up after quarantines and social distancing because people were infected prior to that. If it doesn't start flattening out in the next week or two, then we probably have a problem. We didn't start social distancing where I live till about 2 weeks ago and Walmart didn't start till a couple days ago.

I'm actually genuinely curious of how other people think and interpret things differently than my own. Specifically the root of WHY or how they came to their conclusion.

Its been particularly interesting to see how quickly social media went from "The flu is worse" to "OMG look at these jerks outside, they should be charged for manslaughter!"

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I'm actually genuinely curious of how other people think and interpret things differently than my own. Specifically the root of WHY or how they came to their conclusion.

Its been particularly interesting to see how quickly social media went from "The flu is worse" to "OMG look at these jerks outside, they should be charged for manslaughter!"

Everyone is locked up and has the internet, so we have millions of doctors and scientists now. Why people say there is a shortage of doctors and nurses is beyond me. :cheesy:

 

[James48843]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

We had a down day yesterday. Daily new cases and new deaths both dropped pretty significantly. I have a feeling it's because it was a Sunday (people stay at home and wait until Monday to see if they feel better, but that doesn't accounted for the reduced death count).

The people in some hospitals that report numbers don't work on Saturday or Sunday.
Tuesday's numbers should be back up. Past Sundays have all been below the Saturday counts. The bounce back up on Mondays.

I had two friends that had deaths yesterday- One in New York died Saturday morning. He was on the phone 6 hours trying to find someplace to take the body. The best he could find was- they'll pick up the body on Wednesday, and cremate it, and send him an urn in about ten days. Funeral homes are that backed up in New York.

The other one- well, it was in Detroit. Turns out the first case in the extended family was in early February 6th, my friend came to town to attend the funeral around February 10th. SHE got sicker than a dog on February 16th, and so did a lot of other people that were at that funeral. They had ANOTHER funeral March 4, for somebody that was at the Feb 16 funeral. At that funeral, my friend was just getting better, and a number of the people attending THAT funeral also now have become sick. None of them went to the hospital- they don't have insurance coverage. My friend said she was sick as a dog until the 10th day, when she couldn't breath. She had to borrow somebody's CPAP machine in order to get enough air, and was on that for three days, and then slowly got better. Said she wa acually down a total of 16 days from first symptom till she recovered.

Detroit is a hotspot and is catching up towards New York. it's not good.

This thing is very, very bad.

 

[bmneveu]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

The people in some hospitals that report numbers don't work on Saturday or Sunday.
Tuesday's numbers should be back up. Past Sundays have all been below the Saturday counts. The bounce back up on Mondays.

Looks like we called that. New York has already reported more deaths today (599) than they did all of yesterday (594), and its only 1pm.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

[bmneveu]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Also, the market last Monday was up after a similar Sunday (death numbers dropped), then dropped for 2 days. We are up today, possibly because of the low numbers yesterday. If hospitals continue to report lower numbers this coming Sunday, we could see the same thing in the market next Monday. This presents a potentially profitable IFT scenario where we IFT in on Friday and out on Monday to catch that 1 day gain. Hmm...

 

[nasa1974]

Re: COVID-19; was 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Also, the market last Monday was up after a similar Sunday (death numbers dropped), then dropped for 2 days. We are up today, possibly because of the low numbers yesterday. If hospitals continue to report lower numbers this coming Sunday, we could see the same thing in the market next Monday. This presents a potentially profitable IFT scenario where we IFT in on Friday and out on Monday to catch that 1 day gain. Hmm...

If it is a pattern you only have one shot to be all in and then all out (2 IFT's) Pretty good roll of the dice.

 

[blueroadster]

I've actually been watching and noticed the same pattern for case reporting. I'm considering going short on the market later today as the odds seem to favor another turn south for turn-around-Tuesday.